One mile of "The Wall" built over Memorial Day weekend..

[NALEM]

As much as I don't believe that an expensive wall is the solution to deterring illegal entry into the United States, if this story is true, then congratulations to those responsible for getting it done.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bannon-built-the-wall-over-the-weekend-140449962.html

[crockett]

So this is all that guy did with his Red Hat money and it's not even on the boarder... How many millions did he collect?

[Rochard]

So... They spent twenty million dollars to build a one mile wall that.... Anyone could physically walk around. Utterly brilliant.

I have no problems with building a wall. If Trump came out and said "The United States Border Patrol has identified fourteen high traffic areas where walls and enhanced security measures would help" and then rolled this into a package that gave better gear, more perks, and higher salary to Border Patrol agents..... everyone would be for this. Instead Trump says "We are going to build a wall" which translates into "We are going to waste hundreds of billions of dollars on a wall that people will go under, over, through, or around and not put in effort into helping the Border Patrol do it's job".

We need to get more Border Patrol agents and pay them more - it's a crappy job requiring them to work and live in shitty locations - and then make sure they are properly equipped. Then we need to solve the immigration problem.... If someone comes into the United States illegally, they go to prison. Period. The first time they are caught it's one year in prison - second time it's two years, third time it's four years, and it doubles every time after that. Then we need to fix the asylum laws - if someone wants to claim asylum it needs to be done at a US Embassy outside of the country....

These are simple solutions. But the problem is the Trump administration is unable to come up with a plan because they are completely incompetent. Trump put Kushner on the problem, and he spent two years working on the plan and it was actually laughed at by both Democrats and Republicans.

[CaptainHowdy]

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https://gfy.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=26

[crockett]

They did it everyone.... lol now just need 1,933 more miles....

[TheSquealer]

Chiming in are all the same idiots who said it was a scam, the money was stolen, will be refunded etc etc etc. Now you are mocking the fact that everything was done exactly as promised and that everyone got exactly what they paid for... and that people came together for something they believed in, raised money and got it done.

[bronco67]

Wow, only another couple thousand miles to go. But great symbolic victory by the knuckledragging racists who love the idea of this giant medieval wall to fit their giant medieval mentalities.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Chiming in are all the same idiots who said it was a scam, the money was stolen, will be refunded etc etc etc. Now you are mocking the fact that everything was done exactly as promised and that everyone got exactly what they paid for... and that people came together for something they believed in, raised money and got it done.

20 million for 1 mile.. well done chump...


Imagine all the jobs they could have created with that 20 million... but no 1 mile of wall not even on the boarder makes much more sense.. to a Red Hat..

Because libs baaaaaad.. You Red Hats are the stupidest fucks I've ever seen in my entire life .

[bronco67]

Wait a minute....they built a mile of wall over the memorial day weekend? It says hundreds of people worked on it. Who the fuck is going to spend memorial day weekend building a stupid 0.01% of a border wall and how could they find hundreds of people to do it for the small amount of money they raised? And what kind of structural integrity do you think a wall cheaply and quickly built over the memorial day weekend will have? This story is a pile of bullshit. Don't get so excited you Trump dicksuckers...let's see them do this two thousand more times.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Wait a minute....they built a mile of wall over the memorial day weekend? It says hundreds of people worked on it. Who the fuck is going to spend memorial day weekend building a stupid 0.01% of a border wall and how could they find hundreds of people to do it for the small amount of money they raised? And what kind of structural integrity do you think a wall cheaply and quickly built overt the memorial day weekend will have? This story is a pile of bullshit. Don't get so excited you Trump dicksuckers...let's see them do this two thousand more times.

It's not even on the boarder..

They just built some dude a privacy wall...

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's not even on the boarder..

They just built some dude a privacy wall...

I think we're going to find that all of this was just a way funnel millions of dollars into Fisher. Palms have been greased nd funds have been directed. Just know this as truth...Trump doesn't give a shit about a wall. Not one single shit. But he knows his mongoloid followers do. And that translates into money raised and crooks getting rich, including Trump himself. It's the way he operates.

It wasn't 20 million to build this piece of crap. That's how much the GoFundMe raised. Where did the other 14 million go? Someone should ask Steve Bannon that. And after asking him maybe they could do the world a favor and put a few 22 caliber rounds behind his ear.

[BaldBastard]

Like I said in other threads.. some farmer is going to get a cattle fence.

