Trump War On Climate Science Will Cost American Lives

[2MuchMark]

There is no way to sugar coat this. Because of the policies of the Trump maladministration, Americans will have more health issues and die sooner. What is truly amazing is the number of people who are perfectly okay with killing their friends and family members — and themselves — with fossil fuel pollution if it means they gain political power.

You think humanity is going to pull together to deal effectively with the effects of a warming planet? Not gonna happen. We would rather die than cooperate with “those people.” The other is scarier than extinction, which is why soon we will all be extinct along with most of the other species that currently populate the Earth.

According to the New York Times, the federal government is preparing to roll back exhaust emissions standards for passenger cars and light trucks this summer at the same time it pulls the plug on smokestack emissions from fossil fuel powered electrical generating plants.

That’s bad, but it’s not the worst of it. On orders from the White House, James Reilly, a former astronaut and petroleum geologist who now heads the US Geological Survey, has ordered that scientific assessments produced by his agency only use computer generated climate models that project the impact of climate change through 2040, rather than through the end of the century as had been done previously.

In an email to the New York Times, James Hewitt, a spokesman for the Environmental Protection Agency, defended the proposed changes. “The previous use of inaccurate modeling that focuses on worst-case emissions scenarios, that does not reflect real-world conditions, needs to be thoroughly re-examined and tested if such information is going to serve as the scientific foundation of nationwide decision-making now and in the future.”

Read the whole fucked-up thing at https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/02...c5PaufCDnugIMA

[2MuchMark]

The Huntington Canyon coal-fired power plant in Utah. The White House, already pursuing major rollbacks of greenhouse-gas emission restrictions, is amplifying its attack on fundamental climate-science conclusions.CreditCreditBrandon Thibodeaux for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — President Trump has rolled back environmental regulations, pulled the United States out of the Paris climate accord, brushed aside dire predictions about the effects of climate change, and turned the term “global warming” into a punch line rather than a prognosis.

Now, after two years spent unraveling the policies of his predecessors, Mr. Trump and his political appointees are launching a new assault.

In the next few months, the White House will complete the rollback of the most significant federal effort to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, initiated during the Obama administration. It will expand its efforts to impose Mr. Trump’s hard-line views on other nations, building on his retreat from the Paris accord and his recent refusal to sign a communiqué to protect the rapidly melting Arctic region unless it was stripped of any references to climate change.

And, in what could be Mr. Trump’s most consequential action yet, his administration will seek to undermine the very science on which climate change policy rests.

Read more about what a dumbass Trump is at https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/u... ype=Homepage

[TheSquealer]

Maybe one day Canada will learn how to make it's own car,... or mobile phone or computer.

I'm still hopeful

[TheSquealer]

you guys love to use "science" and "settled science" yet when someone asks a fundamental question like "ok scientist, what is the exact contribution of man to global warming expressed as a percent...?".... suddenly its neither science, nor settled and there's no answer.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

you guys love to use "science" and "settled science" yet when someone asks a fundamental question like "ok scientist, what is the exact contribution of man to global warming expressed as a percent...?".... suddenly its neither science, nor settled and there's no answer.

That is true

[Major (Tom)]

Cortez recently walked back her “we have 12 years left” claim. She claimed it was hyperbole.

[NoWhErE]

For the sake of argument, say that all the climate science is a big scam... what have you guys got against cutting emissions and global pollution? What harm could it do? Why go against regulating the amount of pollution we produce?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

you guys love to use "science" and "settled science" yet when someone asks a fundamental question like "ok scientist, what is the exact contribution of man to global warming expressed as a percent...?".... suddenly its neither science, nor settled and there's no answer.

poisoned places USA map...but hey science does not know the exact % so it somehow makes it all a non argument...trump brain logic apparently...




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[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

For the sake of argument, say that all the climate science is a big scam... what have you guys got against cutting emissions and global pollution? What harm could it do? Why go against regulating the amount of pollution we produce?

If you can find the guy who said he was against cutting pollution, ask him.

Try asking in China and India first and get some answers from the worlds leading polluters and getting worse by the second.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

If you can find the guy who said he was against cutting pollution, ask him.

Try asking in China and India first and get some answers from the worlds leading polluters and getting worse by the second.

This topic is about the US backing out of pollution control agreements, not China or India. So I am asking you (the americans), why you are against cutting pollution?

[Acepimp]

Mark, Your leader in Canada is a major player in the oil pipeline business.

