My 2 Daughters Never Got the Flu Vaccine - Are we bad people?

[Smack dat]

So the schools each year offer the flu vaccine and each year we ignore it.
Should we be whipping ourselves with birch sticks?

[RyuLion]

Depends if they've been shot before..Last year?

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Depends if they've been shot before..Last year?

By guns?

The flu thing isn't an injection apparently it's something they put up the nose. Anyway they have never had it. 9 &4.

[HomerSimpson]

If they are healthy and don't have any respiratory problems (asthma or bronchitis) there shouldn't be a problems.

Flu vaccines are mostly used to help people prevent getting a flu... usually helps older people or ill people that have weaker immune system.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

If they are healthy and don't have any respiratory problems (asthma or bronchitis) there shouldn't be a problems.

Flu vaccines are mostly used to help people prevent getting a flu... usually helps older people or ill people that have weaker immune system.

That's exactly what I tell myself and other people but they look at me like I some evil fucker.

[EddyTheDog]

The problem with a lot of people is they don't know what 'real' flu is - It will put you out of action for weeks not days like a bad common cold that most people think is flu...

You should consider it, but don't whip yourselves - Unless you want to of course.....

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The problem with a lot of people is they don't know what 'real' flu is - It will put you out of action for weeks not days like a bad common cold that most people think is flu...

You should consider it, but don't whip yourselves - Unless you want to of course.....

Yeah, I am 44 and pretty sure I never got flu once in 44 years. Sure I often felt shit. I probably got a cold. I sometimes got a fever. Lasted a day maybe.
My kids have had a cold, maybe once they were too ill to go to school. For 1 day.

[freecartoonporn]

You are some evil fucker

[wehateporn]

The flu vaccine is backed up only by pseudoscience, it's making a lot of people sick and increasing the number of respiratory without communities.

There are many people avoiding it

[CaptainHowdy]

That is a vaccine for older or sicker people . . .

[bronco67]

Damn you are DESPERATE for attention. Seek professional help.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

That is a vaccine for older or sicker people . . .

To help kill them off

[wehateporn]

Most important of all, avoid the HPV vaccine in secondary school, it's highly dangerous, should be illegal but Big Pharma are above the law

[wehateporn]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cks-groin.html

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

To help kill them off

Who wants to live forever??

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Who wants to live forever??

The jabs are designed to give old people Alzheimers, getting them into homes and draining life savings

[CurrentlySober]

i cunt a4d2 get the flu vaccine...

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

i cunt a4d2 get the flu vaccine...

It's FREE!

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Damn you are DESPERATE for attention. Seek professional help.

Some people like to write facts, some like to write fantasy. I like to write bullshit. Grow up.

[dillfly2000]

I haven't been vaccinated in 20 years and I'm perfectly fi,548,5,69₧v89v╩-

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

If they are healthy and don't have any respiratory problems (asthma or bronchitis) there shouldn't be a problems.

Flu vaccines are mostly used to help people prevent getting a flu... usually helps older people or ill people that have weaker immune system.

not how it works.

Originally Posted by Smack dat

That's exactly what I tell myself and other people but they look at me like I some evil fucker.

Because that's not how it works.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The flu vaccine is backed up only by pseudoscience, it's making a lot of people sick and increasing the number of respiratory without communities.

There are many people avoiding it

You're an evil fucker.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

That is a vaccine for older or sicker people . . .

not how it works.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Most important of all, avoid the HPV vaccine in secondary school, it's highly dangerous, should be illegal but Big Pharma are above the law

Stop doing that shit.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Who wants to live forever??

[wehateporn]

There are many people who follow the church of big pharma, they think you are evil if you point out what is really going on

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

they think you are evil if you point out what is really going on

No, they know you're evil because you spread lies in the hopes the population will stop taking vaccines and start getting polio, smallpox, Diphtheria, Hepatitis B, pneumonia, measles, rubella, mumps, whooping cough, etc.

You're either really stupid, or evil, and stupid people shut up after a lot of smart people tell them they're wrong.

You want stupid people to catch preventable diseases and die a slow painful death. You are evil as FUCK!

[romeo22]

i dont get, nothing wrong with it

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

No, they know you're evil because you spread lies in the hopes the population will stop taking vaccines and start getting polio, smallpox, Diphtheria, Hepatitis B, pneumonia, measles, rubella, mumps, whooping cough, etc.

