Stealing Content - Okay & Not Okay?

[Quimy]

I created my very first adult website many years ago when I was 18 and it literally saved my life a few times (my family is seriously fucked up, but that's a different story) and although during my best days I was making $30/day just from JuicyAds on a website with embedded videos from xvideos.com and although I did not host any content on my server, hosting company was taking me down on a regular basis because of DMCA complaint and then HostingGator sc**** over because they wanted $220 per month for hosting so I gave up, today old video aggregators making huge money.

After that, I tried to work with premium sites, I made a few sales and got a few checks but nothing breath-taking, but it helped a few times.

Nowadays, I have one subreddit with 25K users and one amateur tube website where I post 'rescued' and 'old but still worth to watch' videos from the net. So far only one guy reported one video and asked to be removed, but a few people told me that I am stealing content...

Is this really stealing? And how come it's okay if that video is on pornhub, xhamster, xvideos, etc? Pornhub created a porn emporium based on stolen content and where would they be without it?

So what are your thoughts about this? You can steal if you can steal enough?

[sonofsam]

People here will say you're a thief and a scumbag, while at the same time be doing the exact same thing you're describing + worse with shady billing practices. So here might not be the best place to ask.

It's technically stealing, but can you actually get in trouble for it? No.

Is anyone going to sue you? Unless you're making a ton of money, which makes a lawsuit even worth it, No.

There are a handful of honest webmasters with good business practices, and a majority who have benefited from stolen "user uploaded" content, unethical business practices, shady linking practices and cookie stuffing, popups, crossbills, malware, spamming etc etc etc etc

It's just the way the industry is, people hit it hard and milk as much as they can from it because the writing is on the wall with where the industry is and where it's going


Take from that what you will.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Quimy

And how come it's okay if that video is on pornhub, xhamster, xvideos, etc? Pornhub created a porn emporium based on stolen content and where would they be without it?

The elephant in the room...

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Quimy

Is this really stealing? And how come it's okay if that video is on pornhub, xhamster, xvideos, etc? Pornhub created a porn emporium based on stolen content and where would they be without it?

My guess is: Handshakes ? ?

[Smack dat]

Content needs to be collected and cherished. If people didn't reupload and save content so much amazing content would be lost for ever.

[LiLi]

It’s bad when Pornhub does it and it’s bad when a rando does it as well, just because a big name does questionable things doesn’t make it okay for you to do the same thing.
I fight sites that pirate content as an M.O to protect my own content and I get sponsors to terminate affiliate account for this reason without much trouble and these affiliates lose all their income and their lifetime revshare in a beat.
Getting sued isn’t the only negative repercussion you can face for fucking with other people’s content

[SilentKnight]

Google search for Suze Randall vs. Reactor (Max Sheridan)

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

People here will say you're a thief and a scumbag, while at the same time be doing the exact same thing you're describing + worse with shady billing practices. So here might not be the best place to ask.

It's technically stealing, but can you actually get in trouble for it? No.

Is anyone going to sue you? Unless you're making a ton of money, which makes a lawsuit even worth it, No.

There are a handful of honest webmasters with good business practices, and a majority who have benefited from stolen "user uploaded" content, unethical business practices, shady linking practices and cookie stuffing, popups, crossbills, malware, spamming etc etc etc etc

It's just the way the industry is, people hit it hard and milk as much as they can from it because the writing is on the wall with where the industry is and where it's going


Take from that what you will.

Thank you for your honest answer. I have a good and bad experience with the adult industry, once I had $99.50, the minimum payout was $100 and when I finally made another lead, they closed down and never paid me out.

To be honest, the majority of my videos are very short (usually no longer than 5 minutes and you can't even see the face on 85% of them). I am trying to stay away from 'fans' content and post only content people posted online just to show off, I don't think that 3-5 years people were expecting to make a profit on their sex tapes, but nowadays everybody is trying to sell it and make money on it.


I was thinking about combining short amateur videos with closely related studio made videos (trailers) to give people free porn and also promote professional content worth to pay for (by showing promo banners and links under the video player), but before I even started somebody already called me a thief here, so...

I have lots of US mobile traffic but very limited options to make money on it.

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by LiLi

It’s bad when Pornhub does it and it’s bad when a rando does it as well, just because a big name does questionable things doesn’t make it okay for you to do the same thing.
I fight sites that pirate content as an M.O to protect my own content and I get sponsors to terminate affiliate account for this reason without much trouble and these affiliates lose all their income and their lifetime revshare in a beat.
Getting sued isn’t the only negative repercussion you can face for fucking with other people’s content

Yeah, but we are talking about amateur content here that was uploaded to Tumblr, xtube and pornhub years ago and it's still there. I doubt that a few years ago somebody would claim this content is copyrighted and I even know that some people were farming this type of content and created paysites.


