What's worse.. Tube sites or Torrent sites...

[adultinnovation]

Stay safe out there. They're stealing all your chit.

[just a punk]

Here you go: pornolab.net - all the existing paysite member areas for free with a download speed which is faster than the original sites will provide you. Any questions?

[Klen]

I'l say torrent sites because it is harder to remove content from there.

[femdomdestiny]

I would say tubes. Gazillions of them, literally learned people that porn is free. Satisfying most of their needs. Torrents require some more technical knowledge to download plus, there are many cases people were paying fines for using them.

[JSWENSON]

Dumbass fuckheads that think tubes are a problem. Did we go back to 2008 or some shit?

[Cobra69erss]

Tubes didn't do this industry any favors!!

[nikki99]

tubes are easier to watch for the user

[CaptainHowdy]

[freecartoonporn]

Tube sites,
torrents are difficult for avg users., they have to download torrent client and find working valid torrents with seeders.
while in case of tubes, you just go to tube site, searrch video and hit play.

[SpicyM]

All the major TUBEs are pretty quick with takedowns, the last time we had Xhamster delete a pirated scene just a few minutes after sending DMCA.

The worst are the video streaming sites like Openload was.

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

All the major TUBEs are pretty quick with takedowns, the last time we had Xhamster delete a pirated scene just a few minutes after sending DMCA.

The worst are the video streaming sites like Openload was.

The worst now aren't "tube sites" (think legit ones with actual user accounts, upload ability, working DMCA, and Content ID systems), nor torrent sites (as noted above, hard for avg user to use), but "free streaming sites".

We see this a lot in JAV and it grinds my gears that so many advertising networks including ones that apparently take a strong anti-piracy stance have no compunctions with allowing them in their networks.

'Free streaming sites' may appear like tube sites at first glance, but as SpicyM wrote, their content is generally hosted on third-party hosting sites like OL, there are no actual user accounts aside from an admin nor ability for anyone to upload ("we collect movies from outside sources / not liable for copyright" is what's usually written in their footers), DMCA is generally there but may or may not work, and of course no Content ID.

For Japanese adult video, if the doman has "JAV" in the title and it's streaming full movies, it's 100% stolen.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Klen

I'l say torrent sites because it is harder to remove content from there.

this...


tubes are created show content that is allowed, therefore, you can notify the tube and usually that site would take it down, where torrent, they don´t care

[Denny]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I would say tubes. Gazillions of them, literally learned people that porn is free. Satisfying most of their needs. Torrents require some more technical knowledge to download plus, there are many cases people were paying fines for using them.

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

Tube sites,
torrents are difficult for avg users., they have to download torrent client and find working valid torrents with seeders.
while in case of tubes, you just go to tube site, searrch video and hit play.

I agree. Illegal porn might not be such a problem if it was not so easily available. Tube sites made porn very easily available for surfers... thousands and thousands of full-lenght videos sorted by categories, search function, you just hit the play button to watch it immediately.

All of my friends who know what I'm doing are really very curious how I can make any money in this biz when "porn is free and no one pays for it nowadays"...

[adultinnovation]

Originally Posted by Denny

All of my friends who know what I'm doing are really very curious how I can make any money in this biz when "porn is free and no one pays for it nowadays"...

valid questions

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Cobra69erss

Tubes didn't do this industry any favors!!

wich biz has been opened in favor to another ones biz ?

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Denny

All of my friends who know what I'm doing are really very curious how I can make any money in this biz when "porn is free and no one pays for it nowadays"...

This is the kind of people that would never pay for porn, not even 15 years ago. Before the age of internet porn they would bought pirated CDs, DVDs or VHS tapes or make copies themselves. Those that pay for porn love the style the videos are shot. Originality sells. It's not just the niche. There are paysites that don't even have profiles on tubes and they do great.

There are people that will join a paysite just to see a single particular scene in full length or more content of a particular girl.

[CurrentlySober]

Neither are as bad as being anally raped in the shower, by an errant wordpress installation...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

This is the kind of people that would never pay for porn, not even 15 years ago. Before the age of internet porn they would bought pirated CDs, DVDs or VHS tapes or make copies themselves. Those that pay for porn love the style the videos are shot. Originality sells. It's not just the niche. There are paysites that don't even have profiles on tubes and they do great.

