What happens to GirlsDoPorn (site & content) if they lose and get a huge 20M dollar judgment

[OneHungLo]

I wonder what will happen to the site and content if GDP loses? Will the site go into some kind of receivership and the lawyers take ownership? If that happens do they continue to run the site? Sell it off? Remove the videos?

[The Porn Nerd]

As lawyers say, it depends.

Will the judgment against them be huge enough to cause bankruptcy? Maybe.

The offending 22 videos have probably already been taken down so it's damages being sought. It's a civil suit so this should not affect all girls/videos, just the 22.

Shit, maybe the site will get a bump from the trial publicity and GDP will make even more $$$. LOL

[adultchatpay]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

As lawyers say, it depends.


Shit, maybe the site will get a bump from the trial publicity and GDP will make even more $$$. LOL

Yup, i even visited the site out of curiosity. Imagine hundred of thousands more doing the same.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by adultchatpay

Yup, i even visited the site out of curiosity. Imagine hundred of thousands more doing the same.

It will be the most twisted plug ever . . .

[Paul Markham]

Getting hit with a $20 million judgement could hurt them enough to declare bankruptcy. Can't imagine the lawyers touching it with a barge pole and the odds on selling it for pennies on the $ are extreme if the paperwork is pristine. Which I imagine it's not.

Even fighting this out in court is costing them and the plaintiffs have to be doing it with their lawyers taking part of the judgement. So where is the money to pay for the lawyers?

[fuzebox]

I imagine the settlement will be for much, much less. I'd like to believe there's a difference between the heresay of what the producer said out loud to the performers versus what was written in the paperwork they signed.

[JesseQuinn]

looks like a civil judgement against them probably isn't their primary concern anymore

https://www.10news.com/news/local-ne...ex-trafficking

wonder where that Pratt dude fled to. if he wasn't expecting the criminal charges he's prob in a nation with an extradition treaty

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

looks like a civil judgement against them probably isn't their primary concern anymore

https://www.10news.com/news/local-ne...ex-trafficking

wonder where that Pratt dude fled to. if he wasn't expecting the criminal charges he's prob in a nation with an extradition treaty

Holy shit! Yeah you're right. Money is the least of his concerns now.

[ilnjscb]

Co declares bankruptcy, plaintiffs try to "pierce the corporate veil" to get to owner assets, find they have none, judge distributes what assets there are.

[JimmyStephans]

Bankruptcy is an option but may not work. There is a clause in the bankruptcy code the prevents persons discharging debts incurred as part of "an intentional tort".

The lawyers for the girls would surely know that, and use that, and that judgment would not be discharged. I did that in 2 copyright cases and came out on the winning side both times, but in one (Oregon District Court) the bankruptcy judge did encourage my lawyer and their lawyer to work out a deal for payment, etc.

For those interested in the criminal case I'm going to start a new thread.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I imagine the settlement will be for much, much less. I'd like to believe there's a difference between the heresay of what the producer said out loud to the performers versus what was written in the paperwork they signed.

If they were forced to sign it without reading it theses guys are up shit creek. Who will the judge believe 22 girls who never did porn or a company that the director has fled the country?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

looks like a civil judgement against them probably isn't their primary concern anymore

https://www.10news.com/news/local-ne...ex-trafficking

wonder where that Pratt dude fled to. if he wasn't expecting the criminal charges he's prob in a nation with an extradition treaty

Good read, the remaining employees are well fucked. They should have resigned once they knew the tactics Pratt was employing.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Bankruptcy is an option but may not work. There is a clause in the bankruptcy code the prevents persons discharging debts incurred as part of "an intentional tort".

The lawyers for the girls would surely know that, and use that, and that judgment would not be discharged. I did that in 2 copyright cases and came out on the winning side both times, but in one (Oregon District Court) the bankruptcy judge did encourage my lawyer and their lawyer to work out a deal for payment, etc.

For those interested in the criminal case I'm going to start a new thread.

Doesn't matter if they have little assets.