It's always easier to catch and kill small fish than the ones who grow up too fast, right?

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Quimy

I created my very first adult website many years ago when I was 18 and it literally saved my life a few times (my family is seriously fucked up, but that's a different story) and although during my best days I was making $30/day just from JuicyAds on a website with embedded videos from xvideos.com and although I did not host any content on my server, hosting company was taking me down on a regular basis because of DMCA complaint and then HostingGator sc**** over because they wanted $220 per month for hosting so I gave up, today old video aggregators making huge money.

After that, I tried to work with premium sites, I made a few sales and got a few checks but nothing breath-taking, but it helped a few times.

Nowadays, I have one subreddit with 25K users and one amateur tube website where I post 'rescued' and 'old but still worth to watch' videos from the net. So far only one guy reported one video and asked to be removed, but a few people told me that I am stealing content...

Is this really stealing? And how come it's okay if that video is on pornhub, xhamster, xvideos, etc? Pornhub created a porn emporium based on stolen content and where would they be without it?

So what are your thoughts about this? You can steal if you can steal enough?

Copyright infringement is a criminal offence and there is a difference between downloading a video for your private "collection" and re-uploading it on a website.

Rescued videos? Lol... rescued from what?? You are not "rescuing" anything by publishing it without the permission from the copyright holder/author.

The fact that someone publishes his works does not mean he gives permission for others to use his work.

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Copyright infringement is a criminal offence and there is a difference between downloading a video for your private "collection" and re-uploading it on a website.

Rescued videos? Lol... rescued from what?? You are not "rescuing" anything by publishing it without the permission from the copyright holder/author.

The fact that someone publishes his works does not mean he gives permission for others to use his work.

So basically it's exactly how I said, right? If you can steal tons of content it's okay and you can build emporium on it, saying it's wrong but you also know very well that without pornhub, youtube, etc. you would be totally screwed.

Are you seriously telling me that all amateur content is copyrighted and somebody would go somewhere to sue me and proof that the dick on that short video is his?
If you and others selling drugs you can't say it's okay because others do it, but we are talking about practices that created the biggest porn corporation by sharing FULL studio made videos and everybody is okay with that.

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

People here will say you're a thief and a scumbag

this

[8pt-buck]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

People here will say you're a thief and a scumbag, while at the same time be doing the exact same thing you're describing + worse with shady billing practices. So here might not be the best place to ask.

I personally think this is the best place to ask that question. The only reason why it's a bad idea is because he's going to get ganged up on for doing what half the folks on this board do themselves. Oh and lets not forget selling confidential email addresses along with other personal information.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Quimy

I created my very first adult website many years ago when I was 18 and it literally saved my life a few times (my family is seriously fucked up, but that's a different story) and although during my best days I was making $30/day just from JuicyAds on a website with embedded videos from xvideos.com and although I did not host any content on my server, hosting company was taking me down on a regular basis because of DMCA complaint and then HostingGator sc**** over because they wanted $220 per month for hosting so I gave up, today old video aggregators making huge money.

After that, I tried to work with premium sites, I made a few sales and got a few checks but nothing breath-taking, but it helped a few times.

Nowadays, I have one subreddit with 25K users and one amateur tube website where I post 'rescued' and 'old but still worth to watch' videos from the net. So far only one guy reported one video and asked to be removed, but a few people told me that I am stealing content...

Is this really stealing? And how come it's okay if that video is on pornhub, xhamster, xvideos, etc? Pornhub created a porn emporium based on stolen content and where would they be without it?

So what are your thoughts about this? You can steal if you can steal enough?

Stealing is never OK ! To wit:

On all the tubes, reddits etc... there are two types of videos:

1) Shorter then 10 minutes and watermarked.
2) longer then 10 minutes and NOT watermarked.

#1) are legit ( promo videos)those feel free to embed and share to your heart desire
#2) are pirated and if you use them you will be just another thief

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Quimy

So basically it's exactly how I said, right? If you can steal tons of content it's okay and you can build emporium on it, saying it's wrong but you also know very well that without pornhub, youtube, etc. you would be totally screwed.

What do you mean by "without pornhub, youtube, etc. you would be totally screwed" ??? File sharing sites hide under DMCA and those who upload illegal content on them are responsible. If it's the site owner who uploads copyrighted content, they are responsible, but it is very hard to prove who uploaded what. You can't accuse someone without having proof.