Why don't you worry about any of that??

[BaldBastard]

Ex Australian Prime Minster and right-winger Tony Abbot was a climate change denier.

He just got thrown out of Australian politics for holding those views.

you have a vote use it...

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

This topic is about the US backing out of pollution control agreements, not China or India. So I am asking you (the americans), why you are against cutting pollution?

You can't prove anyone is not "against pollution".

Renegotiating or pulling out of unfair, one sided and often economically crippling agreements to which most parties do not adhere to and where the US does, and does so at a direct economic cost, is not the same as "not caring".

And i'm not "Americans".

[TheSquealer]

Imagine the world you guys could create for yourselves if you actually devoted your time to something beyond hating your betters. Canada barely even produces anything beyond what they catch in the ocean, dig out of mines or cut down in the forests. Maybe work on that for a while.

When your economy finally grows beyond that of Texas, you might actually be considered to one day be invited to the table to have your opinions listened to.

[crockett]

Republicans are already killing people by fighting to keep them from getting healthcare.. I wonder when it becomes ok to start killing them and saying it's in self defense? You can shoot someone because they point a gun at you and that's self defense, but you can't shoot someone who is poising your drinking water or price gouges the medication that will save your life nor the politicians who refuse to stop it from happening?


Those who think we have no lasting effect on our environment.. You can go to say Massachusetts which was one of the biggest places for the fabric industry for years. Many of these factories would build right on the rivers and use the river water to dye the fabrics then dump all the dye into the rivers..

You can go to streams around Springfield, Woster and all those areas and all the rocks are black.. If you pick up that rock it will be clean on the bottom side..The black is dye that stained the rocks and is still there 40-50 years later after the EPA stopped them from dumping in the rivers..

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

Those who think we have no lasting effect on our environment.

No one has said that. But keep making up fake arguments and long winded responses to arguments which don't exist. Its amusing to watch you collapse in on yourself emotionally like a dying star. Took a few more years than I thought it would, but you started down this path many years ago.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Maybe one day Canada will learn how to make it's own car

Fuck you're stupid and lazy. Canada Builds Cars:
https://driving.ca/chevrolet/auto-ne...so-far-in-2018

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

or mobile phone

We don't make any and neither do you.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

or computer

Canada doesn't just built computers, we build Quantum Computers.
https://www.dwavesys.com/home
https://hackernoon.com/why-canada-wi...ce-ba705bfecab

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I'm still hopeful

I'm hoping you'll go back to school.

[TheSquealer]

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

For the sake of argument, say that all the climate science is a big scam... what have you guys got against cutting emissions and global pollution? What harm could it do? Why go against regulating the amount of pollution we produce?

It would create more jobs... People to inspect plants, ensure they are meeting the legal requirements....

I toured a local saw mill plant here two months ago and it was amazing. They have their own power plant on location, and it's stunning the lengths they go to protecting the environment.

[2MuchMark]

[QUOTE=TheSquealer;22479524Try asking in China and India first and get some answers from the worlds leading polluters and getting worse by the second.[/QUOTE]

Fuck you're stupid & lazy. Who cares what China is doing? If they pollute, why should you? Why let Trump give a green like to oil companies so they (and he I'm sure) get rich while you choke?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

you guys love to use "science" and "settled science" yet when someone asks a fundamental question like "ok scientist, what is the exact contribution of man to global warming expressed as a percent...?".... suddenly its neither science, nor settled and there's no answer.

Fuck you're stupid and lazy.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warmin...to-gw-faq.html

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Mark, Your leader in Canada is a major player in the oil pipeline business.

Why don't you worry about any of that??

True me, I'm on it.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Canada barely even produces anything beyond what they catch in the ocean, dig out of mines or cut down in the forests. Maybe work on that for a while.

FUCK you're stupid & lazy.
Canada's Top 10 Exports
https://canadianexports.org

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

When your economy finally grows beyond that of Texas, you might actually be considered to one day be invited to the table to have your opinions listened to.

Fuck you're stupid and lazy. https://www.conferenceboard.ca/topic...adian/can-otlk

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

But keep making up fake arguments

Nothing fake about Nasa, stupid.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

and long winded responses

Only someone as lazy as you are would call backed-up facts and details that answer complex questions, long-winded. If you can't be bothered to try to understand the answer to a question, don't pretend like you know the answer is wrong.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Its amusing to watch you collapse in on yourself

It's not amusing to watch someone like you pat themselves on the back for being a fucking obvious idiot and then pat themselves on the back for it again and again. Trust me, it actually hurts. But hey, if you want to keep doing it, pretty soon all the smart people in the room will just walk out and leave you to yourself. If that's what you want just say so and we'll stop trying to help you.

