Porn industry and modern Trans/Gay issues

[Huggles]

Most people on this forum have been exposed to news regarding drag queen story time, bud light, LGBTQ+ and much of the identity and culture war stuff that has been going on.

I think the porn industry as a whole would be wise to advocate for the staunch support that anyone making major decisions about their sexuality, like doing porn, or puberty blocking, or transitioning genders or whatever, should wait until they are 18.

18+ should be where the porn industry maintains a solid line. This is the hill to fight on.

Make therapy and shit cheap or free for people under 18, and the porn industry as a whole can see this as a victory. Nobody is mature enough to make such life-changing decisions like doing porn or transing your gender before you are 18.

I think this is a huge opportunity for the porn industry to set standards for what is socially acceptable. And, after 18 years old, people should be free to do (almost) anything they want on camera for an audience. Before you are 18, you should be limited to what you're exposed to and what you're able to do with your body.

There is a very real threat to the porn industry if the growing backlash against the LGBTQ+ and trans people keeps gaining momentum like we see with the laws passed in Florida.

I think there will be people grifting that porn is the reason why there is gender/sex wars happening and then grifters will make money by attacking the porn industry.

What do you people think?

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Huggles

There is a very real threat to the porn industry if the growing backlash against the LGBTQ+ and trans people keeps gaining momentum like we see with the laws passed in Florida.

Have you ever had someone threaten your life because you produce porn? Or have you ever been investigated by the FBI for it? Did you ever have Andrea Dworkin spit on you?

I've been in porn more than 50 years. What this industry needs is to get rid of a lot of the spineless and useless morons that are getting a paycheck from it. Tyrannical laws that criminalize porn is exactly what this industry needs. People with the balls to continue to produce smut when it's illegal will make a fucking ton of money with very little effort. (Especially the way modern society has become addicted to it)

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Have you ever had someone threaten your life because you produce porn? Or have you ever been investigated by the FBI for it? Did you ever have Andrea Dworkin spit on you?

I've been in porn more than 50 years. What this industry needs is to get rid of a lot of the spineless and useless morons that are getting a paycheck from it. Tyrannical laws that criminalize porn is exactly what this industry needs. People with the balls to continue to produce smut when it's illegal will make a fucking ton of money with very little effort. (Especially the way modern society has become addicted to it)

Tis true, tis true...

When I started in porn, it was 100% illegal in the uk for around my first 15 years. That's why a lot of people were afraid to do it. Police would regularly kick your door in and smash your equipment and duplication rigs - Total harassment and a pain inthe ass. Almost just for fun on behalf of the police - Just making themselves 'look good'

But that aside, also SO MANY other laws to trip you up, over and above what you'd expect.

Example. You make a 'vanilla' film of 2 people (man & a woman) 'having sex in missionary position' - No slappin, spitting, perversion, fetish, etc - Just two people in bed... Pop the VHS tape in the mail, and it gets intercepted. What was the charge?

Well, because it was classed as 'obscene material' & you had put it in the 'Royal Mail', the mental gymnastics of the powers that be, decided that it was a crime 'Of a sexual nature' and a crime against the Queen herself! You were in real trouble!

First of all, a fine. How much? Huge! For a start, it was around a minimum of £30,000 as a fine - Back then, that was 'Sell your house' kinda money - Totally disproportionate for the time... Cant pay? that's OK. Minimum of 5 years inside then...

So once you have paid your fine, or done your 5 years, that's it then? NO. You now have to visit the police station, every week, for the rest of your life, and sign a little book, called 'The sex offenders register' - Which also meant that you couldn't change address, or even leave the country for a weeks holiday, without prior approval from the police.

and the title of 'Sex Offender followed you for life...

But because it was that illegal, that's why we made so much money from it. So yes, make it all illegal again, and I might even come out of retirement!

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Have you ever had someone threaten your life because you produce porn? Or have you ever been investigated by the FBI for it? Did you ever have Andrea Dworkin spit on you? [/I]

Yes, actually when I had my first porn site online I went through customs and they held me for nearly 12 hours, threatened me, claimed I was working with some cartel, made wild accusations and dropped it after I gave them my HD I was travelling with and they didn't find any illegal shit.

