KYC - awempire

[Captcha]

Well, it seems this is going to be a thing in adult industry

KYC process on AWEmpire

In order to improve the security of your account and earnings, and
as a prerequisite to bring you new exciting features in the future, we have expanded identifying information requested from all
webmasters in our affiliate program.

What does this mean for you?

There is a mandatory requirement to update your registration
data by uploading a copy of your government issued ID (ID card, passport, etc.).

https://www.awempire.com/blog/news/k...ng-to-awempire

[femdomdestiny]

I've just got mad after getting an email from them, insulting intelligence. Look at that crap ( it is immediately clear they are lying)


"In order to improve the security of your account and earnings, and
as a prerequisite to bringing you new exciting features in the future, we have expanded identifying information requested from all
webmasters in our affiliate program."

Security is fine, I don't have any kind of problems for all those years. No, I don't need new features if the price is giving my personal, private data and losing control.

This is just one more step of repression, control, and fascism that so many people here will think is normal.

So, what is behind this? What cam sponsors are not asking for this shit,I want to move there in the next period

[Captcha]

What company had its database hacked a few years ago, leaving all camgirls fucked ?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I've just got mad after getting an email from them, insulting intelligence. Look at that crap ( it is immediately clear they are lying)


"In order to improve the security of your account and earnings, and
as a prerequisite to bringing you new exciting features in the future, we have expanded identifying information requested from all
webmasters in our affiliate program."

Security is fine, I don't have any kind of problems for all those years. No, I don't need new features if the price is giving my personal, private data and losing control.

This is just one more step of repression, control, and fascism that so many people here will think is normal.

So, what is behind this? What cam sponsors are not asking for this shit,I want to move there in the next period

Well, it is to improve security, but theirs, not your

[WiredGuy]

What documents are they going to request for corporate clients?
WG

[cezar78]

I hope it not gonna happen in chaturbate. I will never send any documents. Awempire is an UK company, i hope this stupid law is for England only. Chaturbate is from USA

[Captcha]

Originally Posted by cezar78

I hope it not gonna happen in chaturbate. I will never send any documents. Awempire is an UK company, i hope this stupid law is for England only. Chaturbate is from USA

Metart also have this same bs plus proof of address and they are from USA

[adultchatpay]

A selfie holding your ID is next!

[CurrentlySober]

i just send poo in post, to serve as my dna

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What documents are they going to request for corporate clients?
WG

So far only passport

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

So far only passport

Only? Why would anyone need my travel document? In which way it affects and it is related to our business?

[TaiGhost]

I think eventually all adult programs will have to ask for these docs.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by TaiGhost

I think eventually all adult programs will have to ask for these docs.

why? because of who or what or for what purpose?

[TaiGhost]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

why? because of who or what or for what purpose?

PH/MG is a case in point. I thnk non-adult businesses are going to need to insulate themselves from rogue characters in the processing business. PH got frozen out of processing because they did little to control content or uploaders.

See the new AV Industry video thread by Otaku.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...video-law.html

Adult is getting bashed from all sides in all kinds of ways.

[cezar78]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

why? because of who or what or for what purpose?

They want to report their users to tax authorities

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by cezar78

They want to report their users to tax authorities

this is why they will now start losing webmasters.

[jscott]

I won't be KYC'ing with sponsors, any of them asking for it I'll quit sending them traffic.

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Only? Why would anyone need my travel document? In which way it affects and it is related to our business?

Because they are required to do so by law.
If they don't they can't pay their models & affiliates legally.
Yes government control is reaching absurd levels.
But you can't really blame sponsors for those laws.

[blackmonsters]

The issue I have is that sites get hacked and all info stolen.
My doctor and hospital have online info about my health if I sign up; but to me it's just
one more thing to leak online from a hack.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Because they are required to do so by law.
If they don't they can't pay their models & affiliates legally.
Yes government control is reaching absurd levels.
But you can't really blame sponsors for those laws.

Lol...there is no law that says a PARTNER (affiliate) has to be subject to Know Your Client laws is there?