I can guarantee you that the biggest tubes (xhamster, pornhub and xvideos) act very promptly with take-down requests.

Originally Posted by Quimy

If you and others selling drugs you can't say it's okay because others do it, but we are talking about practices that created the biggest porn corporation by sharing FULL studio made videos and everybody is okay with that.

No, everybody is not ok with that. Only those profiting are ok with that. Here are some well known cases of companies that got in trouble for what you describe...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapidShare#Legal_issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaup..._United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotfil...lated_lawsuits
https://deadline.com/2019/10/openloa...cy-1202773971/

Did you create this thread expecting others to tell you that stealing is not bad?? If something is illegal, it does not matter what you or others think about it.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by celandina

Stealing is never OK ! To wit:

On all the tubes, reddits etc... there are two types of videos:

1) Shorter then 10 minutes and watermarked.
2) longer then 10 minutes and NOT watermarked.

#1) are legit ( promo videos)those feel free to embed and share to your heart desire
#2) are pirated and if you use them you will be just another thief

No, there are two types of videos on porn tubes:

1) legal uploads (licensed content, users/producers or studios uploading their own videos or users having permission from the copyright holders to use their content, or possibly public domain works)

2) illegal uploads (those who share copyrighted works of others without their permission)

Watermarks and runtime have nothing to do with legality of the videos.

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

No, there are two types of videos on porn tubes:

1) legal uploads (licensed content, users/producers or studios uploading their own videos or users having permission from the copyright holders to use their content, or possibly public domain works)

2) illegal uploads (those who share copyrighted works of others without their permission)

Watermarks and runtime have nothing to do with legality of the videos.

Why exactly amateur videos would be licenced?

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

What do you mean by "without pornhub, youtube, etc. you would be totally screwed" ??? File sharing sites hide under DMCA and those who upload illegal content on them are responsible.

So if everything was super duper before pornhub how come is MindGeek owning basically all major adult studios now? Again, would pornhub exist without stealing content?

How much money is making the music industry on youtube? Would be youtube worth $40 billions without pirated content years ago?

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I can guarantee you that the biggest tubes (xhamster, pornhub and xvideos) act very promptly with take-down requests.

Yeah, so do I. If you report a video and choose 'Copyrighted material' or 'Not consensual' and if there is a reason I can't verify it within 24 hours, it's taken down automatically..
So far only one guy reported video claiming it was recorded without his consent, all other reports were about not being able to play it, etc.


So basically according to you, if you want to create a tube website with amateur content you can't do it unless you are PornHub or xvideos (if no content was uploaded by them, why exactly somebody else would upload something to a website with no content and traffic?) and you pay everybody claiming they have 'a licence', is that right?

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

/// I am not able to quote your links//

Did you create this thread expecting others to tell you that stealing is not bad?? If something is illegal, it does not matter what you or others think about it.

I created this topic to know what are your thoughts about AMATEUR videos, so why are you referring me to RapidShare, MegaUpload and Hotfile hosting terabytes of clearly pirated copyrighted materials?

You are clearly expert, so please do tell me what should I do if I want to have a website with homemade content that would work in the real world. Thank you.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Quimy

I created this topic to know what are your thoughts about AMATEUR videos, so why are you referring me to RapidShare, MegaUpload and Hotfile hosting terabytes of clearly pirated copyrighted materials?

You are clearly expert, so please do tell me what should I do if I want to have a website with homemade content that would work in the real world. Thank you.

You started this discussion mentioning the top tubes being super big and successful companies thanks to content theft. That's why I pointed to cases of other file-sharing companies that used to be huge and successful - until they got fucked for what you try to excuse.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/copyright.asp

Anyone with an original work of authorship automatically has the copyright to that work, preventing anyone else from using or replicating it

It doesn't matter if the content is amateur or not. As long as creativity was needed to make the content, it is protected by copyright.

I am not an expert, I am a content creator and I don't want anyone to steal my work. If you want legal videos for your site, you either buy licensed content or let users upload their own homemade clips... or pay models to upload their own works the same way Pornhub does. Or just shoot your own...

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

You started this discussion mentioning the top tubes being super big and successful companies thanks to content theft. That's why I pointed to cases of other file-sharing companies that used to be huge and successful - until they got fucked for what you try to excuse.


It doesn't matter if the content is amateur or not. As long as creativity was needed to make the content, it is protected by copyright.