Then I posted a video from a Canadian AVS site in a gallery, that, apparently, had an underage performer in it and the cops came to my house and acted like I was some sort of pervert boss, cuffed me, interrogated me, and I showed them exactly where I got the video from that they claimed was CP that I used as a gallery, and I never heard from them again. One of the fucking cops, while handcuffing me, pushed me face-first into the side of the house I rented and gave me a small cut on my head.

After I showed them exactly where I got the video, the cops 100% left me alone. But the intimidation was 100% real.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Tis true, tis true...

When I started in porn, it was 100% illegal in the uk for around my first 15 years.

That sounds like some wild times. Any documentaries or films about that era of porn in the UK?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Huggles

That sounds like some wild times. Any documentaries or films about that era of porn in the UK?

I started properly back in 1986 - There's a few films, but they all focus around the corruption of the police in London, Soho I was 300 miles away, supplying Devon & Cornwall.

I'll have a think when I get back from my operation - Gotta go now

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Yes, actually when I had my first porn site online I went through customs and they held me for nearly 12 hours, threatened me, claimed I was working with some cartel, made wild accusations and dropped it after I gave them my HD I was travelling with and they didn't find any illegal shit.

Then I posted a video from a Canadian AVS site in a gallery, that, apparently, had an underage performer in it and the cops came to my house and acted like I was some sort of pervert boss, cuffed me, interrogated me, and I showed them exactly where I got the video from that they claimed was CP that I used as a gallery, and I never heard from them again. One of the fucking cops, while handcuffing me, pushed me face-first into the side of the house I rented and gave me a small cut on my head.

After I showed them exactly where I got the video, the cops 100% left me alone. But the intimidation was 100% real.

they have a sub-reddit for you..



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[Holy Damage]

Can i have a domain called shemale something or is this bad?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by plsureking

they have a sub-reddit for you..

Are you saying I'm faking this? I was literally housemates with another GFY'er when the cops showed up asking about the old adultbouncer footage.

Kind of strange you would attack a GFY member from... 2003... when you signed up when?

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Are you saying I'm faking this? I was literally housemates with another GFY'er when the cops showed up asking about the old adultbouncer footage.

Kind of strange you would attack a GFY member from... 2003... when you signed up when?

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[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Huggles

I think the porn industry as a whole would be wise to advocate for the staunch support that anyone making major decisions about their sexuality, like doing porn, or puberty blocking, or transitioning genders or whatever, should wait until they are 18.

I am pretty sure the whole industry is on board with those under 18 not doing porn, WTF.

[JesseQuinn]

the main problem if porn was made illegal in the US would probably be the issue of monetizing US-based clients

more hoops to jump through with banks and the card companies for starters. in the age of KYC and FOSTA it's already a huge hassle

not everyone uses bitcoin or other cryptos, or even wants to, as the card companies (for better and for worse) make it possible to cb a bad purchase

also say goodbye to rebills

so sure, same amount of customers and potential customers thanks to VPN's, but what's the point if those customers can't be monetized?

also more difficulty using social media. if porn was banned in the US I bet a lot more of them would drop adult

plus even MORE stigma for peeps in porn and sex workers? fun fun

so yeah, on whole I think a ban on porn would have an overall negative impact on the industry

just my

good luck with your surgery CS!

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I started properly back in 1986 - There's a few films, but they all focus around the corruption of the police in London, Soho I was 300 miles away, supplying Devon & Cornwall.

I'll have a think when I get back from my operation - Gotta go now

I remember this article from Spectator which mention a bit about the police corruption at the time and Soho.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...on-in-britain/

Over the next few years, the Obscene Publications Squad was exposed as a tawdry protection racket extracting regular tithes from pornographers and Soho club-owners; drugs squad officers were shown to be running illegal cannabis deals; and half the Flying Squad was in the pay of criminals. These were not the clandestine activities of a few low-ranking detectives on the take. Whole squads were involved and the seniority of some of those taken down at the Old Bailey was shocking. In the words of trial judge Mr Justice Mars-Jones, it was ‘corruption on a scale that beggars description’.