You're either really stupid, or evil, and stupid people shut up after a lot of smart people tell them they're wrong.

You want stupid people to catch preventable diseases and die a slow painful death. You are evil as FUCK!

We have an industry selling us dangerous products which cause lifelong issues far worse than any short-term mild childhood virus. It is the industry that is evil, the information I provide is the antidote.

I would recommend to learn to ignore adverts on tv, they are their to shepherd you, not to inform.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

There are many people who follow the church of big pharma, they think you are evil if you point out what is really going on

Maybe you should enrol in a high school-level science class? Seriously, no joke. You will learn alot and find it really interesting too. I know I was glued to all things science when I was in school.

They even taught science in my elementary school. I forget what grade I was in exactly, something like Grade 4 or 5, our science teacher brought out these things called "Natures Window". They were pitri dishes with some kind of clear goop in them. You would drop a single bean seed into it and over a few weeks watch it grow. We had to be sure they got just the right light, and it had some kind of colored strip in it that would show what gasses it gave off (it was in a dish don't forget). That was how I learned about Sun, Solar, CO2, the importances of plants, etc.

Seriously, go back to school.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

We have an industry selling us dangerous products

Wrong.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

which cause lifelong issues far worse than any short-term mild childhood virus.

which COULD cause. Details matter.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It is the industry that is evil, the information I provide is the antidote.

And if the industry is not evil, then the advice you provide is deadly. So stop doing it.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I would recommend to learn to ignore adverts on tv, they are their to shepherd you, not to inform.

Dude go outside and eat a piece of dogshit. You are not a scientist, you are not a chemist, or an engineer, or a doctor. You know absolutely zero about what you are talking about and you are going to help someone die.

Continue your bullshit about the flat earth and fake moon landings and UFO's if you want to continue sounding like a complete fucking idiot, don't become complacent to manslaughter.

[tobedeleted]

Got the flu shot a couple days ago. I've had the flu before so I know how much it sucks.

You can get the flu even after getting the shot, but in most cases it is greatly reduced.

If you haven't had the flu and one day you get it you'll know right away because your whole body is sore. Like everything hurts and you have zero energy, along with all of the other effects. And it lasts forever.. Depending on your immune system it can take a week or more to get rid of that crap.

[wehateporn]

The flu vaccine won’t stop the flu as they always guess the strain wrong, but we do know the jab increases the risk of miscarriage in pregnant women, we also know it increases the risk of other infections.

Flu is actually good for you as it decreases your risk of cancer, cancer is far worse than flu.

Originally Posted by sincats

Got the flu shot a couple days ago. I've had the flu before so I know how much it sucks.

You can get the flu even after getting the shot, but in most cases it is greatly reduced.

If you haven't had the flu and one day you get it you'll know right away because your whole body is sore. Like everything hurts and you have zero energy, along with all of the other effects. And it lasts forever.. Depending on your immune system it can take a week or more to get rid of that crap.

[wehateporn]

Two science degrees here from top universites, I can confirm that vaccines are a crude science, it is not even known how vaccines work, so they have little hope of understanding the harm. Assumption and blind faith combined with mass marketing and propaganda are what keeps the vaccine push going,

I can guarentee I know a lot more than your doctor about vaccines as it is my special interest, an obsessive fascination of mine. I read vaccine studies for fun in the same way as you read about Apple products. You seem to have a block in your mind towards this topic, and it appears that it is partly willful as I have provided extensive information on past occassions here.

The truth is painful, I know that, it devastated me for a while, but the only way to improve the situation is to find out about it, not going into denial, and then do your bit for society by spreading the info and writing to politicians.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Maybe you should enrol in a high school-level science class? Seriously, no joke. You will learn alot and find it really interesting too. I know I was glued to all things science when I was in school.

They even taught science in my elementary school. I forget what grade I was in exactly, something like Grade 4 or 5, our science teacher brought out these things called "Natures Window". They were pitri dishes with some kind of clear goop in them. You would drop a single bean seed into it and over a few weeks watch it grow. We had to be sure they got just the right light, and it had some kind of colored strip in it that would show what gasses it gave off (it was in a dish don't forget). That was how I learned about Sun, Solar, CO2, the importances of plants, etc.

Seriously, go back to school.




Wrong.



which COULD cause. Details matter.



And if the industry is not evil, then the advice you provide is deadly. So stop doing it.



Dude go outside and eat a piece of dogshit. You are not a scientist, you are not a chemist, or an engineer, or a doctor. You know absolutely zero about what you are talking about and you are going to help someone die.

