RadiantX

I have a friend that wants to be a cam girl and I recommended Chaturbate since it seems to be the most popular. She read on a few model forums that hackers auto-record almost every single show as soon as they sign on and sell the shows on a gazillion sites for btc (ex: savemycam.com).

I'm fully aware that no one can stop recording of cam shows on any site, but apparently there is some simple scripts that make it really easy for anyone to automate the recording and reselling of chaturbate shows. She said chaturbate offers a DMCA service after the fact, but hasn't plugged the security loophole yet.

Out of all the major cam sites, Chaturbate shows seem to be by far the most vulnerable/exploited. I remember reading about that many years ago, figured chaturbate would've figured that out and fixed it by now? Other than chaturbate, what is the most popular cam site? I'm thinking Live Jasmin or Cams.com?

Colmike9

Don't worry about the recorded shows, they can come down with DMCAs and the recorded show tubes really aren't where the money is.

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fuzebox

Worrying about piracy is always misdirected energy.

RadiantX

She doesn't want to perform on a site that is literally the worst for show piracy and I don't blame her. Recording is so bad with Chaturbate it almost makes you think they're profiting off it indirectly. It doesn't make sense that sites like Flirt4Free and ImLive use methods to prevent this but Chaturbate won't. DMCA take downs are a joke because most of these recording sites are hosted in Panama or in places where DMCA laws don't apply. She also shouldn't have to worry about constantly scanning the web for that stuff. Surely there is a popular cam site that doesn't have this problem nearly as bad as Chaturbate does. I've been out of the loop for a while, was hoping some cam models frequented here and could recommend a good site. After digging a bit, I think Flirt4Free is her best option, have yet to see a pirated cam show site that features F4F models.

j3rkules

If it really bothers her so much, better she should work on cam sites that focus on premiu shows, Streamate or LiveJasmin are the most popular ones.

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Colmike9

Yep, I was thinking that, too. But, the private shows and things like ticket shows can be good on Chaturbate, too. I've looked for a few girls' private Chaturbate videos on the pirate sites honestly and it's pretty difficult sometimes. Most of them are just boring feeds that are free to the public anyways, but not live. Or just popup hell kinds of things..
Cam porn isn't the same as paysites where on paysites it's like "sweet, I can watch this free now!" when they download a video or get a pw. On cams, tipping is more to support the girl, not really to get her naked for $x, so the ones not paying and going to pirate feeds aren't really ever going to pay anyways. Sure, her privacy might be an issue, but again she'd be on a live, anyone can watch it when she's online website anyways. You know what I mean

She should just test around on a few platforms and stick with the ones that pay out the best. If she isn't like top 50 on any cam sites, no one's going to notice her on pirated sites..

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AmeliaG

What jerkules said about performing only on sites where the show part is private.

If your friend would be upset if people either now or in the future knew she ever cammed, SHE SHOULD NOT CAM.

Lastly, Chaturbate gets exponentially more visitors than Flirt4Free. There is really no comparison for size. So, yes, there probably are more visitors screencapping streams on Chaturbate because there are simply more visitors. That also means more potential tippers for someone not ashamed of camming.

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Yep. Or try MyFreeCams. They're not big like CB with 10k viewers but if you find that whale... you're rich.

_Richard_

she shouldn't cam. should go to OF / IG mix or something, and it still won't solve this problem.

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this sadly though

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EddyTheDog

There is no way anyone can stop cam recording - It's just not possible - Of course Chaturbate are the biggest site so will be the biggest 'victim'...

Perhaps offering hand picked show offers with private software like Skype would help - But then how do you promote?....

If you find a solution please let me be the first to know...

k0nr4d

There are sites for this like cammodeldirectory.com where girls can setup skype shows.

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Tjeezers

Just making sure you know also about this option, in your CB settings.