The exposures of these corruption rackets had one thing in common — they were all revealed in the first place by the efforts of Britain’s free press. But these journalists could not have achieved all they did without the help of whistleblowers. Some of these were pornographers and criminals tired of being milked and intimidated, but others were rank and file police officers disgusted by the greed and criminality of so many of their peers.

[MatureKing]

Porn Industry and Ladyboy world controlls in Pattaya by Jason

[nikki99]

hell thailand

[fuzebox]

Whoa had to double check who started this thread

[Rochard]

I could not imagine being trans or gay in this environment. It's positively frightening.

Our industry has always been under attack, but this is just crazy. It's also unacceptable.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Minimum of 5 years inside then...

So once you have paid your fine, or done your 5 years, that's it then? NO. You now have to visit the police station, every week, for the rest of your life, and sign a little book, called 'The sex offenders register' - Which also meant that you couldn't change address, or even leave the country for a weeks holiday, without prior approval from the police.

and the title of 'Sex Offender followed you for life...

But because it was that illegal, that's why we made so much money from it. So yes, make it all illegal again, and I might even come out of retirement!

I'm a graduate of the Great Meadow Correctional Facility. It was an insane era but the money was incredible. Today someone would have to smuggle a plane full of snow in order to make that kind of money.

[DVTimes]

A few points.

1. Drag queen story time

Drag queens have nothing to do with sexuality or trans or being gay or anything. Anyone can do drag.

The problem with drag queen story time is that most doing it are the drag queens who perform in most cases as an adult act.

Often we are talking about drag queens who have no talent to be honest.

It was sad news today that the other half of Hinge and Bracket star George Logan dies aged 78.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65667911

These two had talent.

2. Bud light

The problem was with bud light was not with Dylan Mulvaney being trans, but the fact that Dylan Mulvaney has a huge fan base of children. As such Bud light was effectively advertising to 12 year old girls.Mot to mention she is seen in a bath with alcohol (not a good thing to drink in a bath in case you drown).

It would have made more sense to have used Dylan Mulvaney to have had her promote a brand new soft drink.

By the way I am not convinced Dylan Mulvaney is trans, but rather pretending to to get fame.

3. Being PC

People do not want PC porn. They do not want to look at porn and be told it is pc. People want smut.

In fact people do not want pc films, and the film firms are making huge losses putting such content out.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

the main problem if porn was made illegal in the US would probably be the issue of monetizing US-based clients

more hoops to jump through with banks and the card companies for starters. in the age of KYC and FOSTA it's already a huge hassle

not everyone uses bitcoin or other cryptos, or even wants to, as the card companies (for better and for worse) make it possible to cb a bad purchase

also say goodbye to rebills

so sure, same amount of customers and potential customers thanks to VPN's, but what's the point if those customers can't be monetized?

also more difficulty using social media. if porn was banned in the US I bet a lot more of them would drop adult

plus even MORE stigma for peeps in porn and sex workers? fun fun

so yeah, on whole I think a ban on porn would have an overall negative impact on the industry

just my

good luck with your surgery CS!

If porn was made illegal, all you would do is join as many porn sites before it was illegal, save everything to hard drive, then flog it pirated for cash on cheap hardrives.

Before they made porn (R18) legal in the UK (about the year 2000) I know a few people who made a fortune pirating porn.

One chap I know in 1995 was paying ten people £40k each just to copy VHS porn tapes. He could not keep up with demand.

[notinmybackyard]

Two things:

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

plus even MORE stigma for peeps in porn and sex workers? fun fun!

Fuck the stigma! When there's money in your pocket why should you waste your valuable time giving a rat's ass about what other people think?

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

not everyone uses bitcoin or other cryptos, or even wants to, as the card companies (for better and for worse) make it possible to cb a bad purchase

also say goodbye to rebills

Fucking adapt or go get a job at 7-11. Credit card processors are antiquated pricks who charge too much and have far too much power over everyone. The only people that would get screwed in a porn ban are those who can't imagine a different way to sell smut except with Internet distribution and credit card processors.