There are people that will join a paysite just to see a single particular scene in full length or more content of a particular girl.

correct.
and because internet population 15 years ago was only 10% of todays the number of them is also 10 times bigger. but the number of people that want to sell porn in the same time increased 50x.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by Klen

I'l say torrent sites because it is harder to remove content from there.

Tubes usually provide a link back to paysite and have a relationship with the content owners.

My tube Fapnado.com | Unique HD Porn Videos has only promo clips, but converts well.

[Cyber Fucker]

I might be wrong but I'm thinking that torrents might be insignificant when it comes to traffic and usage, but they might be the first stop for getting the content for the further piracy including those who upload it to tubes, and I think that tubes are where most people are getting it from for free.

[femdomdestiny]

both fucked up our industry seriously. Just idea that people are putting tube as a keyword and there are gazillions of searches like that is saying how they shaped industry and demand. Sales dropped after tubes kicked in.

Just try to imagine the landscape without tubes and that the only way to watch full-length videos is to join a website or share content with friends. Tubes are giving too much, it is like free food. Yes, I would pay for a very special dinner, but only rarely,as long as I have decent food for free.

Statement about those people using tubes would probably not buy anyway, could be better applied to file lockers.

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Tubes usually provide a link back to paysite and have a relationship with the content owners.

A very, very, very tiny link that most users won't even see.

XHamster is one of the exceptions as they give content partners pretty good and big placement.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Cobra69erss

Tubes didn't do this industry any favors!!

Henry Ford didn't do wagon producers any favors. Transportation industry exploded in size and usage, though.

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Just try to imagine the landscape without tubes and that the only way to watch full-length videos is to join a website or share content with friends.

Seems a pointless endeavor since this kind of delivery system was inevitable as was large companies coming in to buy up large swaths of the pie.

While everyone sat around blaming tubes they ignored the ridiculous prices for porn, piles of competition, shit cross sales, mistreatment of models and a million other things that hurt the industry worse.

Right now, today, more money is generated via porn than ever before. Right now, today, there are less people trying to get a piece of that pie. What might have beens are silly at this point and after watching them take down so many 'legends' all I can do is enjoy the show.

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

I might be wrong but I'm thinking that torrents might be insignificant when it comes to traffic and usage, but they might be the first stop for getting the content for the further piracy including those who upload it to tubes, and I think that tubes are where most people are getting it from for free.

this is correct.

If i am going to start Pirate tube the first thing i would do is look for siterips on torrents and file lockers.

[Paul Markham]

Tubes get the millions who want one scene and need to select one they like. Torrents are to download the entire site or multiple scenes if you actually find one you like. So even if you use Tubes to find something good, you then go to a Torrent to download enough to satisfy.

Proving once again in porn, content is king.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

both fucked up our industry seriously. Just idea that people are putting tube as a keyword and there are gazillions of searches like that is saying how they shaped industry and demand. Sales dropped after tubes kicked in.

Just try to imagine the landscape without tubes and that the only way to watch full-length videos is to join a website or share content with friends. Tubes are giving too much, it is like free food. Yes, I would pay for a very special dinner, but only rarely,as long as I have decent food for free.

Statement about those people using tubes would probably not buy anyway, could be better applied to file lockers.

Free porn fucked our industry from day 1. At first it was magazines, why buy a magazine when TGPs give away free images? Now it's paysites. Without free porn you have to buy something, because your mates won't share a copy they bought.

Sales would sky rocket.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

This is the kind of people that would never pay for porn, not even 15 years ago. Before the age of internet porn they would bought pirated CDs, DVDs or VHS tapes or make copies themselves. Those that pay for porn love the style the videos are shot. Originality sells. It's not just the niche. There are paysites that don't even have profiles on tubes and they do great.

There are people that will join a paysite just to see a single particular scene in full length or more content of a particular girl.

15 years ago there were still lots of free porn. Go back 25 and apply those ratios of browsers to buyers and see the difference.