[kane]

All you need to know about Trump and his policies on the environment can be learned by looking at the list of executive orders he has signed that have helped make polluting by companies worse and when he said he believes Climate Change is a hoax made up by the Chinese.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

you guys love to use "science" and "settled science" yet when someone asks a fundamental question like "ok scientist, what is the exact contribution of man to global warming expressed as a percent...?".... suddenly its neither science, nor settled and there's no answer.

I'll answer this so you can get a comprehensive answer.

The Earth is shaped due to billions of years of evolution. No part of that process is designed for a world with over population, over production, combustion engines, fossil fuels and the continual destruction of the natural habitat to accommodate more people.

The Earth isn't designed for 7 billion people.

The Earth isn't designed for large corporations to destroy the natural world in the pursuit of profits.

The Earth isn't designed for fossil fuels to be burned.

Is the Earth warming as a natural thing that happens? Yes

Are the activities of Man making it worse? Yes.

Whenever the Earth warmed or froze before now there were far fewer people and news only came from Europe. If millions died in the third world, few knew and no one cared. The next hot spell will see millions starve to death as crops fail and livestock can't find grazing land.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...humans-causing

https://skepticalscience.com/empiric...al-warming.htm

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis...-due-to-humans

There's a ton of evidence that tell you why Humans are contributing to Global Warming.

Can we stop it? Not without measures that few will implement or like. So do we ignore the dangers and carry on as we are?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Who cares what China is doing? If they pollute, why should you? Why let Trump give a green like to oil companies so they (and he I'm sure) get rich while you choke?

The Earth cares.

The solution to other countries not keeping to climate control legislation is to stop buying from them. The problem is the consumers in America and Europe would rebel if they had to pay more for their goods. So it won't happen and nothing will change.

Is Trump right in walking away from talks that only apply to the 1st World?

Does he believe Global Warming is Man made. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13....AOjlOqL 4NL0

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Earth cares.

Of course it does but that wasn't my point. Lazy people like Squealer are happy to sit on their hands and do nothing while saying "Yeah but other countries won't go anything so why should I?". That kind of arguments is just ridiculous.

Anyway Squealer, here's the last thing I will say on the subject. If you don't want to do anything, then don't. If it's too hard for you, it's too hard for you. Your habits and way of thinking may cost you more in the long run though.

[huey]

Question for the climate experts here. Ice ages are a natural cyclical ocurance every 100 thousand years. If we where naturaly going back into an ice age do we just let it happen or try to circumvent it?

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Lazy people like Squealer are happy to sit on their hands and do nothing while saying "Yeah but other countries won't go anything so why should I?". That kind of arguments is just ridiculous.

Hi Mark! I can disprove your statement with one meme:



HEMP FUEL now legal with Trump's 2018 Farm Bill

Newly legalized hemp industry set to create a jobs boom in the US

Thanks Trump!

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Anyway Squealer, here's the last thing I will say on the subject. If you don't want to do anything, then don't. If it's too hard for you, it's too hard for you. Your habits and way of thinking may cost you more in the long run though.

My doing something or not doing something is not going to impact what China, India and developing nations are doing in the slightest. The worlds leading polluters and the fact that they are still developing nations and they total sum of the harm they do to the environment, won't be offset by me choosing paper over plastic at the super market.

I don't have a problem with accepting that simple fact. All you are talking about is feelings.

What you are "doing" is so that you can feel better about yourself, virtue signal to your peers and help maintain your own delusional belief that you are morally superior to others. You aren't making a difference at all. You just want to keep telling yourself that you are.... and that is for YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT.

If you could show me that I could make any sort of difference to offset the pollution coupled with the population explosion in the nations which were the worlds worst offenders, i'd be happy to make real changes. But if you're petty arguments are rooted in nothing more than personal attacks and personal feelings and have nothing at all to do with reality, i'm not interested.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by huey

Question for the climate experts here. Ice ages are a natural cyclical ocurance every 100 thousand years. If we where naturaly going back into an ice age do we just let it happen or try to circumvent it?