[Look Chang]

This interesting thread needs illustrations. For me, there is something fascinating about these well-hung ladies. Some of them are beautiful.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Two things:

you know it's serious when someone brings on the big letters

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Fuck the stigma! When there's money in your pocket why should you waste your valuable time giving a rat's ass about what other people think?

well normally I don't. in most things. but when it comes down to peeps having access to banking and the ability to rent or buy homes or even just not getting beat up/murdered by peeps feeding off of an official 'ok' to hate on peeps in sex work/porn, sorry for caring

I don't think you could even find the words solidarity and compassion in the dictionary

[GFY if he's actually interested wait for the next thread 'bout what those words mean cuz we all we all have fortes but 'search for words and phrases and sites' is not one of his]


this has affected me personally in three ways:

1) had a bank account shut down at the very start of my biz owing peeps paid through that method over 60k. have the idea you woulda just told them to pound sand, instead I travelled to the US to basically beg another bank to take me on, and they did, and everyone got paid. for real, would you have ever done that? that was primarily cuz apparently parent co of the payroll co was engaged in fraud but trust me the payroll co's ties to adult were the final kicker. I was told that by the wonderful bank manager I had for my biz account who gave the notice. no sarcasm there, she was wonderful

the bank was just doing CYO cuz fraud AND adult biz? they made the financial decision to let all of us go

lol made so many friends navigating through that process so guess there's that


2) a good friend of me and my bestie is a mom and needed to go into rehab. badly. no other friends capable of taking her daughter on and same with fam

so me and my best arranged to temp foster her for schooling/health care and such, basically the JA version of 'in loco parentis' so mom could focus on getting well, w/o lil gyal ending up in an orphanage aka 'Child Nursey'

THEN I found out I bought a domain (through a reputable provider) WITHOUT THE PRIVACY PROTECTION I was promised cuz I guess busy or something?

that woulda killed the whole process, of her living with bestie and both of us taking care of her, were it found out I bought an adult domain with my real name and address public

only found that out cuz all of a sudden I started getting emails from 'website design' and 'SEO companies' addressing me by my full name, at the registered email, for a domain with 'Fetish' it in

thankfully I had sold my co by then and had to transfer the reg owner to the new buyer like a week in so no public record so no harm no foul, but this coulda fucked up a lil pickney's life and her mom's pursuit of sobriety at a really difficult time

let alone for my best, as a single pops to his own young'un, the gov knowing his best friend was a dirty dirty whore?


3) a really good friend back when I was living back on a diff island was brutally murdered. just one of a string of sex workers (Dominican prostitutes) the cops and no else apparently cared about, cuz again....whores. she had a son and a mother. she making money for them. we had to fight so hard for them to even investigate her disappearance

her body was found, eventually, after mainly me harassing the cops to do a fucking search outside local. as a paleface expat as they didn't listen to locals at all ever, let alone the temp worker chicas. we all did everything there and sent her back home to moms for burial. gov didn't help at all

took years for dude to finally be caught


none of this has consequences for me. I'm not a victim of any of the above. you making light of the real consequences of anti-adult attitudes and policies when you're some 80 plus dude shooting stuff in your home for kicks "just fucking around"?


I can't even...

and this is with all of this being legal technically, in terms of the work


dude, this ish has consequences. if you don't care for your own special self, cool I guess. but maybe sit down and let the rest of us who do care do something without your oh so helpful disparagement?

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Fucking adapt or go get a job at 7-11. Credit card processors are antiquated pricks who charge too much and have far too much power over everyone. The only people that would get screwed in a porn ban are those who can't imagine a different way to sell smut except with Internet distribution and credit card processors.

not a matter of adapting, and sadly no 7-11's in my nation so I guess my other opportunities are nil

not a matter of adapting. just the reality of clients still liking to pay with cc's (or wire in the case of NA regs). at least the NA ones I find most prefer cc's. and in my almost 20 years experience most Brits, Aussies and Germans too

US/UK/CA/GER/AU. totally not valuable markets. I don't even know why I'm replying, you're just cranky and all of this will go over your head

Originally Posted by Look Chang

This interesting thread needs illustrations. For me, there is something fascinating about these well-hung ladies. Some of them are beautiful. ]

thread saved, gracias


whew, that was a mouthful. I hope the counter-argument was worth it to someone but def done with cranky-pants

off to bun a spliff

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I could not imagine being trans or gay in this environment. It's positively frightening.