[Pseudonymous]

Wouldn't he have his money overseas a long time ago, he's already fled. I don't see how they would obtain this money.

Most companies in adult operate pretty shady and have a large chunk of money overseas, use billing companies overseas, etc- most are pretty prepared for this type of thing

He knew the risk he was running

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Wouldn't he have his money overseas a long time ago, he's already fled. I don't see how they would obtain this money.

Most companies in adult operate pretty shady and have a large chunk of money overseas, use billing companies overseas, etc- most are pretty prepared for this type of thing

He knew the risk he was running

The FBI has a very, very long and forceful proverbial cock if they choose to use it.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Holy shit! Yeah you're right. Money is the least of his concerns now.

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

If Michael Pratt is indeed on the run, potential criminal charges after the civil suit may be the reason.

I said 3 days ago that's why he likely fled the country. Valorie Moser is likely to get a plea bargain. She's already voluntarily testified in the civil case against Michael Pratt, Matthew Wolfe and Andre Garcia and she's got the CYA notebook to back up prosecution against those 3 guys. Both the Special Agent and Judge are women, so there may be even more bias against the male defendants.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by trevesty

The FBI has a very, very long and forceful proverbial cock if they choose to use it.

Yes they do. They don't call it the "long arm of the law" for nothing.

And I'm pretty sure keeping his money is the last thing he's worrying about right now. He's looking at a 15 yr minimum mandatory in federal prison. There is no parole in the federal system and you do 85% of your sentence. I bet the 2 guys they have in custody now are working out deals to testify against Pratt.

[EroticistFilms]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

looks like a civil judgement against them probably isn't their primary concern anymore

https://www.10news.com/news/local-ne...ex-trafficking

wonder where that Pratt dude fled to. if he wasn't expecting the criminal charges he's prob in a nation with an extradition treaty

"The charges carry a maximum penalty of life in prison, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office."

[InfoGuy]

The FBI complaint posted in GirlsDoPorn Crew Arrested seeks forfeiture of all real and personal property from Michael Pratt, Matthew Wolfe, Andre Garcia and Valorie Moser, whether it was used or intended to commit the offense or constituting or derives from proceeds obtained as a result of the offense. If the Feds get their way, what's going to be left to award the plaintiffs in the civil case?

[Forest]

If they are smart they have already moved all assets off shore if they have any.
If they don’t have any it won’t matter

Can’t get blood from a stone

[NALEM]

I suspect receivership is the answer. Lawyers will likely ask the court to assign a trustee whose responsibilities will include finding all bank accounts, issue 3rd party websites take down notices for the images of the Plaintiff models, and arrange for selling of all assets to reimburse litigation fees and any damages awarded by the Judge.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by NALEM

I suspect receivership is the answer. Lawyers will likely ask the court to assign a trustee whose responsibilities will include finding all bank accounts, issue 3rd party websites take down notices for the images of the Plaintiff models, and arrange for selling of all assets to reimburse litigation fees and any damages awarded by the Judge.

That might be tricky considering the plaintiffs want to remain anonymous and out of the spotlight. The FBI complaint refers to them as AF-1 (adult female), AF-2, AF-3 and AF-5.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by NALEM

I suspect receivership is the answer. Lawyers will likely ask the court to assign a trustee whose responsibilities will include finding all bank accounts, issue 3rd party websites take down notices for the images of the Plaintiff models, and arrange for selling of all assets to reimburse litigation fees and any damages awarded by the Judge.

That would be my guess but it looks like that has changed. I bet the government seizes it all and the lawyers get nothing. Which sucks for the girls but anytime the lawyers lose I think it's a win for everyone lol.

[MaDalton]

Have they ever been to any shows? Don't think I met any of them.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by StefanG

Have they ever been to any shows? Don't think I met any of them.

Andre Garcia, Matthew Wolfe and Michael Pratt (L-R)
Sorry, but can't hotlink the image.

Do they look familiar?