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Klen

Since when knowing to auto-record is hacking ? lol

_Richard_

yea amazing how many don't know about that

Manfap

Is it hackers?
Few years back a co contacted me about work, logging in with their affiliate cam account to all the active shows and to screen record them. That login was from the cam co, they knew it was going on but if you had traffic and promoted them, they didn't care.

_Richard_

no, series of affiliate sites do stuff like this

are the models aware of that? probably not

RadiantX

That just prevents models from being listed on affiliate sites. That checkbox has no effect on hackers auto-recording every model as soon as she signs on. Not sure why Chaturbate doesn't unleash their pack of rabid lawyers on the dozens of sites like savemycam.com unless they were in on it some how.

Anyways, she went with Flirt4Free. As a veteran dominatrix, she liked their dedicated fetish section. Thanks to everyone that chimed in.

J. Falcon

Out of curiosity, how do Flirt4Free and ImLive discourage viewers from recording shows?

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bill_musk

- Those are not hackers - there is no such "security loophole".
- Every public show on any cam site is easily recordable - maybe easier on some sites, but once a process is set, automation of recording can be done at a scale on any site, at any time.
- If she worries about being on multiple sites, exposed, or anything, being a camgirl is definitely not.a job for her. She should look for more intimate and private way.

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TurboB

Everyone can record his/her own screen. It is not a hack.

CurrentlySober

Yes, and all the hackers wear black hoodies while they do it... Its the law

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RadiantX

No idea, maybe Chaturbate can ask them? All the recorded cam show sites like savemycam.com are of chaturbate shows. I know this because my wife and I performed on chaturbate back in 2016-ish and it was a major problem back then and we left once we learned about it. Nothing to do with privacy, more to do with having shows pirated/sold leaving model out of the loop. Chaturbate is very much aware of the issue, can't believe it's still going on this much later. There are scripts that specifically target chaturbate and record every model that meet a specified criteria from the second she signs on and signs off, it's a major vulnerability. Doesn't seem to be a problem for any of the other big cam sites. Anyways, beating a dead horse - don't care anymore, she chose F4F.

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fuzebox

Probably because Chaturbate broadcasts all shows publically for free, whereas the other sites still operate on a paid private show model?

bill_musk

Exactly. Chaturbate is by far the biggest cam site, hence have the most recordings saved.

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i doubt if DMCA can do anything about the videos. At the end of the day even with a million DMCA claims the owner of the website is the one to decide if they will remove the videos from their site or not.

Ollay

What's the problem with being auto recorded if it's a public show accessible by anyone for free?

Also looking at that site, they are hiding behind Cloudflare who never actually seem to forward the DMCA complaint when it's reported. They also probably use an offshore provider that ignores DMCA complaints.

There's nothing you can do to stop it, there will always be people screen recording

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trevesty

I'd be really curious to know how you think setting up a screen recorder on a publicly available video feed = "hacking".

It's amazing to me how clueless some people are.

ZTT

Chaturbate are in on it? I don't see them advertising one particular specific website in a keyword rich thread that you created and keep bumping to remind everyone of the URL again.

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He's not talking about that. When flash was replaced by HTML5 it became possible to download streams (and tube videos). You can do it with bash one liners. It's not recording the screen, just saving the stream directly.

Obviously the (privacy) problem is whereas once webcams were ephemeral, and performers might prefer them to more permanant video/image work, now anyone who performs is recorded and stays on the internet permanently.

This thread, however, is entirely about OP spamming his own webcam recording/saving site. Thought it when he posted it a month ago, since it made no sense as anything but that.

99% of anything that starts "I have a friend" is bullshit. In this case when his imaginary friend asks for a cam site he claims to have recommended the one he "remembered reading" is the "most vulnerable/exploited".

He can't decide whether it's him who knows all about "simple scripts" making it "really easy for anyone to automate the recording and reselling of chaturbate shows" or if it's his "friend" who "read on a few model forums that hackers auto-record almost every single show".