That would be like me demanding documents from an auto mechanic or a waiter at a restaurant I'm eating at.

KYC laws are for BANKS to the best of my knowledge.

My best guess about idiots with affiliate programs demanding KYC from their affiliates would be that they are getting bad legal advice from lawyers who always seem to push for more than is required.

Lawyers are constantly figuring out ways to "protect" their clients that aren't needed.

There is no way in hell that any company doing business with you needs to legally have all of your private info in order for you to send them traffic and for them to cut you a check.

It's just ridiculous. My bank ALREADY did the KYC for my company. And the Federal Govt. issuing me an EIN number for the taxes I pay every year also is more than enough to "authenticate" me to any moronic webcam company or porn company.

The bank is the ONLY one required by Federal Law to do KYC.
Not adult entertainment companies in regards to their traffic affiliates.

[TaiGhost]

A couple of program owners have told me it is Mastercard tightening the rope around them.

[FreeOnes]

Yes please stop with this shit everybody. The world is getting more insane everyday!

[cezar78]

Originally Posted by TaiGhost

A couple of program owners have told me it is Mastercard tightening the rope around them.

So these who pay in BTC like CB or bongacams should not bother us with KYC

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Lol...there is no law that says a PARTNER (affiliate) has to be subject to Know Your Client laws is there?

That would be like me demanding documents from an auto mechanic or a waiter at a restaurant I'm eating at.

No, but the garage the mechanic works at and the restaurant your waiter works at will have the information on their employees. You know, the people that pay them directly.

[Retiree]

Originally Posted by cezar78

I hope it not gonna happen in chaturbate. I will never send any documents. Awempire is an UK company, i hope this stupid law is for England only. Chaturbate is from USA

Did AWE change hands? It used to be a Hungarian company from the start.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Retiree

Did AWE change hands? It used to be a Hungarian company from the start.

No, and they're not a "UK company", either. Like any big company, they have multiple subsidiaries, etc. Ownership is still the same.

[PornGrowsOnTrees]

Yeah I find the face scans and all this really odd.

Crakrevenue implemented the same thing and I have lifetime customers in there. Lifetime revshare via MFC. I'm going to wait a while maybe these sites will remove this process. Doubt it though.

I hate the idea of doing something like this that could be used to take away more freedom from us in the long term.

https://youtu.be/GOcqTswwbFo

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

No, but the garage the mechanic works at and the restaurant your waiter works at will have the information on their employees. You know, the people that pay them directly.

Exactly...the info they have on them is in the form of a job application. Just like the affiliate application.
And then the tax forms they give their employee...just like the affiliate program already does.

Calling it "Know Your Customer" is bullshit. That is a Federal thing for BANKS to make sure that companies aren't funneling money to "terrorists" and "drug cartels" and anything else the Feds can do to invade your privacy.

It's NOT a legal thing for these porn companies to be doing. There is no law that says they need that info in order for me to send them traffic on the internet.
The only thing they need to do is send me a W-9

I already gave them my name, address, bank, and tax info.

The rest of it is pure nonsense.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Exactly...the info they have on them is in the form of a job application. Just like the affiliate application.
And then the tax forms they give their employee...just like the affiliate program already does.

Calling it "Know Your Customer" is bullshit. That is a Federal thing for BANKS to make sure that companies aren't funneling money to "terrorists" and "drug cartels" and anything else the Feds can do to invade your privacy.

It's NOT a legal thing for these porn companies to be doing. There is no law that says they need that info in order for me to send them traffic on the internet.
The only thing they need to do is send me a W-9

I already gave them my name, address, bank, and tax info.

The rest of it is pure nonsense.

True, it only applies to financial institutions.

[Captcha]

any AWE reps around here?

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Exactly...the info they have on them is in the form of a job application. Just like the affiliate application.
And then the tax forms they give their employee...just like the affiliate program already does.

Calling it "Know Your Customer" is bullshit. That is a Federal thing for BANKS to make sure that companies aren't funneling money to "terrorists" and "drug cartels" and anything else the Feds can do to invade your privacy.