Continue your bullshit about the flat earth and fake moon landings and UFO's if you want to continue sounding like a complete fucking idiot, don't become complacent to manslaughter.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by sincats

Got the flu shot a couple days ago. I've had the flu before so I know how much it sucks.

You can get the flu even after getting the shot, but in most cases it is greatly reduced.

If you haven't had the flu and one day you get it you'll know right away because your whole body is sore. Like everything hurts and you have zero energy, along with all of the other effects. And it lasts forever.. Depending on your immune system it can take a week or more to get rid of that crap.

So it doesn't last forever, it lasts for a week or so?.... Jeez

Will they die?

[2MuchMark]

Hopefully no one will die because you are so lazy, wehateporn.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hopefully no one will die because you are so lazy, wehateporn.

Been researchng in extensive detail since 2007, it is my life now everyday to be involved with this topic, so much that it limits the time I have for work.

You are making assumptions about me just as you do about vaccines, placing your trust in such a corrupt industry is not advisable.

If ever you want to start some reading on the topic ask me and I’ll give you the names of some good books.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

We have an industry selling us dangerous products which cause lifelong issues far worse than any short-term mild childhood virus. It is the industry that is evil, the information I provide is the antidote.

I would recommend to learn to ignore adverts on tv, they are their to shepherd you, not to inform.

Go take a 3rd grade history class you dumb son of a bitch. The flu of 1918 killed over 50 million people. Most scientists agree we are overdue for another highly lethal flu pandemic. You ought to be in jail for some of the shit you preach.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Been researchng in extensive detail since 2007

Please show your research and proof of validation.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

it is my life now everyday to be involved with this topic, so much that it limits the time I have for work.

Get back to work and stop wasting your time.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You are making assumptions about me

I am not assuming anything. I am asking you to stop spreading false information before someone dies.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

placing your trust in such a corrupt industry is not advisable.

Forgive me for placing my trust in real doctors, scientists, science and proven peer reviewed papers published in Scientific American and the New England Journal of Medicine results instead of some dangerous self-obsessed troll who peddles conspiracy theories on a forum who hides behind an alias.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Two science degrees here from top universities,

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Originally Posted by wehateporn

blah blah blah blah blah etc

Nothing else you say matter until you provide your 2 science degrees from your top Universities. And prove that its really you they were awarded to. Until then shut the fuck up.

[HairyChick]

Back in the late 70’s or early 80’s my mom got the flu shot. It might have been around the time of the swine flu. Anyway, within a few days she had the worst case of the flu. Three weeks sick and i remember her saying her whole body ached.

The doctor came over and asked why she took the flu shot. He explained that this strain of virus protection gave you the flu so your body could fight it if you got it again. But next time it could be another strain of the flu. Claimed that proper sleep, nutrition, and meds helps clear it from your system. The big drug companies convinced the media that the shot prevents the flu and everyone needs it.

I’ve never taken the flu shot. Germs cause colds and flu and killing them is hard to do. Too many strains of bacteria and I’d rather be ill and take known antibiotics than new vaccines or meds. The nursing home insisted I take a shot while in a coma. My legal guardian, mom, refused it and doctors had to write and agree with her. With all my illnesses and medical conditions, putting germs into me was crazy.

They charge $900 per shot. Seriously. Claim it’s not cheap and yadda yadda yadda. When I researched years later, the shot was $20 or less to produce. Pharmaceutical companies gave it to medical environments for free to protect the public. Tax deductions, too!

In a hundred years, all viruses, cancers and illnesses will be curable. No more telethons, fund raisers or donations needed. The Jerry Lewis telethons raised around $400 million dollars alone. Have there been any advances in muscular dystrophy research?

They announce breakthroughs in paralysis research. People get a device implanted and they can walk again. Woo hoo? Not for all. Insurance won’t cover the hundred grand needed for surgery then maintenance. People can’t afford to pay for it. Only the rich will be able to afford help.

I was recommended to take swimming physical therapy. The Hoyer lifts you into the pool and you can “walk” in the pool. Insurance says experimental so no. Organizations say no as it’s too new and expensive. $300 for a thirty-minute treatment. Mmmkkkk. So I suggested they rent the pool for an hour. Let me slide or fall into the water. I can swim well but have two aides ready to assist.

