US Debit now over $21 Trillion Dollars and going up over $100,000 every 4.5 seconds

[2MuchMark]

US Debit now over $21 Trillion Dollars and going up over $100,000 every 4.5 seconds

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

[OneHungLo]

Mark, I don't recall you complaining about the debt growing by trillions under Obama.

[onwebcam]

So Trump IS slowing down Obama's debt train?

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Mark, I don't recall you complaining about the debt growing by trillions under Obama.

That's because it was due to Bush's wars, his tax cuts, and bailing out the Bush economy. Obama did bring down the deficit.

Do you understand if it weren't for Republican tax cuts (going back to Reagan) and their un-needed wars we would be debt free?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Mark, I don't recall you complaining about the debt growing by trillions under Obama.

Canadians don't give a shit about Canada.


According to the Fraser Institute: "Justin Trudeau is the only prime minister in the last 120 years who has increased the federal per-person debt burden without a world war or recession to justify it."

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Mark, I don't recall you complaining about the debt growing by trillions under Obama.

Why did we go into debt under Obama?

Oh yeah, the Bush recession we had to buy ourselves out of.

[tony286]

The Santa Claus theory, its the GOP play book .When in power spend spend spend and when not in power cry about the debt.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why did we go into debt under Obama?

Oh yeah, the Bush recession we had to buy ourselves out of.

Wait, so the debt grew and grew and grew under Obama for eight years and then Trump inherits this debt, and now it’s all Trump’s fault?

Wrong... you lose ...again.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Mark, I don't recall you complaining about the debt growing by trillions under Obama.

Yeah! What an SOB that Obama was....

Fortunately Trump is here to fix it, right? I mean I'm sure that this is one of the reasons you voted for him, right?

Found this interesting video. Worth a few minutes to watch.

[Acepimp]

I remember when it was only $10T. Then after Obama it was $20T. Nice job, libs!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I remember when it was only $10T. Then after Obama it was $20T. Nice job, libs!

Are you going to let Trump make it worse?

[beerptrol]

it's not the tax cuts, it's those damn entitlement programs. They need to cut those and give more tax cuts to the rich


/sarcasm

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

it's not the tax cuts, it's those damn entitlement programs. They need to cut those and give more tax cuts to the rich


/sarcasm

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I remember when it was only $10T. Then after Obama it was $20T. Nice job, libs!

obama fucked it up...he had nothing to do with the debt but bailing out the banks was wrong...sure, you would have seen massive losses even worse than the debt, but you would not be in the situation you are in now...

obama just delayed the fucking...there was no scenario where you would not have payed for it

[crockett]

Thanks Trump, this is Robbie approved.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

obama fucked it up...he had nothing to do with the debt but bailing out the banks was wrong...sure, you would have seen massive losses even worse than the debt, but you would not be in the situation you are in now...

obama just delayed the fucking...there was no scenario where you would not have payed for it

You realize Bush bailed the banks out before Obana was president dont you?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by tony286

The Santa Claus theory, its the GOP play book .When in power spend spend spend and when not in power cry about the debt.

Didn't you just describe EXACTLY what Democrats are doing now? lol

Dude...it's the POLITICAL playbook. Not the GOP.
And I agree, the GOP is nothing more than a bunch of power hungry politician pieces of shit who spend like drunken sailors when they are in power...JUST like the Democrats.

Difference between us is I KNOW that ALL politicians are pretty much a bunch of crooks.

You seem to think that the Dems are "better" somehow??? WTF???

Talk about believing in Santa Claus lol

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Are you going to let Trump make it worse?

Guarantee you Hillary would have made it MUCH worse.
At least what Trump is doing is growing the economy. The Dems want to import the entire population of Central America to the United States and give them everything for free...while at the same time making Health Care paid for by the govt. AND "FREE" College for everyone too.

The debt would be 3 times what it is right now and the economy would still be flatlined.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by crockett

You realize Bush bailed the banks out before Obana was president dont you?

as far as I know obama signed it...whether bush had anything to do with it was irrelevant the bill was coming due and there was no scenario where the USA would not pay dearly for what happened...claiming obama had a choice to not pay and save money, like the red hats are claiming, is simply wrong...

[Rochard]

This is basic math. You cannot spend more while cutting your revenue. It just doesn't work. Any grade school kid can show you the math.

I wasn't happy when the deficit went up under Obama. However, I understood why. We needed to do something, anything, to make the recession better. We needed to help people. Now.... We just increased the deficit for NO REASON.

Of course the Republicans are blaming it on Social Security. Fuck this already. We paid into Social Security; It had better be there when I retire.