Must be thousands of pictures out there since 100 people were involved, anyone got anything more than stock photos??

And BTW from the article linked..

"Bannon, who for much of the weekend was in Kazakhstan for a geopolitical seminar"

… YEAH FUCKING RIGHT

And.. Fox News weren't invited?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/we-build-...n-border-texas

"We'll keep on building as long as people keep chipping in. The average contribution has been only $67 but so many people have chipped in," he said.

20 million brought you one mile of a 2000 mile long border, I guess there's a lot more Chipping needed... Enjoy the circus clucks.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

20 million for 1 mile.. well done chump...


Imagine all the jobs they could have created with that 20 million... but no 1 mile of wall not even on the boarder makes much more sense.. to a Red Hat..

Because libs baaaaaad.. You Red Hats are the stupidest fucks I've ever seen in my entire life .

It's like you've turned being bitter, hateful and retarded into a point of pride...

"his group asked local authorities what is the most dangerous part of the border with Mexico, and they were pointed to this precarious mountain strip, “where the cartels and asylum seekers are coming in” through a gap between two 21-mile strips of completed wall. The group hastily “purchased the rights” to the land and went at it Friday evening. "

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[Paul Markham]

The Wall will only stop those now walking across the border. Any suggestion that it will solve the entire illegal immigration in the US is bullshit.

The cost is something anyone can work out on a scrap of paper. Take all the illegal immigrants in prison, on some sort of welfare or government money, all those in a job, all those who are criminals, gangs and occupying the police, all those who heed housing. Then total it up and come to a figure. Is it $100 Billion or $200 billion per year. Even if you take the figures of the liberals illegal immigration which are very wrong missing out on so many negatives they pitch it at $54 billion per year.

Here's some numbers. DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens. and U.S. Spend $80 Billion a Year on Incarceration? By deterring 5% a year The Wall pays for itself in a year.

Unemployment benefits cost: $520 billion. Getting 1% of Americans into jobs currently done by illegal immigrants The Wall pays for itself in a year.

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#16e9ea8212c4[/URL]. Total Health care costs for illegal immigrants.

The real problem is this is a policy arrived at by someone who looks at the real bottom line not uses fuzzy numbers to prove their point. But even the most fuzzy of those numbers say illegal immigration costs $54 billion per year. The wall is a one off $5 billion. A wall is harder to climb than a fence and the percentage it needs to stop is nothing compared with what illegal immigration costs.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Wall will only stop those now walking across the border. Any suggestion that it will solve the entire illegal immigration in the US is bullshit.

The cost is something anyone can work out on a scrap of paper. Take all the illegal immigrants in prison, on some sort of welfare or government money, all those in a job, all those who are criminals, gangs and occupying the police, all those who heed housing. Then total it up and come to a figure. Is it $100 Billion or $200 billion per year. Even if you take the figures of the liberals illegal immigration which are very wrong missing out on so many negatives they pitch it at $54 billion per year.

Here's some numbers. DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens. and U.S. Spend $80 Billion a Year on Incarceration? By deterring 5% a year The Wall pays for itself in a year.

Unemployment benefits cost: $520 billion. Getting 1% of Americans into jobs currently done by illegal immigrants The Wall pays for itself in a year.

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#16e9ea8212c4[/URL]. Total Health care costs for illegal immigrants.

The real problem is this is a policy arrived at by someone who looks at the real bottom line not uses fuzzy numbers to prove their point. But even the most fuzzy of those numbers say illegal immigration costs $54 billion per year. The wall is a one off $5 billion. A wall is harder to climb than a fence and the percentage it needs to stop is nothing compared with what illegal immigration costs.

You forgot to counterbalance those figures by all the money saved by American businesses for the cheap labor their getting. And who is going to do the jobs done by an immigrant (illegal or otherwise) who just wants to use any skill he can provide to support his family?

Can you imagine immigrant type employees making the money they should be making? You can get some white people out in the fields for 50 bucks and hour. How much more is that than the average Mexican or Guatalmalan is making?

[beerptrol]

I wonder how much of that money went into off shore account(s)

[BaldBastard]

BTW... they haven't built a mile of wall.. they started building their mile of wall

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

You forgot to counterbalance those figures by all the money saved by American businesses for the cheap labor their getting. And who is going to do the jobs done by an immigrant (illegal or otherwise) who just wants to use any skill he can provide to support his family?