I am not an expert, I am a content creator and I don't want anyone to steal my work. If you want legal videos for your site, you either buy licensed content or let users upload their own homemade clips... or pay models to upload their own works the same way Pornhub does. Or just shoot your own...

Again, if no videos were uploaded to pornhub, xvideos, youtube, etc. by someone who created those websites, how would those websites get any traffic or popularity without content and made income to buy huge adult studios?

So we are still where we were before, you can't do it unless you are a pornhub or you have money to pay everybody claiming they are 'content creators'?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Quimy

Again, if no videos were uploaded to pornhub, xvideos, youtube, etc. by someone who created those websites, how would those websites get any traffic or popularity without content and made income to buy huge adult studios?

So we are still where we were before, you can't do it unless you are a pornhub or you have money to pay everybody claiming they are 'content creators'?

NO there IS another way. (Now I sound like Yoda, thanks.)
It's what SpicyM said and it's the thing most people do not want to do:

WORK HARD.

Got no money like I did when I started? WORK HARD ANYWAY. Figure out a way to create the content. Be smart, hustle, work your ever loving ASS OFF. WORK WORK WORK.

But nope. What's the quick and easy way to get from Point A to Point B. That's all anyone ever wants to do but it's no way to live, work or play IMHO.

So stop looking for permission to steal you lazy cuck and go out and WORK HARDER.

[Quimy]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

NO there IS another way. (Now I sound like Yoda, thanks.)
It's what SpicyM said and it's the thing most people do not want to do:

WORK HARD.

Got no money like I did when I started? WORK HARD ANYWAY. Figure out a way to create the content. Be smart, hustle, work your ever loving ASS OFF. WORK WORK WORK.

But nope. What's the quick and easy way to get from Point A to Point B. That's all anyone ever wants to do but it's no way to live, work or play IMHO.

So stop looking for permission to steal you lazy cuck and go out and WORK HARDER.

What? I should hustle to make enough money to pay somebody claiming he is a content owner and hope he won't screw me over? :D

I think something is missing in your life story of having no money.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Quimy

What? I should hustle to make enough money to pay somebody claiming he is a content owner and hope he won't screw me over? :D

I think something is missing in your life story of having no money.

No I think something is missing in your obviously crooked brain. Paying someone for content or stealing it is NOT the only way to get content. You can create it yourself, or hustle to get amateurs to produce for you, a million ways I won't go into because your basic attitude and filter are fucked to begin with.

You want the easy way out. You come on a Webmaster board for the Adult Industry asking if it's ok to steal producer's content. Again, there is something missing in YOU and it's called hard work, creativity, imagination, fortitude and pride.

Those sites you hold up as shining examples are now Affiliates who work directly with producers, both amateurs and professionals. The Industry is not how it was even five years back and you want to employ a strategy from fifteen years ago now. Good luck with that.

[ThePornCritic]

You are basically a thief. Pornhub steals content from creators. Not every creator or producer post content on Pornhub. Users illegally upload content to the site. It is still a massive problem in the industry.

Porn has a massive problem with people expecting porn to be free because it is on tube sites like Pornhub. The industry needs a major crackdown on thieves like you. Hollywood had crackdown on YouTube. The only difference is the world's largest porn company owns Pornhub and uses it to hurt the competition.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

No, there are two types of videos on porn tubes:

1) legal uploads (licensed content, users/producers or studios uploading their own videos or users having permission from the copyright holders to use their content, or possibly public domain works)

2) illegal uploads (those who share copyrighted works of others without their permission)

Watermarks and runtime have nothing to do with legality of the videos.

Go to any major tube and see the studio list of their content partners. The clips posted by the studios are short and watermarked like these:

https://xhamster.com/videos/petite-g...-party-7529696

https://xhamster.com/videos/twistys-...-dolce-8125958

https://xhamster.com/videos/lesbian-...-hard-14447381

https://xhamster.com/videos/dummy-th...-teen-14475372

The rest is stolen. There is NO way that any of these studios would "license" their long versions to a any free tube. That just does NOT happen. And as far as public domain? Nothing made after 1920 !

[PornDiscounts-V]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

The fact that someone publishes his works does not mean he gives permission for others to use his work.

In fact, publishing the work is in effect establishing copyrights of that work.

Things get hokey when a place like Tumblr boots that work. But the original creator would then own all rights again.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Quimy

Thank you for your honest answer. I have a good and bad experience with the adult industry, once I had $99.50, the minimum payout was $100 and when I finally made another lead, they closed down and never paid me out.