It's NOT a legal thing for these porn companies to be doing. There is no law that says they need that info in order for me to send them traffic on the internet.
The only thing they need to do is send me a W-9

I already gave them my name, address, bank, and tax info.

The rest of it is pure nonsense.

I'm guessing they also ask employees for social security numbers (National Insurance in the UK)? If so that's pretty much a form of government ID on file with the employer.

I can actually see why they're asking for this stuff and don't have an issue with it besides the safeguarding of data.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

I'm guessing they also ask employees for social security numbers (National Insurance in the UK)? If so that's pretty much a form of government ID on file with the employer.

I can actually see why they're asking for this stuff and don't have an issue with it besides the safeguarding of data.

Of course they ask employees for Social Security for payroll and taxes.

Just like every affiliate program has always asked me for my EIN number (my business corporate tax number).

In other words...they have ZERO legal reasons to try and institute Federal guidelines for banks.

It's just stupid and time wasting.

I spent damn near a year trying to satisfy Cambuilder's "KYC" requirements just so I could get paid again.

Even though I have known Shawn Boday since way back in the Sex Tracker days and promoted Streamate since he first opened it...and put Claudia Marie on that cam site in the very beginning when he wrote me and asked me if I would.

I still had to send them my corporate articles of incorporation, my corporate operating agreement, statement showing my corporations division of assets, etc.
Those are all MY companies internal documents that are NONE of their business.
They certainly didn't send me THEIR companies internal documents!

All they needed (and already had), was my name, my address, and EIN Federal tax number.
The fact that they do ACH to my bank here in the United States already tells them that my company has undertaken all the REAL "KYC" shit that banks make you do for a corporate business account.

And the fact that I have (like all corporations do) a Federal EIN number and pay taxes accordingly should also be more than enough.

My point is...they are NOT legally bound to do any of that. They are just doing "KYC" in some misguided lawyer's scaring them to "CYA" (cover your ass).

If for some reason, one of those porn companies were to have their records looked at by the Feds...the Feds aren't going to look at their faux "KYC" horseshit.

Now, if I were some Russian webmaster out there trying to promote a US corporation.
Well, then maybe you need to do some extra due diligence (or like most have always done: Deny them)

[digitalfantasies]

KYC is not only for financial institutions.
You guys are forgetting that not every company is registered in USA where the laws are different

KYC is a part of of European AML directives and every year or so a new directive with new obliged entities are added, in the first or second directive it was banks. but we are long passed that.
Also new territories are adapting the European AML directives every few months.

AWE probably introduces it now, because this month
the digital services act has passed,
making stricter KYC procedures obligatory for companies that act as an intermediate between sellers and buyers of services.
And as I understand even social networks

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Lol...there is no law that says a PARTNER (affiliate) has to be subject to Know Your Client laws is there?

That would be like me demanding documents from an auto mechanic or a waiter at a restaurant I'm eating at.

KYC laws are for BANKS to the best of my knowledge.

My best guess about idiots with affiliate programs demanding KYC from their affiliates would be that they are getting bad legal advice from lawyers who always seem to push for more than is required.

Lawyers are constantly figuring out ways to "protect" their clients that aren't needed.

There is no way in hell that any company doing business with you needs to legally have all of your private info in order for you to send them traffic and for them to cut you a check.

It's just ridiculous. My bank ALREADY did the KYC for my company. And the Federal Govt. issuing me an EIN number for the taxes I pay every year also is more than enough to "authenticate" me to any moronic webcam company or porn company.

The bank is the ONLY one required by Federal Law to do KYC.
Not adult entertainment companies in regards to their traffic affiliates.

I was going to comment, but Robbie already covered it perfectly.

I'm trusting sponsors to pay as agreed and I don't have their selfie ID on file.