Our industry has always been under attack, but this is just crazy. It's also unacceptable.

And it blows my mind that I know owners of major companies that profit off of these folks, our friends in many cases, and yet vote in ways that will destroy them economically and personally. Too many people I have had drinks and good times with that simply disgust me now.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I'm a graduate of the Great Meadow Correctional Facility. It was an insane era but the money was incredible. Today someone would have to smuggle a plane full of snow in order to make that kind of money.

Oh yes, I myself am no stranger to 'Time Inside' - In my post above, I gave you a truthful example of the the punishment for simply putting a vanilla sex tape in a envelope in the UK...

So, you can imagine the punishments for actually being caught filming a duplicating the stuff...

But money WAS great - Otherwise I wouldn't have done it - I remember when the internet came along, for the first few years, I only used it as another place to advertise my tapes... Which I'd send via the post !

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

thread saved, gracias

it was pretty fucking dumb from the start. no one under 18 exists to us on any side of the set or device. anybody 18 or over is fair game (if they have a credit card). what excites you? here's a free video

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[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

I don't think you could even find the words solidarity and compassion in the dictionary

I get up in the morning and I brew a pot of coffee and not a pot of self-pity.

I provide employment for people and thereby have helped raised many families and others achieve their goals. I have NEVER not paid anyone that's worked for me and I've always showed respect and loyalty to those that have done so to me. I sure as hell never needed some fucking bank to be able to do those things.

Being in business for yourself is not a weak man's game. Male or female, you either have the balls to overcome the problems or you don't. Bitching about how unfair or difficult a situation is never solves it. If you don't have courage and imagination then you should get a low responsibility job.

As for this social justice crap you dwell in.
I give hand ups an not handouts ! I dish out truth and not blow sunshine up asses.

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

So, you can imagine the punishments for actually being caught filming a duplicating the stuff...

I remember a time when we used to pick up talent and then drive to different spots where we would change cars. I also remember a time when we had to rent the camera so the cops started watching the shops.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I started properly back in 1986 - There's a few films, but they all focus around the corruption of the police in London, Soho I was 300 miles away, supplying Devon & Cornwall.

I'll have a think when I get back from my operation - Gotta go now

I hope your operation goes okay and wish you a good recovery.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I get up in the morning and I brew a pot of coffee and not a pot of self-pity.

see 1)

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I provide employment for people and thereby have helped raised many families and others achieve their goals. I have NEVER not paid anyone that's worked for me and I've always showed respect and loyalty to those that have done so to me. I sure as hell never needed some fucking bank to be able to do those things.

total samaritan

what a benevolent human being you are. god you sound like such a Quebecer. get over yourself

good for you for standing up for your people, I did the same cuz 'twas the right thing to do. in the midst of an international move with a first 'larger than you' biz you wouldn't have had an issue? like sure...future payments frozen to this account (out of which I paid everyone, by every method so out of pocket for all going forward) and 60k owed

total smooth sailing for a G I'm sure

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Being in business for yourself is not a weak man's game. Male or female, you either have the balls to overcome the problems or you don't. Bitching about how unfair or difficult a situation is never solves it. If you don't have courage and imagination then you should get a low responsibility job.

I sold that biz about a decade later when it got too big for me, bought a fun offline biz and still cam

I really do wish there was a 7-11 to take me away from all of this

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I remember a time when we used to pick up talent and then drive to different spots where we would change cars. I also remember a time when we had to rent the camera so the cops started watching the shops.

Yup. AKA 'The Good Old Days'

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I hope your operation goes okay and wish you a good recovery.

Thanks - Yes day after - Very sore, but all went well - Next appointment in 2 weeks to have the stiches out!

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Bitching about how unfair or difficult a situation is never solves it. If you don't have courage and imagination then you should get a low responsibility job.

You're the one who has been bitching about not being able to hack it in adult in 2023. A lot of people are doing just fine (and some of us are making "plane full of snow" money).