Either way, despite faking outrage at the "gazillions" of cam recording sites, he singles out one in particular, that accepts BTC (something he thanks God for in another post), and after all the dick waving he can't resist about knowing things normal people don't know, he finishes by acting the clueless rube going 'durr wat iz gud cam site' to keep the thread going.

Confirmed 100% spam when he bumped it and spammed the URL twice more in the last few days after the thread died a month ago.

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RadiantX

Whoa whoa whoa hold on there buddy. First off thank you for explaining the recording method to "clueless" @travesty. However, I have absolutely NOTHING to do with that site or any webcam recording site whatsoever - never have, never will. I just used that particular site as the most blatant example of cam site piracy I could find. Do a search on google, there are tons of them, and they're all of chaturbate shows. IMHO they're all pirate sites and what they're doing is illegal because the models aren't getting a cut. If you think I'm spamming an illegal site with no affiliate program to other webmasters you must be missing a few bolts.

ZTT

Where does "the most blatant example of cam site piracy" you could find rank on that search?

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RadiantX

To be honest it was probably the first site that I found when I googled it a month ago. Any of those cam recording sites are examples of cam site piracy. Again, if you think I'm "spamming" an illegal site that I am protesting against, has no affiliate program, and on a board that is for webmasters, you must be a very special type of stupid. I see you're fairly new here, but you should know by now this is not the place to troll for porn customers. If you're that concerned about that particular site, use your detective skills to dig a little deeper than cloudflare and you'll find the owner. Definitely not me.

Brad Mitchell

OP asks a legit question. As someone who tends a very large farm of servers, I can say that it’s impossible to ignore any other farm of servers that is programmatically recording hundreds or a thousand shows simultaneously. The service provider (cam site) would basically have to allow this to happen on such a grand scale because this type of activity can’t be hidden.

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RadiantX

Thank you Brad. I just did a quick search for "chaturbate recording script" and found this along with several other forum tutorials. The reddit user explains how he saves a massive amount of Chaturbate shows (200gb/day) and acknowledges "paid sites that scrape this data and store it". This was a major problem 5 years ago when my wife and I tried CB. When I heard that Chaturbate hadn't yet nipped it in the bud, it just had me scratching my head.

Eh... I'm letting myself get sucked back into this. Not my problem anymore, going to go watch some netflix and stuff my face. Have a great week everyone.

ZTT

OP is not simply complaining that CB is ignoring it, they're suggesting CB is actually in on it, which is no more legit than saying the continued existence of numerous Youtube download sites means Google is "in on it".

They most likely just don't think it's worth the time, effort and expense of playing endless whack-a-mole against what ultimately isn't harming them, and mostly just serves as free advertising.

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J. Falcon

As someone who went through cam porn addiction, I can tell you that recorded shows and live shows are a completely different animals. People hooked on cams won't be searching for recorded shows, and if they do, it won't satisfy their itch for live interaction. If it's not a privacy thing, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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J. Falcon

BTW, when I was hooked on cams, I used to record absolutely ALL the shows without exception. Watching them over again, however, was never that much fun.

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V_RocKs

Chaturbate is the most often target for the same reason that Microsoft stuff is the most often target. They have overwhelming market share.

You can Google for git chaturbate recorder and find many scripts and even some that are automated. So any douche can do this.

But like Brad said, when you do this to the scale that some of the sites are doing in order to provide massive amounts of videos, you cannot hide that. It is traffic and it is originating from a certain region.

ZTT

Just going over dropped domains and noticed savemycams.com, which I thought was the OP's site, I mean the site the OP mentioned three times in this thread, but this is more than one "cam". Anyway, it's available/unregistered for anyone interested.

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sexyandjagundo

Liike some other people said.
Streamate.
They whitelabel all over the place.
People come in IN DROVES
and they are very pro.
CB doesn't make it work like they do for some reason.
'course their cut is...ouch...

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coffeedude

I don't get it then how do these sites make money? I never looked into it. If they have an affiliate link for Chaturbate to see the performer, wouldn't Chaturbate just ban them from the affiliate program?

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