New GOP talking point: Collusion is not a crime

[RedFred]

Went from there was no collusion to collusion is not a crime. They know what's coming. Lying traitors.


Trump Lawyer Rudy Giuliani Says Collusion With Russia Is Not a Crime


Rep. Issa: No Surprise if Trump Knew of Son’s Russia Meeting

[dyna mo]

things are getting even more weirder now.



i don't anticipate mueller will make any real moves until after the midterms, but the issue is The People v. Trump is playing out now in the court of public opinion.

trump even said don't believe what you see. Rudy is back on the news shows. team trump will be coming up with some really coocoo nutty shit now like cohen doctored the tapes. etc

[Rochard]

Collusion isn't a crime.

Conspiring with a foreign government to rig an election sure is.

[sarettah]

It has also changed from "He didn't know about the meeting" to "He didn't attend the meeting"

"This Russia meeting, I'm happy to tell them, he wasn't there," Giuliani said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trum...t-a-crime.html

“Even this Russia meeting -- I'm happy to tell [Robert Mueller] he wasn't there; he wasn't at the meeting,” Giuliani said while arguing that Mueller doesn't need to interview Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5afa96d43766

GIULIANI: I'm happy to tell Mueller that Trump wasn't at the Trump Tower meeting.

CNN: How do you know he wasn't there?

GIULIANI: Because Cohen is a liar and Don Jr. says he wasn't there.

CNN: Don't they have a self-interest in saying that?

GIULIANI: Well, so does Cohen. pic.twitter.com/jBZSl9I1qm

“He did not participate in any meeting about the Russia transaction ... the president did not,” Giuliani said. “And the other people at the meeting that [Cohen] claims he had without the president about it say he was never there.”

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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by sarettah

CNN: How do you know he wasn't there?
GIULIANI: Because Cohen is a liar and Don Jr. says he wasn't there.

This right here says it all.

How does Rudy know President Trump wasn't there? The only possible correct answer here is "President Trump told me he wasn't there". Not "Cohen is a liar" or "someone told me so".

Here is how this plays out....
- Democrats have huge wins in the mid terms
- Mueller begins to release his findings
- Move to impeach and then remove Trump

Somewhere along the line the housing market will collapse, and we'll be in the middle of a much worse recession we've ever had, American people will have no faith in their government, and the entire world will look at us and say "Stupid Americans".

The entire time Republicans will blame Democrats for all of this.

[bronco67]

The right is trying to soften the blow for something they KNOW is coming. That is all.

Once it comes out that Republicans have been (and still are) complicit in the Trump/Russia connection, their tenuous stranglehold on power will come to a shameful, crashing end. It must be tough to know that's all going to go away but being a traitor to your country is not an option they should be exercising.

[8pt-buck]

The Mueller campaign will stick to Russian collusion / the campaign and obstruction of justice.
Trumps other ordeals like giving payments to women will be given over to the district of New York.

What you tell your attorney is inviolable and now they say because of "Probable Cause" they can raid Cohen's office / his house and his hotel room.

They confiscated all Choen's computers and recordings / Gave all the evidence to a FBI agent for review of
"You tell us what can stick and what can't stick"

If this was Hilary Clinton and they raided her office, the ACLU would be crying on every radio and television show jumping up and down.

Keep in mind, Cohen figured his cooperation with authorities would be rewarded. How was Cohen rewarded - His entire life was raided by the FBI and torn apart. Cohen will not be rewarded by Mueller or the Southern district.

Mueller is a determined prosecutor. He has his sights on the President and and anyone close to the President. Mueller will say anything to get cooperation.
Mark my words. I think the end result will be far less cooperation on Cohen's part.

Here's how I think this will all be played out -

- The American people are tired of hearing of all the investigations that do not involve the President
- The Democrats gain little if any ground in the mid terms.
- The American people recall the accusations of Mueller trying to protect mass murderer Whitey Bulger and the circus that surrounded that
- Muller's findings wont be against the President. If anything, Don jr. and Kushner are indicted.
- President Trump is not touched. Paves the way towards his 2020 reelection.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by 8pt-buck

Here's how I think this will all be played out -

- The American people are tired of hearing of all the investigations that do not involve the President
- The Democrats gain little if any ground in the mid terms.
- The American people recall the accusations of Mueller trying to protect mass murderer Whitey Bulger and the circus that surrounded that
- Muller's findings wont be against the President. If anything, Don jr. and Kushner are indicted.
- President Trump is not touched. Paves the way towards his 2020 reelection.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by RedFred

When reading the elaborate scenario he pulled from his ass, it's obvious he's in the "testing" stage.

[8pt-buck]

Originally Posted by bronco67

When reading the elaborate scenario he pulled from his ass, it's obvious he's in the "testing" stage.

But Rochard's political view is not in the testing stage ? - Just my view because I disagree with your political agenda.

Makes sense.