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I could not imagine being trans or gay in this environment. It's positively frightening.

Our industry has always been under attack, but this is just crazy. It's also unacceptable.

It's not fun right now for sure. From things looking up a few years ago, to now, is a total change.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

And it blows my mind that I know owners of major companies that profit off of these folks, our friends in many cases, and yet vote in ways that will destroy them economically and personally. Too many people I have had drinks and good times with that simply disgust me now.

Thank you Todd. I tried to express that a few weeks ago on here. Trans and lgbtq+ people deserve solidarity from the adult industry.

[Tasty1]

Looks like the big multinationals just want to score some points on Blackrocks Corporate Quality Index.
Best way to score some points is to make some trans ads to show you care for the 0,4% of customers. And it is supervised by the Human Rights Campaign. The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) is an American LGBTQ advocacy group. It is the largest LGBTQ political lobbying organization within the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Campaign

https://reports.hrc.org/corporate-eq...tune-companies

The Human Rights Campaign, which issues a Corporate Equality Index to rate companies on their policies toward workers in the LGBTQ community, told the Belgian-based brewer that it will slash its perfect 100 score, according to a letter leaked to USA Today on Thursday.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/anheus...t-controversy/

In Holland there is a 200% rise of people that has problems identifying themselves and a shortage of specialist to operate or give mental help.
And the strange thing, they don't know why there is a rise.... I think the people wondering why that rise is, don't watch much TV and didn't see a beer or adidas commercial recently.

Looks like i must buy some new clothes without brands. Before it looks like i support man taking over woman's sports.
Altough i support man in the Dutch woman's soccer team to improve the game. And win everything.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

Looks like the big multinationals just want to score some points on Blackrocks Corporate Quality Index.
Best way to score some points is to make some trans ads to show you care for the 0,4% of customers. And it is supervised by the Human Rights Campaign. The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) is an American LGBTQ advocacy group. It is the largest LGBTQ political lobbying organization within the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Campaign

https://reports.hrc.org/corporate-eq...tune-companies

The Human Rights Campaign, which issues a Corporate Equality Index to rate companies on their policies toward workers in the LGBTQ community, told the Belgian-based brewer that it will slash its perfect 100 score, according to a letter leaked to USA Today on Thursday.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/anheus...t-controversy/

In Holland there is a 200% rise of people that has problems identifying themselves and a shortage of specialist to operate or give mental help.
And the strange thing, they don't know why there is a rise.... I think the people wondering why that rise is, don't watch much TV and didn't see a beer or adidas commercial recently.

Looks like i must buy some new clothes without brands. Before it looks like i support man taking over woman's sports.
Altough i support man in the Dutch woman's soccer team to improve the game. And win everything.

Yes just how like being left handed became "trendy" when it was again acceptable to be left handed i the 1900s. Same thing here. Trans people always existed, we just hid it.

Just like I did, and I worked in the gd adult industry and was at 6 to 8 conventions every year, yet I still had to hide who I was.

The reason there were more trans people appearing, was it was becoming acceptable. We had a Gd Jeopardy long time winner who was trans. People were supporting us, now bigotry is pushing the pendulum back temporarily, however the pendulum will swing back to trans people being even more accepted, and those that were bigots mostly already spoke up so we know who many are now. lol

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes just how like being left handed became "trendy" when it was again acceptable to be left handed i the 1900s. Same thing here. Trans people always existed, we just hid it.

Just like I did, and I worked in the gd adult industry and was at 6 to 8 conventions every year, yet I still had to hide who I was.

The reason there were more trans people appearing, was it was becoming acceptable. We had a Gd Jeopardy long time winner who was trans. People were supporting us, now bigotry is pushing the pendulum back temporarily, however the pendulum will swing back to trans people being even more accepted, and those that were bigots mostly already spoke up so we know who many are now. lol

I lived many years in Thailand and nobody is hiding it there. And nobody pushing it either.
Nobody told you to hide how you felt. I think hardly anybody would care. I wouldn't care a bit.

