News 'Any job that pays $2.13 an hour is not a job'

[brassmonkey]

AOC is still A-OK mixing drinks, despite taking over a year off from work as a bartender.

New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez engaged in a little bit of political theater on Friday as she returned to work at a bar in Jackson Heights, Queens. The appearance was part of a bid to draw attention to increasing the minimum wage to $15 per hour across the whole country.

Ocasio-Cortez famously tended bar and worked as a waitress in Manhattan's Union Square -- not Jackson Heights, a neighborhood she now represents in Congress -- in the time leading up to her historic primary victory over incumbent Joe Crowley on June 26, 2018.

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[OneHungLo]

Will she just go away?

[Rochard]

I used to flip burgers for $2.50 an hour. Baddog is nearly twice as old as me; I bet you minimum wage when he was a young lad was a lot less.

Tips or no tips, no one should be allowed to work for $2.

[Bladewire]

Some men (cucks) feel so threatened by a young, sexy, smart woman in a position of power. Why?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Will she just go away?

I know, I know you hate women who are smarter than you..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I used to flip burgers for $2.50 an hour. Baddog is nearly twice as old as me; I bet you minimum wage when he was a young lad was a lot less.

Tips or no tips, no one should be allowed to work for $2.

My 1st "official" job was like $3.63/hr or something close to that back in late 80's.

[brassmonkey]

i went on and on about this... customers should not be paying servers salaries! guess who gets the millions in profits?? hint: not the employees!

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crockett

I know, I know you hate women who are smarter than you..

Um no, I just hate communists whether they are male, female, or in your case.. zir.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Um no, I just hate communists whether they are male, female, or in your case.. zir.

Cricket is bitter because everyone is smarter than he is

[onwebcam]

She should open a bar rather than her mouth

[InfoGuy]

Any bartender depending on minimum wage should not be a bartender.

[BaldBastard]

Meanwhile in Australia UNEMPLOYED get $555.70 a fortnight and on top of that is benefits that can top it up by another 500 if you qualify, cheap travel as well, oh and dont forget.. free healthcare.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/ind...ch-you-can-get

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Some men (cucks) feel so threatened by a young, sexy, smart woman in a position of power. Why?

I find her a bit extreme.

I dont think she's a bad person at all, I genuinely believe she means well.

But shes young and super eager, to the point where it gets a bit extreme. And I know it's because she eventually wants to be president. Where her mind is at now, that ain't good at all.

I believe she'll gradually become more moderate as she ages and gain more experience.

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I used to flip burgers for $2.50 an hour. Baddog is nearly twice as old as me; I bet you minimum wage when he was a young lad was a lot less.

Tips or no tips, no one should be allowed to work for $2.

Things have sure changed, take In and Out Burgers Starting hourly wage is now $13 and managers who are only hired from within are getting $160,000 annually plus full medical and 5 weeks paid leave.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I used to flip burgers for $2.50 an hour. Baddog is nearly twice as old as me; I bet you minimum wage when he was a young lad was a lot less.

Tips or no tips, no one should be allowed to work for $2.

$1.45 when I was a kid. my first gig at 18 was working on road crew, $3.50 per hour, men were buying homes with wife's not working on that wage $.o2

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

I find her a bit extreme.

I dont think she's a bad person at all, I genuinely believe she means well.

But shes young and super eager, to the point where it gets a bit extreme. And I know it's because she eventually wants to be president. Where her mind is at now, that ain't good at all.

I believe she'll gradually become more moderate as she ages and gain more experience.

she is just another asshole trying to get ahead by saying negative hateful things, your kinda girl I bet

[King Mark]

^we not talking about trump

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i went on and on about this... customers should not be paying servers salaries! guess who gets the millions in profits?? hint: not the employees!

well if anyone can do it, just start a walmart type multi billion dollar enterprise up and get rich.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Any bartender depending on minimum wage should not be a bartender.

You seem to be missing the point here. Bartenders do not always work behind the bar. I worked as a bartender at the Sunshine Saloon in Pleasanton, California, for a few years and not all of my time was spent tending bar. A lot of time was spent taking in shipments and working in the backroom taking stock. Then after the bar closes we have to clean everything up. This is where the problem is - people will be employed as "bartenders" and will in fact serve drinks, but at other times they will not work as bartenders at all.... And employers will be paying their employees less than minimum wage when they aren't getting any tips at all.

Oddly enough.... I can still remember the phone number of the bar.