Can you imagine immigrant type employees making the money they should be making? You can get some white people out in the fields for 50 bucks and hour. How much more is that than the average Mexican or Guatalmalan is making?

I'm only talking about illegal immigrants. All the times I've flown into NY I amazed at all the immigrants doing hard jobs driving taxis. Something Americans can no longer do.

If you're happy to pay for cheap goods to see fellow Americans on the dole, then fine. Always said America is a ME type society instead of an us type society. But don't be fooled and think you're getting something cheap by immigrants doing jobs Americans can do. Add the costs I highlighted to your taxes and US debt that'sthe real cost.

Fruit and veg picking can be done by legal immigrants allowed in on their own and the employer makes sure they picks up all the medical, housing costs, makes sure they return, etc. Or automate the systems. How do you think they solve the problem in Australia?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Wall will only stop those now walking across the border.

No, it won't. All they need to do is walk half a mile in either direction and just walk around it. It's twenty million dollars gone and all it does is delay people thirty minutes, if that.

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[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, it won't. All they need to do is walk half a mile in either direction and just walk around it. It's twenty million dollars gone and all it does is delay people thirty minutes, if that.

Of course I meant the entire project and later on in the post I quoted the $5 billion.

Now make a case where The Wall can't save more than it cost. A one off $5 billion against the cost of welfare, policing, prisons, health care, etc. Don't say more guards unless you've found people to do the job or plan to pay them enough so they have sufficient numbers.

And don't say more restrictions on hiring ICE officers until a Democrat Government enforces the laws you have. Instead of liberal campaigners trying to shut ICE down.

Illegal immigration is bigger problem in Europe with our liberal politicians doing nothing and there's the problem. Until people vote out these clowns no one will do anything about it.

[Paul Markham]

How many of these jobs are ones Americans wouldn't do 20-30 years ago?

And how many are jobs that Americans won't do now because of the low wages?

Most certainly, housekeeper, anything connected to the building trade, truck and van drivers, cashiers, waiters, cooks, janitors, nurses, etc. Proving that Americans have become incredibly lazy over the last 20-30 years or these jobs now pay shit.

bronco67 had a good point with companies saving money as the tax payer and country pick up the bill. Can the Anti-Wall side come upwith figures that prove The Wall would have to stop no one to lose the $5 billion. Cost it over the life time of The Wall.

Tunnels are another thing The Wall wasn't intended to stop. Those require advanced technology to detect people moving or digging underground.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Of course I meant the entire project and later on in the post I quoted the $5 billion.

Now make a case where The Wall can't save more than it cost. A one off $5 billion against the cost of welfare, policing, prisons, health care, etc. Don't say more guards unless you've found people to do the job or plan to pay them enough so they have sufficient numbers.

And don't say more restrictions on hiring ICE officers until a Democrat Government enforces the laws you have. Instead of liberal campaigners trying to shut ICE down.

Illegal immigration is bigger problem in Europe with our liberal politicians doing nothing and there's the problem. Until people vote out these clowns no one will do anything about it.

I took this from Foxnews, therefore it cannot be fake news, right?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trum...a-statistician

The Trump administration wants to enforce border security with a combination of a physical wall and natural barriers that would protect the estimated 1,933 miles-long border between the United States and Mexico. Many different cost estimates have been thrown around, from as little as $8 billion to as much as $70 billion, with anywhere from $150 million per year to $750 million per year in maintenance.

In total, the actual physical cost of the wall would be about $25 billion. That sounds like a ton of money. But it isn’t just one person paying for it – the entirety of the U.S. taxpayer base would collectively foot the bill.

To put that in perspective, we could give 50,000 small businesses $500,000 each to get their businesses up and running. That would be pretty incredible.

5 billion one off? Try again, Paul

[imabro]

Originally Posted by crockett

20 million for 1 mile.. well done chump...


Imagine all the jobs they could have created with that 20 million... but no 1 mile of wall not even on the boarder makes much more sense.. to a Red Hat..

Because libs baaaaaad.. You Red Hats are the stupidest fucks I've ever seen in my entire life .

Hey dumbfuck, the word is fucking border. Ignorant fucking white trash Floridian.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How many of these jobs are ones Americans wouldn't do 20-30 years ago?

And how many are jobs that Americans won't do now because of the low wages?