Nowadays it is already "bigotry" when people say it is crazy that transwoman win all kind of woman medals in sport....
Poor women who can give birth, they lost their identity.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes just how like being left handed became "trendy" when it was again acceptable to be left handed i the 1900s. Same thing here. Trans people always existed, we just hid it.l

but, but, tying the left hands of lefty kids to their school desks totally cured them!

(not sure where you're at but that was a 'thing' in Canada back in even the 50's. totally not ch!ld abuse or anything)

either way, a good analogy, you spawn of Satan you

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Just like I did, and I worked in the gd adult industry and was at 6 to 8 conventions every year, yet I still had to hide who I was.

The reason there were more trans people appearing, was it was becoming acceptable. We had a Gd Jeopardy long time winner who was trans. People were supporting us, now bigotry is pushing the pendulum back temporarily, however the pendulum will swing back to trans people being even more accepted, and those that were bigots mostly already spoke up so we know who many are now. lol

glad ya don't hide who you are anymore

I think human rights are a pendulum that swings back and forth until it settles, or trembles between back 'n forth but still centered. various progress in various countries obv

agree 100% the pendulum on this hasn't stopped swinging wildly yet in the West, but like rights for women or Black peeps or Native peeps or immigrants or [insert here] the fact that it's swinging I think is overall a good sign

societal change is incremental and the noise of social media where everyone has to have an opinion on everything doesn't help. frustrating, but the truth I think

either way, good for you for having the courage to be you. walk tall

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

I lived many years in Thailand and nobody is hiding it there. And nobody pushing it either.

ya i've never once gone shopping or to dinner in Thailand and not seen transgender people out and about. they are treated like anyone else and no one cares.

the new govt stated they want to legalize gay marriage in the first 100 days and no one protested or has a problem with it.

the biggest problem, or really the only time i see transgenders mentioned in the news, is the annual conscript (military draft). i think they're trying to end that too. i guess the only other time is when a group of ladyboys in Pattaya beat the shit out of some tourist who insulted them (usually Aussies). those heels look like they hurt!

if you really want to be free and live how you want, maybe escape the states? most of the 3rd world doesn't care what you do or how you dress. the countries that don't speak Arabic at least. those mofos will throw you off a building.

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[MatureKing]

Jesse is a rich girl?

[ZTT]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

I lived many years in Thailand and nobody is hiding it there. And nobody pushing it either.

Thailand, like other developing countries, has (and/or had) a major advantage over the West: extreme ultra poverty. Lucky bastards.

People simply had more to worry about than what logo is on the door of the room they take a shit in.

So in the West, where gay sex was illegal until relatively recently, and there's a functioning rule of law, people and police had the luxury to moralize about and/or shun/persecute gay people, even within their own family - families that are also typically smaller and more nuclear/insular than in the developing world - and 'trans/gay/LGBT' ended up being political, about legal rights and protest.

Nothing wrong with that, but there's a lack of foundation in the community and no real visibility other than stories about 'demanding' this or that, or marches, or pronouns, or identifying as attack helicopters, or slapping customers at Starbucks. Of course if that's all you hear/know about a certain group, you're not going to think positive thoughts.

That's how the cunts in charge operate, of course, divide and rule. And we all fall for it.

In developing countries gay/lesbian/trans people are just your brother, sister, cousin, uncle, aunt, schoolmate, best friend, boyfriend or girlfriend. Fewer legal rights, still some bigotry and discrimination, but just part of society.

You love them, they're nothing special or worse than anyone else, they're funny, enliven any party, can (if you're a woman or trans) do your make up or lend you shoes or a dress, and they're dealing with the same world of utter complete shit as everyone else. They're just people.

So while we're patting ourselves on the back because we stopped chemically castrating WWII heroes, and carry on laughing at men in dresses or 'Hangover' type dogshit, in developing countries, over decades, support networks and communities grew.

Older 'gays'/trans who paved the way before, help and support and advise younger ones who continue the process of acceptance and tolerance. A gay community in almost every street or 'block' in every town, not 'underground' or in special capitalistic ghettos, 'gay villages', in major cities like the West.