[jamezon]

Originally Posted by TaiGhost

A couple of program owners have told me it is Mastercard tightening the rope around them.

affiliate payouts have nothing to do with mastercard

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

KYC is not only for financial institutions.
You guys are forgetting that not every company is registered in USA where the laws are different

KYC is a part of of European AML directives and every year or so a new directive with new obliged entities are added, in the first or second directive it was banks. but we are long passed that.
Also new territories are adapting the European AML directives every few months.

AWE probably introduces it now, because this month
the digital services act has passed,
making stricter KYC procedures obligatory for companies that act as an intermediate between sellers and buyers of services.
And as I understand even social networks

Still don't understand why it is needed if you can cash out only to services like Paxum, your own bank account etc where KYC is already done. I really don't like uploading my ID anywhere..

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Paul&John

Still don't understand why it is needed if you can cash out only to services like Paxum, your own bank account etc where KYC is already done. I really don't like uploading my ID anywhere..

Because this goes much further than only financial transactions. Basically they want to know everything you are doing online, what you are buying, what you are selling what you are saying, with whom you are associating

All under the pretense of it being for our own protection.

"The DSA contains EU-wide due diligence obligations that will apply to all digital services that connect consumers to goods, services, or content, including new procedures for faster removal of illegal content as well as comprehensive protection for users' fundamental rights online."

"The Digital Services Act applies to a wide range of online intermediaries, which include services such as internet service providers, cloud services, messaging, marketplaces, or social networks. Specific due diligence obligations apply to hosting services, and in particular to online platforms, such as social networks, content-sharing platforms, app stores, online marketplaces, and online travel and accommodation platforms."


Scary stuff, but again. Can't really blame AWE for complying.
The new rules also make it much easier to fine non-compliant companies.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

KYC is not only for financial institutions.
You guys are forgetting that not every company is registered in USA where the laws are different

KYC is a part of of European AML directives and every year or so a new directive with new obliged entities are added, in the first or second directive it was banks. but we are long passed that.
Also new territories are adapting the European AML directives every few months.

AWE probably introduces it now, because this month
the digital services act has passed,
making stricter KYC procedures obligatory for companies that act as an intermediate between sellers and buyers of services.
And as I understand even social networks

So what you are saying is: AWE and every other sponsor that asks for this private corporate info from ME...should also be sending me all of THEIR private corporate documents.
Doesn't MY company also need to do "KYC" to make sure that they aren't terrorists or drug lords?
See...how ridiculous that is.
And I won't hold my breath for any of THEM to send me their company docs and ID's.

No. KYC is for banking institutions. There are no laws that say a porn company has to find out all of your corporations internal documents, etc.

Show me the law that says that specifically. I'd love to see where it says that any company in the porn industry is legally obligated to do KYC.

There isn't one. It's for govt. regulated and insured BANKS.

[TaiGhost]

Originally Posted by jamezon

affiliate payouts have nothing to do with mastercard

I am told now that affiliate activities ARE the responsibility of the companies using Mastercard. According to Mastercard. Companies are being held accountable.

What frustrates me is that there is no legislation in place demanding this. Card companies are making their own rules that go beyond ordinary.

[TaiGhost]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Because this goes much further than only financial transactions. Basically they want to know everything you are doing online, what you are buying, what you are selling what you are saying, with whom you are associating

All under the pretense of it being for our own protection.

"The DSA contains EU-wide due diligence obligations that will apply to all digital services that connect consumers to goods, services, or content, including new procedures for faster removal of illegal content as well as comprehensive protection for users' fundamental rights online."

"The Digital Services Act applies to a wide range of online intermediaries, which include services such as internet service providers, cloud services, messaging, marketplaces, or social networks. Specific due diligence obligations apply to hosting services, and in particular to online platforms, such as social networks, content-sharing platforms, app stores, online marketplaces, and online travel and accommodation platforms."


Scary stuff, but again. Can't really blame AWE for complying.
The new rules also make it much easier to fine non-compliant companies.

And mic drop.

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There isn't one. It's for govt. regulated and insured BANKS.

You keep talking about USA. AWE is in Luxembourg Europe and KYC is part of many different legislations and NOT only for banks

The digital service act has passed which makes KYC obligated for even more businesses.