[bronco67]

I have more respect for a bartender who gets into politics than I do a lawyer or stockbroker who is getting in to make a buck off the system.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Meanwhile in Australia UNEMPLOYED get $555.70 a fortnight and on top of that is benefits that can top it up by another 500 if you qualify, cheap travel as well, oh and dont forget.. free healthcare.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/ind...ch-you-can-get

ohhh wow!! $500 every two weeks?

Dude our average layabout would fucking scoff at that.


There's a sanctuary city not too far from me that I sometimes visit and I'm always shocked that I see so many Guatemalans stumbling around in jeans and sweatshirts in the middle of the summer. Now I think to myself, why would someone that came from a hot climate just stay down in Florida, or Texas, or Kentucky, or Arizona....until you look at the payouts state by state.




^^Ahhh Now it makes sense.

[newB]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i went on and on about this... customers should not be paying servers salaries! guess who gets the millions in profits?? hint: not the employees!

Let's say they raise the minimum for service industry. What happens next? You think the restaurants are going to go out of pocket. Nope, prices will be raised and will be passed to the customer. End result? Suck ass service staff who will make the same amount whether they take good care of their customers or not.

BTW, most restaurants don't make "millions in profits" - profit margin on food is nickel and dimes. Soda, tea, and coffee are where the majority of mark-up is, followed by the bar.

I made bank working as a bartender for $2.13/hr, but I worked hard and was good at reading people. I earned a reputation that had customers coming back.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by newB

Let's say they raise the minimum for service industry. What happens next? You think the restaurants are going to go out of pocket. Nope, prices will be raised and will be passed to the customer. End result? Suck ass service staff who will make the same amount whether they take good care of their customers or not.

BTW, most restaurants don't make "millions in profits" - profit margin on food is nickel and dimes. Soda, tea, and coffee are where the majority of mark-up is, followed by the bar.

I made bank working as a bartender for $2.13/hr, but I worked hard and was good at reading people. I earned a reputation that had customers coming back.

That's the problem, people like AOC don't run businesses and really don't understand the effects it has on the economy. Raising the min wage to $15 an hr., things will end up costing more. Goods will rise, rents will rise and will push more people into welfare and housing programs. Then you'll have to tax the hell out of the people to pay for these social programs. It's an ugly cycle that won't work. Leftist policies do not work.

Let's just jump full bore into $100 dollar an hour wage so we can just destroy it, get over it, and never do it again.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

ohhh wow!! $500 every two weeks?

Dude our average layabout would fucking scoff at that.


There's a sanctuary city not too far from me that I sometimes visit and I'm always shocked that I see so many Guatemalans stumbling around in jeans and sweatshirts in the middle of the summer. Now I think to myself, why would someone that came from a hot climate just stay down in Florida, or Texas, or Kentucky, or Arizona....until you look at the payouts state by state.




^^Ahhh Now it makes sense.

The majority of that is way over minimum wage. So nothing will change there with or without a minimum wage.

People are always going to follow the money.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by newB

Let's say they raise the minimum for service industry. What happens next? You think the restaurants are going to go out of pocket. Nope, prices will be raised and will be passed to the customer. End result? Suck ass service staff who will make the same amount whether they take good care of their customers or not.

BTW, most restaurants don't make "millions in profits" - profit margin on food is nickel and dimes. Soda, tea, and coffee are where the majority of mark-up is, followed by the bar.

I made bank working as a bartender for $2.13/hr, but I worked hard and was good at reading people. I earned a reputation that had customers coming back.

The red part, nonsense.

Plenty service staff at places that pay well and dont rely on tips with much better customer service skill than your average tipped living restaurant server or bartender.

That's some good ol fashioned bullshit. All you gotta do is pay well, fire the shitheads to set an example, and bam... loyal workers that are much more professional start emerging.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

The red part, nonsense.

Plenty service staff at places that pay well and dont rely on tips with much better customer service skill than your average tipped living restaurant server or bartender.

That's some good ol fashioned bullshit. All you gotta do is pay well, fire the shitheads to set an example, and bam... loyal workers that are much more professional start emerging.

[newB]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

The red part, nonsense.

Plenty service staff at places that pay well and dont rely on tips with much better customer service skill than your average tipped living restaurant server or bartender.

That's some good ol fashioned bullshit. All you gotta do is pay well, fire the shitheads to set an example, and bam... loyal workers that are much more professional start emerging.