Most certainly, housekeeper, anything connected to the building trade, truck and van drivers, cashiers, waiters, cooks, janitors, nurses, etc. Proving that Americans have become incredibly lazy over the last 20-30 years or these jobs now pay shit.

bronco67 had a good point with companies saving money as the tax payer and country pick up the bill. Can the Anti-Wall side come upwith figures that prove The Wall would have to stop no one to lose the $5 billion. Cost it over the life time of The Wall.

Tunnels are another thing The Wall wasn't intended to stop. Those require advanced technology to detect people moving or digging underground.

I have said before and will say it again, if we got rid of birthright citizenship that would stop illegals from coming here, having kids, then getting welfare. If we also went hard after those who hire illegals they will stop hiring them. If people know they can't get jobs or welfare, they will stop coming here.

Of course, the prices of some things will go up because they are going to have to pay more for Americans to do those jobs, but a wall will only stop a few people. Cutting off their ability to support themselves will stop many.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by imabro

Hey dumbfuck, the word is fucking border. Ignorant fucking white trash Floridian.

You can always tell the real crockofshit from the other people sharing his account.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Of course I meant the entire project and later on in the post I quoted the $5 billion.

Now make a case where The Wall can't save more than it cost. A one off $5 billion against the cost of welfare, policing, prisons, health care, etc. Don't say more guards unless you've found people to do the job or plan to pay them enough so they have sufficient numbers.

And don't say more restrictions on hiring ICE officers until a Democrat Government enforces the laws you have. Instead of liberal campaigners trying to shut ICE down.

Illegal immigration is bigger problem in Europe with our liberal politicians doing nothing and there's the problem. Until people vote out these clowns no one will do anything about it.

You still don't get it.

They will go over it. They will go under it. They will blast a hole right through it. Or... they will just go through a border check point.

We can spend $5 billion dollars on this and it won't stop the problem of illegal immigration.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You still don't get it.

They will go over it. They will go under it. They will blast a hole right through it. Or... they will just go through a border check point.

We can spend $5 billion dollars on this and it won't stop the problem of illegal immigration.

Nothing will stop it. Does that mean you don't try to slow it down?

[brassmonkey]

money that could have went to employer verification enforcement

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

So this is all that guy did with his Red Hat money and it's not even on the boarder... How many millions did he collect?

$22,000,000 to build a one mile fence on private property. The one mile backyard fence cost them $350k and took three days to put up. The rest of the money went to sallaries for the partners.

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And don't say more restrictions on hiring ICE officers until a Democrat Government enforces the laws you have. Instead of liberal campaigners trying to shut ICE down.

Illegal immigration is bigger problem in Europe with our liberal politicians doing nothing and there's the problem. Until people vote out these clowns no one will do anything about it.

Again you're talking about something you have zero knowledge of.

You're a clown that insults people in the country and state you've never lived in that you pretend to be an expert in.

This is explained to you at least once a week and you continue to act like you have no fucking first-hand knowledge from people who live in the state and deal with the issues that you're talking about you should just shut your fucking mouth until you can speak with wisdom instead of fear and panic for a country you don't even live in and never will live in. all you have is your pre-manufactured hate propaganda that you spew out every single fucking day and just makes you look like a mental midget only because you refuse to listen to facts and integrate them into your mind. Are you live by is fear and dread and hate facts have no place in your psyche any longer. Sad

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by StefanG

I took this from Foxnews, therefore it cannot be fake news, right?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trum...a-statistician

5 billion one off? Try again, Paul

Not even attempting to justify not spending $5 billion.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

I have said before and will say it again, if we got rid of birthright citizenship that would stop illegals from coming here, having kids, then getting welfare. If we also went hard after those who hire illegals they will stop hiring them. If people know they can't get jobs or welfare, they will stop coming here.

Of course, the prices of some things will go up because they are going to have to pay more for Americans to do those jobs, but a wall will only stop a few people. Cutting off their ability to support themselves will stop many.

Those things should be done as well.

Not even attempting to justify not spending $5 billion.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You still don't get it.

They will go over it. They will go under it. They will blast a hole right through it. Or... they will just go through a border check point.

We can spend $5 billion dollars on this and it won't stop the problem of illegal immigration.

Not even attempting to justify not spending $5 billion.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by baddog

Nothing will stop it. Does that mean you don't try to slow it down?