[Dead]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I wonder what will happen to the site and content if GDP loses? Will the site go into some kind of receivership and the lawyers take ownership? If that happens do they continue to run the site? Sell it off? Remove the videos?

girlsdoneporn.com......still available

[jscott]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I wonder what will happen to the site and content if GDP loses? Will the site go into some kind of receivership and the lawyers take ownership? If that happens do they continue to run the site? Sell it off? Remove the videos?

I'm curious about this too, and what about affiliates who have content up??

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

The FBI complaint posted in GirlsDoPorn Crew Arrested seeks forfeiture of all real and personal property from Michael Pratt, Matthew Wolfe, Andre Garcia and Valorie Moser, whether it was used or intended to commit the offense or constituting or derives from proceeds obtained as a result of the offense. If the Feds get their way, what's going to be left to award the plaintiffs in the civil case?

This... the criminal complaint has made it almost impossible for the plaintiffs to recover anything. As of now, the civil case is on hold until after the criminal case has been completed - which will take years and years.

The women may get justice with the defendants spending the majority of the rest of their natural lives in jail, but their lawyers will probably not get paid at all.

If there was no criminal complaint, the plaintiffs could have tried to seize the domains, copyrights, trademarks, the bank accounts and the future revenue of GDP. So they would be left in the position of operating a site and company that they know violated the rights of models - just to get paid -- or ripping it all down and shuttering the site completely. Again, with the lawyers not getting paid...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Andre Garcia, Matthew Wolfe and Michael Pratt (L-R)
Sorry, but can't hotlink the image.

Do they look familiar?

Not to me

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

This... the criminal complaint has made it almost impossible for the plaintiffs to recover anything. As of now, the civil case is on hold until after the criminal case has been completed - which will take years and years.

The women may get justice with the defendants spending the majority of the rest of their natural lives in jail, but their lawyers will probably not get paid at all.

If there was no criminal complaint, the plaintiffs could have tried to seize the domains, copyrights, trademarks, the bank accounts and the future revenue of GDP. So they would be left in the position of operating a site and company that they know violated the rights of models - just to get paid -- or ripping it all down and shuttering the site completely. Again, with the lawyers not getting paid...

Thanks for posting.

What are your thought on the case? I saw Corey Silverstein was quoted in the NYT as saying "The government has a pretty high burden. They have to be able to show that someone knowingly recruited, enticed, harbored and patronized a person and then gained value from it.” He said he was “not convinced the government has a case,” adding, “Was the line crossed from content production to sex trafficking?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/u...afficking.html

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Thanks for posting.

What are your thought on the case? I saw Corey Silverstein was quoted in the NYT as saying "The government has a pretty high burden. They have to be able to show that someone knowingly recruited, enticed, harbored and patronized a person and then gained value from it.” He said he was “not convinced the government has a case,” adding, “Was the line crossed from content production to sex trafficking?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/u...afficking.html

I think Corey's wrong. I think he's putting a nice spin on it for the industry.... This wont even go to trial. The govt has testimony under oath from the civil case (deposition and trial) from some of the defendants. They have already incriminated themselves. And I think once the defendants realize they are facing lifetime imprisonment, they will be cutting deals and flipping to testify against Pratt and each other. The attorneys for GDP should have known better to allow their clients to testify and not invoke Fifth Amendment protections. Even the admin assistant has been indicted.

I dont think the GDP attorneys were industry attorneys. I think they were only business litigators. So they probably didnt even think twice about the ramifications of letting their client's testify under oath.

The FBI/DOJ was probably sitting back waiting on the defendants testimony and when they had enough, they indicted them.

I think sex trafficking will be the new weapon against producers... with what they have been charged with, almost any amount of coercion will do... you dont have to kidnap and/or rape models to get there.

And GDP even shot in one of the two states where porn is a protected First Amendment right.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

I think sex trafficking will be the new weapon against producers... with what they have been charged with, almost any amount of coercion will do... you dont have to kidnap and/or rape models to get there.

Yeah that is kind of scary.