I'm not expert, but if you work on the 100,000 year theory, then we were due for an ice age starting around 6000 years ago, the theory is that fall's in to the time humans started farming and clearing mass amounts of land by burning it.

Which if true is good, because that's how we're all still here, but its also extremely alarming because we've take pollution to unprecedented levels in the past 100 years.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

My doing something or not doing something is not going to impact what China, India and developing nations are doing in the slightest. The worlds leading polluters and the fact that they are still developing nations and they total sum of the harm they do to the environment, won't be offset by me choosing paper over plastic at the super market.

Yes of course it will. Consumers like you and me can effect change. Voters like you and me can effect change. How do you not see that?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I don't have a problem with accepting that simple fact. All you are talking about is feelings.

No. I'm talking about economics. I'm talking about pollution, wasted energy, stupidity, and the incredible laziness of some individuals like you who are happily spoon-fed lies by companies like Exxon and "politicians" like Trump.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

What you are "doing" is so that you can feel better about yourself, virtue signal to your peers and help maintain your own delusional belief that you are morally superior to others.

Wrong. What I am doing is making a personal choice about what I drive, and what I eat. I don't like to buy gasoline because it's expensive, it pollutes, it feeds terrorist countries, and the companies that make it are irresponsible in all parts of its refinement. Electric cars are faster than gasoline cars in the same class and require less maintenance too. (5 years in, not a single brake job!). I bring my own bags to the grocery store, and buy local as much as possible.

1 Person alone would make no difference. But many people changing their habbits can make a big difference. You don't want to change which is bad enough, but you think that changing won't make a difference, and that's worse.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You aren't making a difference at all.You just want to keep telling yourself that you are.... and that is for YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT.

It's for both my personal benefit (I save money) AND its for your benefit too. The world has something like 7 billion people on the planet, and we are consuming resources faster than the earth can support because too many things such as gasoline-powered cars are inefficient modes of transportation for alot of people compared to other methods. How do you not understand that?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

If you could show me that I could make any sort of difference to offset the pollution coupled with the population explosion in the nations which were the worlds worst offenders, i'd be happy to make real changes. But if you're petty arguments are rooted in nothing more than personal attacks and personal feelings and have nothing at all to do with reality, i'm not interested.

Exactly! You are not interested.

Information about what you can do to help has been available for a long time already. If you're not going to do anything to help that's your problem, but if you attempt to justify your position, you'd better make sure you've got all the facts or you will be laughed at.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Of course it does but that wasn't my point. Lazy people like Squealer are happy to sit on their hands and do nothing while saying "Yeah but other countries won't go anything so why should I?". That kind of arguments is just ridiculous.

Anyway Squealer, here's the last thing I will say on the subject. If you don't want to do anything, then don't. If it's too hard for you, it's too hard for you. Your habits and way of thinking may cost you more in the long run though.

If the West sticks to climate controls it will give the 3rd world a massive advantage and they will ramp up production. The consumer is more interested in buying cheap goods than saving Western economies and the Earth. China and the 3rd world would wake up immediately to the threat of climate change if consumers stopped buying their products for a while. Where they can. But we love the disposable products we gouge ourselves with. So the climate and jobs suffer.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

My doing something or not doing something is not going to impact what China, India and developing nations are doing in the slightest. The worlds leading polluters and the fact that they are still developing nations and they total sum of the harm they do to the environment, won't be offset by me choosing paper over plastic at the super market.

I don't have a problem with accepting that simple fact. All you are talking about is feelings.

What you are "doing" is so that you can feel better about yourself, virtue signal to your peers and help maintain your own delusional belief that you are morally superior to others. You aren't making a difference at all. You just want to keep telling yourself that you are.... and that is for YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT.

If you could show me that I could make any sort of difference to offset the pollution coupled with the population explosion in the nations which were the worlds worst offenders, i'd be happy to make real changes. But if you're petty arguments are rooted in nothing more than personal attacks and personal feelings and have nothing at all to do with reality, i'm not interested.

You're right on this. Unless all countries join in to save the planet we are fucked. Just the West applying rules will allow those who don't care to up production.

A simple solution is for consumers to stop buying the products that drive pollution. Will that happen? When pigs fly.

This is the same as the argument of large corporation dodging corporation tax, stop buying from Amazon, using Google sites, etc and they will rush to pay their taxes. Once again waiting to see those pigs flying over my house.

[wehateporn]