“Too risky for your health.” Huh? I’m thinking of the shallow end and moving muscles, not diving off the high board. I’d sign a waiver. “You must bring a doctor and nurse along.” Yeah, my neurologist has time to take off two hours during the weekday to play in the kiddie pool with me.

Big companies push their products but research into vaccines is scary. Swine flu, common influenza, and other vaccines have proved deadly. Ten years might seem like a long time to test a drug, but it depends on whom they test, what illnesses or syndromes or genetic markers they have.

You can’t isolate your kids but preventative measures can be taken. I’m against vaccines since childhood. A neighbor had a missing leg and a deformed leg. His mom took a vaccine in the 50’s that did this to thousands of women. Without googling, thalidomide? Thalidamed? Something like that and it caused deformity in newborns. The government was behind it and the lawsuits were squashed or thrown out. Some big scandal but the details aren’t coming back.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Go take a 3rd grade history class you dumb son of a bitch. The flu of 1918 killed over 50 million people. Most scientists agree we are overdue for another highly lethal flu pandemic. You ought to be in jail for some of the shit you preach.

They were taking loads of aspirin in 1918, otherwise they would have been fine

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1002132346.htm

[_Richard_]

heard flu vaccine doesn't work with the seasonal type over past 2 years.. so no.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Please show your research and proof of validation.

Vaxxed Vs Unvaxxed study

https://www.oatext.com/Pilot-compara...en.php#Article

"vaccination was associated with a 6.6-fold increased odds of NDD" (neurodevelopmental disorders)

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

They were taking loads of aspirin in 1918, otherwise they would have been fine

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1002132346.htm

OK - Did you read any of that? - If you managed to get that from that crap then you just lost any respect I had for you...

Seriously!....

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Please show your research and proof of validation.

Freedom of information release from CDC

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

[wehateporn]

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/1/e020232

"In Australia, a rise in hospitalisations among infants coded as anaphylaxis to foods coincided with the replacement of whole-cell pertussis (wP) vaccine with subunit acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine on the national immunisation schedule in the late 1990s"

...

"Food allergy is not only important in its own right, it is also associated with eczema and with asthma (fourfold increased risk) in later childhood"

[wehateporn]

The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 2.00; 95% confidence interval, 0.59 to 6.74). The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 1.63; 95% confidence interval, 1.05 to 2.54). The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...?dopt=Abstract

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

OK - Did you read any of that? - If you managed to get that from that crap then you just lost any respect I had for you...

Seriously!....

Yes, they didn't have a clue what they were doing with aspirin back then

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Abstract

The high case-fatality rate—especially among young adults—during the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic is incompletely understood. Although late deaths showed bacterial pneumonia, early deaths exhibited extremely “wet,” sometimes hemorrhagic lungs. The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death, because physicians of the day were unaware that the regimens (8.0–31.2 g per day) produce levels associated with hyperventilation and pulmonary edema in 33% and 3% of recipients, respectively. Recently, pulmonary edema was found at autopsy in 46% of 26 salicylate-intoxicated adults. Experimentally, salicylates increase lung fluid and protein levels and impair mucociliary clearance. In 1918, the US Surgeon General, the US Navy, and the Journal of the American Medical Association recommended use of aspirin just before the October death spike. If these recommendations were followed, and if pulmonary edema occurred in 3% of persons, a significant proportion of the deaths may be attributable to aspirin.

[wehateporn]

DTP found to be reducing life expectancy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5360569/

[wehateporn]

The more vaccines a developed nation gives the worse it's infant mortality rate

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?

[wehateporn]

Professor explains the effect of the aluminum in vaccines on humans

[wehateporn]

Polio vaccine in India found to be causing problems worse than polio

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873

"Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated. The authors suggest that the huge bill of US$ 8 billion spent on the programme, is a small sum to pay if the world learns to be wary of such vertical programmes in the future."

[wehateporn]

Study finds that those females who receive HPV vaccine have lower fertility

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=uteh20

[wehateporn]

Cochrane review "The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies. The content and conclusions of this review should be interpreted in the light of this finding."


https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr....pub4/abstract

[wehateporn]

"the trials show a reporting bias on the harms of the live attenuated influenza vaccine (the form of vaccine delivered nasally). “Influenza vaccines are about marketing and not science,” he says. “We have few trials, and masses of very poor quality observational evidence. We have presented evidence of considerable reporting bias, which governments continue to ignore. The science is missing and so making an informed decision is very difficult.”

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...-spray-vaccine