The number of people who will join a site to see one scene or one girl is so small, you can't build a business on it.

The problem will always creating original in numbers that warrant people buying.

[Micky Mack]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I would say tubes. Gazillions of them, literally learned people that porn is free. Satisfying most of their needs. Torrents require some more technical knowledge to download plus, there are many cases people were paying fines for using them.

Completely agree.

[el_mago]

Tubes, torrents and whatever else killed pornographers, not porn. Girls / couples / talent can buy a phone with a decent camera, a cheap tripod light, and post on pornhub, manyvids, reddit, wherever else, totally cutting out the middleman, no need for a merchant account, photographer, webmaster, website operator or any of that, and they are left with making better content and better sales than old man markham ever made

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by el_mago

Tubes, torrents and whatever else killed pornographers, not porn. Girls / couples / talent can buy a phone with a decent camera, a cheap tripod light, and post on pornhub, manyvids, reddit, wherever else, totally cutting out the middleman, no need for a merchant account, photographer, webmaster, website operator or any of that, and they are left with making better content and better sales than old man markham ever made

Yes, because Pornhub, Xhamster, C4S, Manyvids etc. offering platforms and billing for the girls are not middlemen.

The only thing that was killed is the webmaster part, since there is no longer the need for the model to create her own paysite. Consumer cameras have been cheap for over 10 years and light was always free, just like water and air.

Your post is 99% bullshit. I bet you never shot a single porn scene, especially with amateurs. How many Hollywood actors are also good directors at the same time?? I know of 2 or 3.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Yes, because Pornhub, Xhamster, C4S, Manyvids etc. offering platforms and billing for the girls are not middlemen.

The only thing that was killed is the webmaster part, since there is no longer the need for the model to create her own paysite. Consumer cameras have been cheap for over 10 years and light was always free, just like water and air.

Your post is 99% bullshit. I bet you never shot a single porn scene, especially with amateurs. How many Hollywood actors are also good directors at the same time?? I know of 2 or 3.

This.

Also, do parasites who monetize other people's work without adding value think they are simply working with a better business model? Sure.

Another problem is that surfers really want to believe they are buying direct from the model and there is no nasty middleman platform or photographer or director etc. The reality is that the most successful models appreciate the value a ManyVids or MyFreeCams brings and they figure out how to collaborate with good content creators.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Henry Ford didn't do wagon producers any favors. Transportation industry exploded in size and usage, though.

Here is a correct analogy: ....."by making cars Henry Ford did favor to a car thieving business".

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by el_mago

Tubes, torrents and whatever else killed pornographers, not porn. Girls / couples / talent can buy a phone with a decent camera, a cheap tripod light, and post on pornhub, manyvids, reddit, wherever else, totally cutting out the middleman, no need for a merchant account, photographer, webmaster, website operator or any of that, and they are left with making better content and better sales than old man markham ever made

What a dope.

As if all content is exactly the same or worse than mine. LOL

Tell us the models who can shoot their own fake taxi, Brazzers, Met Art content and that those sites don't sell.

The big loser in models doing their own things are the affiliates have been removed from the equation. No one needs pay some idiot 50% for driving 100,000s of clicks that don't buy.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Yes, because Pornhub, Xhamster, C4S, Manyvids etc. offering platforms and billing for the girls are not middlemen.

The only thing that was killed is the webmaster part, since there is no longer the need for the model to create her own paysite. Consumer cameras have been cheap for over 10 years and light was always free, just like water and air.

Your post is 99% bullshit. I bet you never shot a single porn scene, especially with amateurs. How many Hollywood actors are also good directors at the same time?? I know of 2 or 3.

This.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

This.

Also, do parasites who monetize other people's work without adding value think they are simply working with a better business model? Sure.

Another problem is that surfers really want to believe they are buying direct from the model and there is no nasty middleman platform or photographer or director etc. The reality is that the most successful models appreciate the value a ManyVids or MyFreeCams brings and they figure out how to collaborate with good content creators.

Surfers love chatting and dealing with girls and more likely to buy if they think she is behind the porn.