C'mon man, you have to be realistic. We're talking raising hourly wages for tipped employees to minimum. TO MINIMUM. What does "pay well" mean? Yeah, you pay someone $20/hour and you should expect to see great service. You pay minimum wage, the minimum they will make doing absolutely anything else, and most people are going to be less motivated to go above and beyond.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That's the problem, people like AOC don't run businesses and really don't understand the effects it has on the economy. Raising the min wage to $15 an hr., things will end up costing more. Goods will rise, rents will rise and will push more people into welfare and housing programs. Then you'll have to tax the hell out of the people to pay for these social programs. It's an ugly cycle that won't work. Leftist policies do not work.

Let's just jump full bore into $100 dollar an hour wage so we can just destroy it, get over it, and never do it again.

You forgot to mention the part where businesses replace low level unskilled workers with automation due to artificially high salaries. Why hire a bunch of teens to flip burgers when a business can replace them with a burger flipping robot?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Any bartender depending on minimum wage should not be a bartender.

Tips aren't consistent, a working wage is; anything under $15 an hour is not a working wage.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

You forgot to mention the part where businesses replace low level unskilled workers with automation due to artificially high salaries. Why hire a bunch of teens to flip burgers when a business can replace them with a burger flipping robot?

yeah the new cancer extreme burger!

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Any bartender depending on minimum wage should not be a bartender.

Originally Posted by Rochard

You seem to be missing the point here. Bartenders do not always work behind the bar. I worked as a bartender at the Sunshine Saloon in Pleasanton, California, for a few years and not all of my time was spent tending bar. A lot of time was spent taking in shipments and working in the backroom taking stock. Then after the bar closes we have to clean everything up. This is where the problem is - people will be employed as "bartenders" and will in fact serve drinks, but at other times they will not work as bartenders at all.... And employers will be paying their employees less than minimum wage when they aren't getting any tips at all.

If you were a good bartender, then you would have earned more than enough tips during the hours you spent serving drinks to offset the low salary hours you spent stocking and cleaning the bar. The bartenders who serve me earn hundreds of dollars in tips per shift.

Should strippers earn minimum wage if customers don't want to tip them because they're fat and ugly?

Originally Posted by newB

I made bank working as a bartender for $2.13/hr, but I worked hard and was good at reading people. I earned a reputation that had customers coming back.

'Nuff said.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

You forgot to mention the part where businesses replace low level unskilled workers with automation due to artificially high salaries.

The 10 years that minimum wage didn't go up inflation went up, the price of goods & services went up, 3% per year.

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about saying minimum wage is "artificially inflated". None of us like to pay more but there is a basic standard that we pay the society and it continues to go up as inflation goes up that's just the way it will always be.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

If you were a good bartender, then you would have earned more than enough tips during the hours you spent serving drinks to offset the low salary hours you spent stocking and cleaning the bar. The bartenders who serve me earn hundreds of dollars in tips per shift.

Should strippers earn minimum wage if customers don't want to tip them because they're fat and ugly?



'Nuff said.

strippers are not serving food or drink... if you are stupid enough to call her over that's your ass being stupid. the tips needs to end. mikky D's they bring food to the tables and out to your car. waterburger same deal... even in and out does it

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by newB

Let's say they raise the minimum for service industry. What happens next? You think the restaurants are going to go out of pocket. Nope, prices will be raised and will be passed to the customer. End result? Suck ass service staff who will make the same amount whether they take good care of their customers or not.

BTW, most restaurants don't make "millions in profits" - profit margin on food is nickel and dimes. Soda, tea, and coffee are where the majority of mark-up is, followed by the bar.

I made bank working as a bartender for $2.13/hr, but I worked hard and was good at reading people. I earned a reputation that had customers coming back.

how do restaurant and bars in the rest of the world survive?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by StefanG

how do restaurant and bars in the rest of the world survive?

fake illness gofundme accounts

[SilentKnight]

In our Niagara region $17/hr is considered a 'living wage' - yet ironically the local municipality that champions companies that strive to pay workers a living wage - themselves only pay $14/hr minimum wage (with no benefits) to long-term third-party contract workers that work for the city.

Yet down the road at another municipality unionized city workers doing the exact same work are paid $28/hr plus full benefits.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

In our Niagara region $17/hr is considered a 'living wage' - yet ironically the local municipality that champions companies that strive to pay workers a living wage - themselves only pay $14/hr minimum wage (with no benefits) to long-term third-party contract workers that work for the city.

Yet down the road at another municipality unionized city workers doing the exact same work are paid $28/hr plus full benefits.

the american dream!

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

The majority of that is way over minimum wage. So nothing will change there with or without a minimum wage.

People are always going to follow the money.

Well you're wrong because all of the people that are surviving making 15 an hour won't be able to afford rising rents and other costs.