The liberals completely disagree with slowing it down. They think that measures no Democratic Government has proposed should now be put into action. Some even claim that whatever is put at the border is a waste of money as they will go over, under or around it. So Obama's fences were a waste of money, but where is the outrage against Obama wasting taxpayers money putting up ineffectual fences?

The wall will stop some and laws are in place to prosecute businesses, deport illegal immigrants once captured if only those laws were enforced more rigorously. Sanctuary cities exist in Democratic strongholds.

The collective cost of illegal immigration is carried by the American citizen and your governments and officials do little.

https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/29/new...ost/index.html

Jobless Americans have collected more than half a trillion dollars in benefits over the past five years.

State and federal unemployment insurance programs have cost roughly $520 billion, according to a Congressional Budget Office report released Wednesday.

The price of continuing this safety net will be the subject of intense debate in Congress as lawmakers decide whether to extend the deadline to file for federal benefits beyond year's end as part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. Extending federal jobless insurance next year could cost as much as $30 billion, according to the CBO analysis.

I'm not saying just a Wall, I'm saying the financial benefits of building it outweigh all the protests.

[Vendzilla]

Let's just start shooting them, no need for a wall then

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Wall will only stop those now walking across the border. Any suggestion that it will solve the entire illegal immigration in the US is bullshit.

The cost is something anyone can work out on a scrap of paper. Take all the illegal immigrants in prison, on some sort of welfare or government money, all those in a job, all those who are criminals, gangs and occupying the police, all those who heed housing. Then total it up and come to a figure. Is it $100 Billion or $200 billion per year. Even if you take the figures of the liberals illegal immigration which are very wrong missing out on so many negatives they pitch it at $54 billion per year.

Here's some numbers. DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens. and U.S. Spend $80 Billion a Year on Incarceration? By deterring 5% a year The Wall pays for itself in a year.

Unemployment benefits cost: $520 billion. Getting 1% of Americans into jobs currently done by illegal immigrants The Wall pays for itself in a year.

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#16e9ea8212c4[/URL]. Total Health care costs for illegal immigrants.

The real problem is this is a policy arrived at by someone who looks at the real bottom line not uses fuzzy numbers to prove their point. But even the most fuzzy of those numbers say illegal immigration costs $54 billion per year. The wall is a one off $5 billion. A wall is harder to climb than a fence and the percentage it needs to stop is nothing compared with what illegal immigration costs.

Your math and your logic, are as broken as your join pages...

You said it yourself, it doesn't solve the issue or even slow it down. Most of the immigrants that come in and stay illegally come by regular commercial flight.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not even attempting to justify not spending $5 billion.

why waste my time on something I have done on here before several times with someone who ignores what I say anyways?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Let's just start shooting them, no need for a wall then

Just quoting this in case you ever try to get a job in this industry again and potential employers need to know what kind of person you are. This way I can find it more easily.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

Nothing will stop it. Does that mean you don't try to slow it down?

The end result is the same. It's going to take them half an hour longer but they will still get here. What's the point of spending billions and billions of tax dollars only to change nothing?

In the mean time.... The Trump administration spent two years working on a solution to the crisis and when Kushner presented it.... It was laughed at. It was laughed at by Republicans. Two years and their solution didn't even tackle any of the problems facing illegal immigration.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Your math and your logic, are as broken as your join pages...

You said it yourself, it doesn't solve the issue or even slow it down. Most of the immigrants that come in and stay illegally come by regular commercial flight.

He has been told this every week for the last 2 years and every day he acts like he's a citizen of my country, who lives on a border state like I do and thinks he knows better. It's disturbing

Hateful racist foreigners halfway around the world acting like they're experts on our illegal immigration issues is comical. The Trump effect

[BaldBastard]

A legal dispute unfolded this week between private contractors who have built a half-mile fence between a New Mexico city and Mexico

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexic...g-border-fence

Whys Foxnews now saying... HALF a mile of fence?

..Awesome return on the 20 million collected.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Your math and your logic, are as broken as your join pages...

You said it yourself, it doesn't solve the issue or even slow it down. Most of the immigrants that come in and stay illegally come by regular commercial flight.

So why did Obama waste tax payers money building fences?

I never said it would completely solve the problem, the anti wall brigade use it as an excuse. It will slow the tide of people walking across the border. Don't tell me it won't without justifying the use of border guards who are now patrolling the areas where walkers are coming across. If going over and under is so easy, why aren't they doing that now and risking being caught?