Right now I am taking a leadership class put on the by the local Chamber of Commerce. It's giving me an inside look at how our city operates. It's amazing really. More or less, every department has a "fund" or account - Some have multiple accounts. Fire and police, for example, come from the general fund which comes from our taxes. Other departments, such as our parks and recreation department, are self sustaining meaning they pay for themselves (They raked in $1.1 million last year - surprise!). If the parks and recreation department takes in more money than it spends in one year, it cannot give or loan that money to the fire department for a new fire truck. Why doesn't our federal government work in the same way?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Guarantee you Hillary would have made it MUCH worse.
At least what Trump is doing is growing the economy. The Dems want to import the entire population of Central America to the United States and give them everything for free...while at the same time making Health Care paid for by the govt. AND "FREE" College for everyone too.

The debt would be 3 times what it is right now and the economy would still be flatlined.

How would Hillary have made it worse with a Republican congress? You cant be that dumb... The president doesnt write the budget, the president just approves it. CONGRESS writes it, then Trump signed it..


Hillary would have been the best thing ever for our budget, because Republicans would have done just like tney did with Obama and did nothing... With Trump in Office they just opened the che k book and started swiping the credit card..


This is 100% Trump and Republicans in congress fault.. Yet you cant admit that because you just have to blame Hillary or Obama for something even when they arent in office.. Jesus you are ate up in tne head..

This deficet is perfect example why you never vote one party into control of everything.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

as far as I know obama signed it...whether bush had anything to do with it was irrelevant the bill was coming due and there was no scenario where the USA would not pay dearly for what happened...claiming obama had a choice to not pay and save money, like the red hats are claiming, is simply wrong...

I believe there were TWO bailouts.

Bush signed the first one in 2008.

I thought the whole thing was a giant ripoff of the American people.

The banks got "saved" and then STILL foreclosed on people's homes.

That trillion should have been spent by paying off people's mortgages. Then the banks would have been solvent (since the whole problem was the collapse of the housing market and the banks holding mortgages that were all underwater).

Instead that money just went "poof", up in smoke. And the actual people of this country suffered greatly as they lost their homes and jobs.

[directfiesta]

Robbie changed his tune ... has a new song ....

[BaldBastard]

Problem is not so much that Trump is increasing debt, its that he's spending it on fucking nothing except day to day running of the country and enriching the pockets of the 1%

World is out of recession, its a boom time, sensible countries increase infrastructure spending and bring debt under control.

The business tax cuts are not generating 30% of the income they needed too justify themselves. When is the American public going to wake up that you've been conned?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Problem is not so much that Trump is increasing debt, its that he's spending it on fucking nothing except day to day running of the country and enriching the pockets of the 1%

World is out of recession, its a boom time, sensible countries increase infrastructure spending and bring debt under control.

The business tax cuts are not generating 30% of the income they needed too justify themselves. When is the American public going to wake up that you've been conned?

Perfect post. Just perfect.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Robbie changed his tune ... has a new song ....

That's a funny meme....but I haven't changed my opinion on anything.

Still feel exactly the same about how things should work as I did when I voted for Obama in 2008 and Gary Johnson in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

Besides...this isn't about me or anybody else on a porn message board. None of us did this to our country.
Politicians in Washington D.C. have been growing the national debt for decades.

And try to STOP spending? IMPOSSIBLE.
In Washington D.C. if you don't raise the amount for the new year for each program by the amount that was talked about...it's called a "cut".
They actually spend MORE money and call it a cut.

But I'll repeat myself for you: At least Trump has made moves that are actually working for the economy.
Pres. Obama failed at that...remember his attempts to stimulate the economy: "This will create shovel ready jobs."
And then a year later: "I guess those jobs weren't as shovel ready as I thought...hah-hah"

So if temporary spending is needed to REALLY get the economy going, which it has, then so be it.

But the debt needs to be addressed. I've heard that all my life. And it never is really addressed by anyone.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Robbie changed his tune ... has a new song ....

Yes he supports both actions as long as it's a Republican... lol

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's a funny meme....but I haven't changed my opinion on anything.

Still feel exactly the same about how things should work as I did when I voted for Obama in 2008 and Gary Johnson in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

Besides...this isn't about me or anybody else on a porn message board. None of us did this to our country.
Politicians in Washington D.C. have been growing the national debt for decades.

And try to STOP spending? IMPOSSIBLE.
In Washington D.C. if you don't raise the amount for the new year for each program by the amount that was talked about...it's called a "cut".
They actually spend MORE money and call it a cut.

But I'll repeat myself for you: At least Trump has made moves that are actually working for the economy.
Pres. Obama failed at that...remember his attempts to stimulate the economy: "This will create shovel ready jobs."
And then a year later: "I guess those jobs weren't as shovel ready as I thought...hah-hah"

So if temporary spending is needed to REALLY get the economy going, which it has, then so be it.

But the debt needs to be addressed. I've heard that all my life. And it never is really addressed by anyone.

It's funny Robbie you claim you voted for Obama in 08 but you were crying about him almost instantly. Yet here we have Trump raising the deficit by trillions and you dont care at all...