To be honest, the majority of my videos are very short (usually no longer than 5 minutes and you can't even see the face on 85% of them). I am trying to stay away from 'fans' content and post only content people posted online just to show off, I don't think that 3-5 years people were expecting to make a profit on their sex tapes, but nowadays everybody is trying to sell it and make money on it.


I was thinking about combining short amateur videos with closely related studio made videos (trailers) to give people free porn and also promote professional content worth to pay for (by showing promo banners and links under the video player), but before I even started somebody already called me a thief here, so...

I have lots of US mobile traffic but very limited options to make money on it.

you mention length, saying it´s only 5 mins...

As my partner always taught out children, stealing a penny or a pound, it´s still stealing

if you have the right to display the content in order to make a living from the content that was produced in good faith to make a living, then you can use it.

If you have no permission, then it´s stealing...

however, a question, when choosing the content, do you use footage with watermarks, do you remove the watermarks or just show the uploaded footage, so you´re advertising as you´re displaying the film?

As people above have mentioned watermarks, this is at least a way of doing courtesy to the content owner.

[xxxclusive]

lol dude you must have nerves to ask this here.

[CurrentlySober]

i cunt a4d2 any content to steal...

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by celandina

There is NO way that any of these studios would "license" their long versions to a any free tube. That just does NOT happen.

By "licensed content" I meant videos licensed by the creator to be used on tubes. There are content producers that sell non-exclusive videos for tubes. Regarding the length, there are many site operators that use longer scenes, 12+ minutes. It's up to them to decide the length of their own promo scenes.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5ea7efea13c5a
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5e17577188b0a
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5e97dfa359d25
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...wkey=679017009

Originally Posted by celandina

And as far as public domain? Nothing made after 1920 !

Wrong.

https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overvie...omain/welcome/

There are four common ways that works arrive in the public domain:

the copyright has expired
the copyright owner failed to follow copyright renewal rules
the copyright owner deliberately places it in the public domain, known as “dedication,” or
copyright law does not protect this type of work.

And this...

Thousands of works published in the United States before 1964 fell into the public domain because the copyright was not renewed in time under the law in effect then

[celandina]

Wrong.

Are we reading from the same paper ?

As of 2019, copyright has expired for all works published in the United States before 1924. In other words, if the work was published in the U.S. before January 1, 1924, you are free to use it in the U.S. without permission.

I may be wrong by a year or two

The rest of your interpretation is just a wishful thinking.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by celandina

Are we reading from the same paper ?



I may be wrong by a year or two

The rest of your interpretation is just a wishful thinking.

I quoted a part of the article, see the URL. You either can't read or you don't want to admit you are wrong, which would not be the first time.

A work can be in public domain no matter when it was produced. Try to read again.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I quoted a part of the article, see the URL. You either can't read or you don't want to admit you are wrong, which would not be the first time.

A work can be in public domain no matter when it was produced. Try to read again.

These are the exceptions:

the copyright has expired
the copyright owner failed to follow copyright renewal rules
the copyright owner deliberately places it in the public domain, known as “dedication,” or
copyright law does not protect this type of work.

your own article

[8pt-buck]

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[TheSickOutlander]

It's ok, until they caught you, right?

I'm joking, of course it's not ok!!!

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by celandina

your own article

What???

[ThePornCritic]

Originally Posted by 8pt-buck

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I love Alexa Bliss.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

What???

A link to an article you have posted

[adultinnovation]

In the world of Adult stealing content and even giving away content for FREE is ok

[BlueBookJosh]

It's OK if you're a thief...

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Adult Services | Mainstream Services
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[celandina]

Originally Posted by adultinnovation

In the world of Adult stealing content and even giving away content for FREE is ok

Since I do NOT sense any irony, then

[emmasexytime]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

The elephant in the room...

[Tasty1]

50% will hate you, the other 50% gives you respect when you get rich of it and "made it".
Than start buying and producing some content after you made money and 75% is happy for you.

I remember when the first tube owners showed up incognito at shows.
A few years later everybody wanted to meet them.

Same with questionable billing practices. People will hate it, till you "made it"

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

50% will hate you, the other 50% gives you respect when you get rich of it and "made it".
Than start buying and producing some content after you made money and 75% is happy for you.

I remember when the first tube owners showed up incognito at shows.
A few years later everybody wanted to meet them.

Same with questionable billing practices. People will hate it, till you "made it"

I still remember the days when some upstarts from an outfit called Netflix used to bother me and my cooleagues during film markets by begging to get a cheap license for some crazy scheme of shipping DVDs to customers for one easy monthly payment. No, No said I " Red Box is the way to go"