Tech Password Sharing and Piracy

[AmeliaG]

What tech do you use or recommend to combat password sharing and/or piracy, mass downloads, etc.

[Bladewire]

1) ProxyPass
2) Phantom Frog
3) SiteDefensor

I've used ProxyPass for years and love it. Their tech support is always quick to respond and get things done

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

1) ProxyPass
2) Phantom Frog
3) SiteDefensor

I've used ProxyPass for years and love it. Their tech support is always quick to respond and get things done

Would it work somehow for streaming VOD ?

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

1) ProxyPass
2) Phantom Frog
3) SiteDefensor

I've used ProxyPass for years and love it. Their tech support is always quick to respond and get things done

I liked the look of Frog some years back, but their pricing structure just didn't make sense for front ends. Have you used it to compare?

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by celandina

Would it work somehow for streaming VOD ?

If it's distributed via username and password, I think so. Also if piracy would be an extreme download speed.

[ZENRA]

We have a custom built solution. After using Strongbox for awhile and liking it, but not liking how their team went totally MIA, I had my developers create something that took elements of it while adding in things I feel it lacked.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I liked the look of Frog some years back, but their pricing structure just didn't make sense for front ends. Have you used it to compare?

I have only used the ProxyPass service from Proxigence it's $49.95 a month. Here's a link to their about page https://www.proxigence.com/pp-about.html

If I remember correctly the owner started in offering high end programming in adult and branched out to mainstream. They are very adult friendly though and customer service is great.

They are also Cavecreeks preferred technology partner and Cavecreek is partnered with CCBill.

[venus]

we have used password sentry for about 15 yrs
https://www.password-sentry.com/

it has a bandwidth limiter in it also

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What tech do you use or recommend to combat password sharing and/or piracy, mass downloads, etc.

[Konda]

We used to use Proxypass for years.

In our new CMS we built our own, so that users that login with a shared password can login and see the videos but once they click pay they are asked to pay.

On the streaming CDN we use normal hashes that are linked to the IP and have a time-out so that the videos links can't be shared.

[SBJ]

Ya, I used password sentry and proxy pass mostly and liked them both.

Long ago I used pennywise or something and strongbox too but I too didn't like the lack of support from time to time.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by SBJ

Ya, I used password sentry and proxy pass mostly and liked them both.

Long ago I used pennywise or something and strongbox too but I too didn't like the lack of support from time to time.

I wish Pennywize had survived. It was my favorite, had the best UX and most webmaster control.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I wish Pennywize had survived. It was my favorite, had the best UX and most webmaster control.

ya, it was the first one I used and was great for one site but I think it was priced on how many users you had or something so it didn't work when I opened more sites.

[gorillaz_]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I wish Pennywize had survived. It was my favorite,

nice name

is this the site Pennywize | Online fraud protection and member management system ?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

If it's distributed via username and password, I think so. Also if piracy would be an extreme download speed.

Thanks for the info.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by gorillaz_

nice name

is this the site Pennywize | Online fraud protection and member management system ?

It looks like the last major update was 2009, but that is newer than when I left them well over a decade ago. Hmmm...

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by Konda

In our new CMS we built our own, so that users that login with a shared password can login and see the videos but once they click pay they are asked to pay.

This is a good idea! Reminds me how some cracked games may start normally, but get excessively harder compared to actual purchased copies.

Question: do you find a significant number of these users who access your site(s) via shared passwords end up buying a subscription?

[247mg]

We are using Password Sentry from last 16 years and havent got any complaints.... support is good and setup is great with php7 support.

Password Sentry

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ZENRA

This is a good idea! Reminds me how some cracked games may start normally, but get excessively harder compared to actual purchased copies.

Question: do you find a significant number of these users who access your site(s) via shared passwords end up buying a subscription?

I agree it sounds awesome

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by ZENRA

This is a good idea! Reminds me how some cracked games may start normally, but get excessively harder compared to actual purchased copies.

Question: do you find a significant number of these users who access your site(s) via shared passwords end up buying a subscription?

It's not even about shared accounts.. Well, it is but here is a story that explains how bad shared passwords can be.

A decade ago I sold a paysite to the BF of the gf the solo site was made of. He had a $50 godaddy host he put it on and had no protection. A few mos later passwords were posted on a password sharing site and he found out about it cause he had a $300 server bill that month. Hundreds of people were downloading all his content cause he didn't protect it. He told me about it and I told him what I used to protect it.

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by SBJ

It's not even about shared accounts.. Well, it is but here is a story that explains how bad shared passwords can be.

A decade ago I sold a paysite to the BF of the gf the solo site was made of. He had a $50 godaddy host he put it on and had no protection. A few mos later passwords were posted on a password sharing site and he found out about it cause he had a $300 server bill that month. Hundreds of people were downloading all his content cause he didn't protect it. He told me about it and I told him what I used to protect it.

That person should have been checking his access logs.
Any paysite operator who isn't checking their user logins at least several times a day is shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to keeping their site secure. There are many good password protection services out there, but human eyes will always be needed.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by ZENRA

That person should have been checking his access logs.
Any paysite operator who isn't checking their user logins at least several times a day is shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to keeping their site secure. There are many good password protection services out there, but human eyes will always be needed.

The main differentiation point for Pennywize, as I recall, was that it showed you data granularly about logins and usage per user, without having to look through server logs.

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

The main differentiation point for Pennywize, as I recall, was that it showed you data granularly about logins and usage per user, without having to look through server logs.

I believe granular user data is a standard feature now in many back-end frameworks.
When I wrote looking at user logs, I meant your admin area user logs. Actually going through raw server logs on a regular basis would be a nightmare.

Related more to the subject of this thread: a cool feature I had created for our back-end is a Movie ID cross-checker. For example, if you suddenly see movies 383, 587, and 631 uploaded somewhere, you can input those titles into it and it will spit out the results of the usernames that accessed those movies. The more you input, the less usernames will be shown making it easier for you to figure out who the patient zero is.