They need to make welfare and government house so sufferable that working mcd's for a living would be better.

Tents, spaceheaters, powdered milk. Just able to survive. Make it miserable. People will make better choices.

[King Mark]

^sure... because every other country's servers rely on tips and since they dont tip, the servers dont exist... according to rightardhung over here

[BaldBastard]

Average Hourly Rate for McDonalds Australia Employees $16.45

https://www.payscale.com/research/AU...ia/Hourly_Rate

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Average Hourly Rate for McDonalds Australia Employees $16.45

https://www.payscale.com/research/AU...ia/Hourly_Rate

now do population difference

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

^sure... because every other country's servers rely on tips and since they dont tip, the servers dont exist... according to rightardhung over here

I'm talking about raising the min. wage for everyone to $15

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

The 10 years that minimum wage didn't go up inflation went up, the price of goods & services went up, 3% per year.

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about saying minimum wage is "artificially inflated". None of us like to pay more but there is a basic standard that we pay the society and it continues to go up as inflation goes up that's just the way it will always be.

^ that last column is the average for each yr.

Your inflation numbers are way off.

Average inflation over 10 years has been 1.5%

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I'm talking about raising the min. wage for everyone to $15

Minimum wage for everyone is retarded as 15 an hour is luxury for some fine folks I know in west Virginia but you wouldnt be able to survive anywhere in NYC with that without selling some fentanyl laced shit on the side.

If we going to have minimum wage, it should be based on your local cost of living or something.

This debate can get retarded af like the abortion one.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

^ that last column is the average for each yr.

Your inflation numbers are way off.

Average inflation over 10 years has been 1.5%

You're such a bullshit liar, as usual.

Rent in or area alone has gone up over $1k a month total over the last 10 years, and that's just rent. Apartments here that went for $1,600 a month 10 years ago are now $2,600 a month, or more.

So as a minimum wage worker over the last 10 years here you'd have to make $100 more a month, each year, the last 10 years, in wages to keep up with just the rent increases. As a minimum wage worker you'd have to be making $1,000 more a month now to be living in the same apartment that you lived in 10 years ago.

The cost of living has increased a hell of a lot the last 10 years and wages have been stagnant.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're such a bullshit liar, as usual.

Rent in or area alone has gone up over $1k a month total over the last 10 years, and that's just rent. Apartments here that went for $1,600 a month 10 years ago are now $2,600 a month, or more.

So as a minimum wage worker over the last 10 years here you'd have to make $100 more a month, each year, the last 10 years, in wages to keep up with just the rent increases. As a minimum wage worker you'd have to be making $1,000 more a month now to be living in the same apartment that you lived in 10 years ago.

The cost of living has increased a hell of a lot the last 10 years and wages have been stagnant.

Anyone can look this data up.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.co...flation-rates/

You're the one lying saying inflation is up over 3% every year. It isn't. So stop lying. You're anecdotal situation doesn't change the facts. Historical inflation doesn't go off your annual apartment complex rent raises.

[pimpmaster9000]

You pay them a liveable min wage or you pick up the tab when they go on food stamps and welfare...as long as you have living breathing citizens, they will need food and shelter...you get to pick up the tab either way...no politician can magic bean this...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Anyone can look this data up.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.co...flation-rates/

You're the one lying saying inflation is up over 3% every year. It isn't. So stop lying. You're anecdotal situation doesn't change the facts. Historical inflation doesn't go off your annual apartment complex rent raises.

The CPI does not include the cost of housing (rent or house prices) stud.

The real cost of living, for a real human being, includes the cost of their housing whether they rent or buy.

So if your rent goes up $100 a month every year for 10 years and you're paying $1,000 more a month for rent and your minimum wage is the same as 10 years ago, you are fucked, as are the current minimum wage earners.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

now do population difference

So because the US has more people than Australia, especially the food service industry in the US must be paid low?

Is that what you say?

[Vendzilla]

Let's see, last time I worked for tips was bartending, this was around 1990 and I made about $400 a week in tips, I did better at tips than the big titted bartender I hired. Not everyone should do this, having a personality that people want to have serve them is needed, a lot of service people have no personality. I tip $20% for those I like and a lot less for those I don't like, my Thai bartender gets more than 20% and I get some free drinks from time to time from her. She makes enough to have her own place and she travels , she just came back from Europe. She probably has a sugar daddy , she just got a boob job. Minimum wages are not designed to live on, if that's all you are inspired to do in an economy where there are more jobs than people to place in them, sorry, no simpathy