Funny how the deficit and spending were what you claimed to hate under Obama even though the deficit was getting smaller with Obama.. Now Trump goes on a shopping spree with our tax dollars and suddenly it's no big deal..

I wish you would find some consistency in your thinking, because we can't take you seriously when you flip flop based on which party is in office..

I do find it odd that you right wingers love to idolize criminals..

[beerptrol]

Chump! The great bankruptor, tax evader, and fraud. The right love their cult leader!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is basic math. You cannot spend more while cutting your revenue. It just doesn't work. Any grade school kid can show you the math.

I wasn't happy when the deficit went up under Obama. However, I understood why. We needed to do something, anything, to make the recession better. We needed to help people. Now.... We just increased the deficit for NO REASON.

Of course the Republicans are blaming it on Social Security. Fuck this already. We paid into Social Security; It had better be there when I retire.

Right now I am taking a leadership class put on the by the local Chamber of Commerce. It's giving me an inside look at how our city operates. It's amazing really. More or less, every department has a "fund" or account - Some have multiple accounts. Fire and police, for example, come from the general fund which comes from our taxes. Other departments, such as our parks and recreation department, are self sustaining meaning they pay for themselves (They raked in $1.1 million last year - surprise!). If the parks and recreation department takes in more money than it spends in one year, it cannot give or loan that money to the fire department for a new fire truck. Why doesn't our federal government work in the same way?

Chamber of Commerce is a Right wing lobbying group. They aren't a independent group.

That's like taking a social economics class from Acorn.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I believe there were TWO bailouts.

Bush signed the first one in 2008.

I thought the whole thing was a giant ripoff of the American people.

The banks got "saved" and then STILL foreclosed on people's homes.

That trillion should have been spent by paying off people's mortgages. Then the banks would have been solvent (since the whole problem was the collapse of the housing market and the banks holding mortgages that were all underwater).

Instead that money just went "poof", up in smoke. And the actual people of this country suffered greatly as they lost their homes and jobs.

IMO the modality of the bail outs were not the main problem...the problem was they did not put like 1000 top bankers that took part in it in jail for like 20-30 years hard labor with no parole...they should still be in jail making cheap shit for wallmart...

but no...the bankers even paid themselves a bonus...this is literally unbelievable even though I know it happened I can not believe it

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That trillion should have been spent by paying off people's mortgages. Then the banks would have been solvent (since the whole problem was the collapse of the housing market and the banks holding mortgages that were all underwater).

Who was it that came up with the brilliant idea of mortgages for everyone? Whether they could pay them or not.

Hint. Hillary'y husband.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Chump! The great bankruptor, tax evader, and fraud. The right love their cult leader!

Especially the millions of people no longer on foodstamps because they have good jobs that they were told for 8 years were "not coming back".
They love him.

And all the people now making more money (GDP rate over 4%). Yep, we love him too.

Am I a member of a "cult" because the guy is doing what he told us he would do in the campaign?
I guess that might seem strange to some people who are used to politicians lying through their teeth about what they will do once in office.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Who was it that came up with the brilliant idea of mortgages for everyone? Whether they could pay them or not.

Hint. Hillary'y husband.

That's not really true.

Congress did that. Pres. Clinton signed it. But at the time it did look like a good idea. The economy was strong...and owning your own home is THE "American Dream".

Of course human nature being what it is...banks figured out ways to fuck it up. lol

They put people into homes they couldn't afford if anything were to go wrong. And of course when it DID go wrong...shit hit the fan.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's funny Robbie you claim you voted for Obama in 08 but you were crying about him almost instantly. Yet here we have Trump raising the deficit by trillions and you dont care at all...

Funny how the deficit and spending were what you claimed to hate under Obama even though the deficit was getting smaller with Obama.. Now Trump goes on a shopping spree with our tax dollars and suddenly it's no big deal..

I wish you would find some consistency in your thinking, because we can't take you seriously when you flip flop based on which party is in office..

I do find it odd that you right wingers love to idolize criminals..

This is what I will never understand. Raising he deficit is bad, period. We shouldn't do it at all. A balanced budget means the deficit goes down. I hated it under Obama, but I understood why it was needed. Now it's not needed at all. And what did Trump do? He increased spending on stuff we didn't need (why do we need to spend MORE on our military?) and then cut taxes for the rich. WTF? That is the direct opposite of what we need to do.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Am I a member of a "cult" because the guy is doing what he told us he would do in the campaign?

Like what?

That new wonderful health insurance at such a cheaper rate?

The wall that Mexico was going to pay for?

Hillary in jail?

Yes, you are without a doubt a member of a "cult", and a dangerous one at that.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Like what?

That new wonderful health insurance at such a cheaper rate?

The wall that Mexico was going to pay for?

Hillary in jail?

Yes, you are without a doubt a member of a "cult", and a dangerous one at that.

He meant the infrastructures...