For now hosting companies escaped the KYC obligation which was a point of concern. But the rest is still pretty much fucked:

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by TaiGhost

I am told now that affiliate activities ARE the responsibility of the companies using Mastercard. According to Mastercard. Companies are being held accountable.

What frustrates me is that there is no legislation in place demanding this. Card companies are making their own rules that go beyond ordinary.

There was a proposal in the same directives I talked about to hold companies, who don't have adequate risk assessment in place, responsible for money laundering/fraud/terrorism even if it was done by third parties using their services and the.
Previously this wasn't possible

[digitalfantasies]

To be clear, i'm not supporting any of this. I barely use my real credentials online if not absolutely necessary. I'm just sharing

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Because this goes much further than only financial transactions.

Thanks for the explanation.. shitty law then.. they should have done it in a way that KYC is needed only for the last instance.. so in case I get my payment to a bank account in EU where KYC is done then the other instances above that (in this case the sponsor) wouldn't need to perform it.

Then we could expect that every sponsor residing in EU would need an ID? (AdultForce etc.)
Can't these companies just make a branch in a non EU tax heaven so they don't need to follow this crap? I mean the main operation would stay in EU, just the part handling affiliates/performers/payments outside?

[cezar78]

These fuckers are taking our freedom and privacy piece by piece. I will not work with any porn company which requires ID sending. I hate EU, fucking communists, they copy solutions from China. Now its a matter of time when Bongacams and Stripchat will force us to KYC

[TaiGhost]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

To be clear, i'm not supporting any of this. I barely use my real credentials online if not absolutely necessary. I'm just sharing

Same here. Its crap. I never do any sort of mobile credentials required activity and hate doing it at the office. We've passed into a dystopian Orwellian world. Offline and on.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

You keep talking about USA. AWE is in Luxembourg Europe and KYC is part of many different legislations and NOT only for banks

The digital service act has passed which makes KYC obligated for even more businesses.

The way I'm reading that...it's the AFFILIATE that should be demanding documents from the sponsor.
Not the other way around.

The SPONSOR is the one "providing services". The only thing an affiliate is doing is putting up a link that says: "hey, check this out"

I'm not the one processing the credit card as an affiliate, and I'm not the one "providing a service"

As usual, bad legal advice is being given in some misguided attempt to cover their asses.

I don't care if it's Europe, Asia, or America...I don't see any way that any government is going to want to see KYC info on an affiliate putting up links.

The SPONSOR is the one providing promotional material, taking the money from customers, and providing the service.

They've got it all backwards.

[Roald]

Give it a bit longer and all sponsor programs will have to ask for this.

MC is holding merchants accountable already for what their affiliates do so this is just a next step in the process. Don’t play along and risk getting your account closed.

[TaiGhost]

It's coming to the point of, you are in or you are out. Via con Dios, Muchachos...

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The way I'm reading that...it's the AFFILIATE that should be demanding documents from the sponsor.
Not the other way around.

The SPONSOR is the one "providing services". The only thing an affiliate is doing is putting up a link that says: "hey, check this out"

I'm not the one processing the credit card as an affiliate, and I'm not the one "providing a service"

As usual, bad legal advice is being given in some misguided attempt to cover their asses.

I don't care if it's Europe, Asia, or America...I don't see any way that any government is going to want to see KYC info on an affiliate putting up links.

The SPONSOR is the one providing promotional material, taking the money from customers, and providing the service.

They've got it all backwards.

You're missing the point. They want to know where and to whom money is being transferred. This isn't about who initially takes in the money. Sites could be setup legitimately but payments could be funnelled to terrorists under the guise of affiliate payments.

Of course they're interested in covering their asses. Wouldn't you be? And just because it isn't government mandated, associations like Visa and MC, and even the banks, are well within their rights to try and shield themselves by knowing who their customers are doing business with.

You'd need to provide all this information and more if you wanted to get your own ccbill, epoch, or even merchant account.