I know some of these talent agencies and recruiters were/are getting sued, and in some of the complaints the girls are alleging they were coerced into doing some things they didn't want to do. Let's say a girl is being coerced by a talent agent or one of these suitcase pimps, would a producer become part of the crime of sex trafficking if he does a shoot with one of these girls?

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yeah that is kind of scary.

I know some of these talent agencies and recruiters were/are getting sued, and in some of the complaints the girls are alleging they were coerced into doing some things they didn't want to do. Let's say a girl is being coerced by a talent agent or one of these suitcase pimps, would a producer become part of the crime of sex trafficking if he does a shoot with one of these girls?

Interesting question... and you've motivated me to write an article for my site about this case...

But in short, the answer is maybe under a theory of conspiracy. It depends on what the producer knew and what did that producer do in furtherance of the coercion.

Look at the fact that the admin assistant for GDP, who was a woman, never raped anyone or kidnapped anyone, she was merely a part of the enterprise and she's looking at life imprisonment too -- for basically being an employee and doing what her boss told her to do.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Interesting question... and you've motivated me to write an article for my site about this case...

Thanks for your insight. Please link that here when you have it up.

Originally Posted by pornlaw

But in short, the answer is maybe under a theory of conspiracy. It depends on what the producer knew and what did that producer do in furtherance of the coercion.

Look at the fact that the admin assistant for GDP, who was a woman, never raped anyone or kidnapped anyone, she was merely a part of the enterprise and she's looking at life imprisonment too -- for basically being an employee and doing what her boss told her to do.

She could have been thrown in on the indictment knowing she would definitely flip on the other co-conspirators to lock the case up or because she was really Pratt's right hand man, or woman in this case, really helping to facilitate the whole conspiracy. Shit, she even kept a "cover your ass" journal. You don't keep those unless you know you're doing something wrong.


Part of me wonders is this an assault on the industry or really just a case of where GDP was 1) really egregious here, allegedly operating a complex conspiracy involving fake modeling agencies, fake models paid to represent fictitious videos they made, making models sign modeling contracts under duress, plying them with drugs and alcohol, keeping them locked in hotel rooms while being coerced into doing scenes they didn't want to do or they wouldn't be paid and 2) GDP getting a lot of press sensationalized the case, coupled with the own defendants testimony (holy crap that was dumb!), gave the government an easy case on a silver platter.

My guess is, if this was "joe blow" doing what GDP is alleged to have done with an iPhone getting this kind of media coverage instead of a commercial porn site, we'd see the same charges.

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Thanks for your insight. Please link that here when you have it up.



She could have been thrown in on the indictment knowing she would definitely flip on the other co-conspirators to lock the case up or because she was really Pratt's right hand man, or woman in this case, really helping to facilitate the whole conspiracy. Shit, she even kept a "cover your ass" journal. You don't keep those unless you know you're doing something wrong.

I think thats correct. And she will be the first to flip. And she can probably do the most damage to the other defendants.

Part of me wonders is this an assault on the industry or really just a case of where GDP was 1) really egregious here, allegedly operating a complex conspiracy involving fake modeling agencies, fake models paid to represent fictitious videos they made, making models sign modeling contracts under duress, plying them with drugs and alcohol, keeping them locked in hotel rooms while being coerced into doing scenes they didn't want to do or they wouldn't be paid and 2) GDP getting a lot of press sensationalized the case, coupled with the own defendants testimony (holy crap that was dumb!), gave the government an easy case on a silver platter.

They were definitely the most egregious. In 16 years in the industry Ive never heard of a producer going that far. And I actually talked to several of the models over the years that wanted to sue GDP. They were the worst, but there are other producers and agents that arent far behind them. This isnt an isolated situation.

My guess is, if this was "joe blow" doing what GDP is alleged to have done with an iPhone getting this kind of media coverage instead of a commercial porn site, we'd see the same charges.

I think time will tell. There's a reason why the feds are involved and they werent simply prosecuted by the local DA for rape and/or kidnapping.