It's a pity because the West dominates the internet and social media, influencing other parts of the world in a new/continuing cultural imperialism, when the West should be learning from developing countries with successful, established, accepted gay/trans communities how it's done.

The worst thing would be for developing countries to lose what they already have by copying the stupidest ideological shit from the West - aka the only stuff we seem to hear about - turning gay/trans life from something personal and accepted into something too politicized and divisive, with a loss of socialization and community and sense of all being in it together.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

I lived many years in Thailand and nobody is hiding it there. And nobody pushing it either.
Nobody told you to hide how you felt. I think hardly anybody would care. I wouldn't care a bit.

Nowadays it is already "bigotry" when people say it is crazy that transwoman win all kind of woman medals in sport....
Poor women who can give birth, they lost their identity.

Well I don't live in Thailand, so.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

It's not fun right now for sure. From things looking up a few years ago, to now, is a total change.

Where did it go wrong?

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by ZTT

Thailand, like other developing countries, has (and/or had) a major advantage over the West: extreme ultra poverty. Lucky bastards.

not to take away from your statement, which has good points, but the poor in Thailand live better than the poor in the US.

in fact, the poor in Thailand generally don't even know they are poor. they've been living that way for centuries.

i live in a village full of "extreme ultra poverty", if you consider less than 5% of the households earn more than $100 a month. they don't think they are poor. they go to the temple, they go to the farm, they have huge gardens for food, they have parades and parties.

the poor in the cities are a different story, but that's a tiny minority.

my point = poor countries aren't ghettos like poor neighborhoods in the US.

and yes, the comfortable leisurely American lifestyle caused this constant political and social battle. it happened before the fall of Rome too.



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[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

And it blows my mind that I know owners of major companies that profit off of these folks, our friends in many cases, and yet vote in ways that will destroy them economically and personally. Too many people I have had drinks and good times with that simply disgust me now.

If tubes didn’t decimate the industry causing 90% of the affiliates to leave, there would still be 2 very distinct sides to porn. When the affiliates left, the thieves took over (tubes) and the remora of tubes (cam sites). When tubes became the main method of distribution, both sides of the industry became melded, ‘not necessarily’ by choice, and the magazines/publications , the grifters that they are, pushed it out of necessity, astroturfed it is 1 industry. Possibly now it is, sort of, but it’s a joke of its former self compared to the mid 2000’s when company reps and affiliates outnumbered the eye candy—let’s face it, overall webmasters / reps / ceo’s in this industry aren't the most photogenic, but I’m no “Thor the log chopper” myself.

Shows are dead. If there were as many people in the industry now as back then, as slovenly as they were, there would be more bifurcation today. The publications would all go broke if they weren’t forced to maintain the semblance of cohesion.

In the end, everyone has a right to work here, and earn a living and that’s that. I would just prefer if there was an entry page to the publications that had categories before diving in. That’s my only issue which I think is reasonable if not a bit “old fashioned.”

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by plsureking

not to take away from your statement, which has good points, but the poor in Thailand live better than the poor in the US.

in fact, the poor in Thailand generally don't even know they are poor. they've been living that way for centuries.

i live in a village full of "extreme ultra poverty", if you consider less than 5% of the households earn more than $100 a month. they don't think they are poor. they go to the temple, they go to the farm, they have huge gardens for food, they have parades and parties.

the poor in the cities are a different story, but that's a tiny minority.

my point = poor countries aren't ghettos like poor neighborhoods in the US.

and yes, the comfortable leisurely American lifestyle caused this constant political and social battle. it happened before the fall of Rome too.



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Spot on (your last paragraph). The downfall on the social side was social media, and human emotions being algorithmically trafficked and that capacitance discharged towards something else that has an equivalent emotional charge/potential. Add in a reward / penalty based system like in group validation, and within 2 years an industry that fucks ass & and has a shit covered rod jammed down ones throat are fighting over face coverings.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it was pretty fucking dumb from the start. no one under 18 exists to us on any side of the set or device. anybody 18 or over is fair game (if they have a credit card). what excites you? here's a free video

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If you're not paying attention to the way the winds are blowing, I think you're a moron.

The cultural war is heating up, and I wouldn't be shocked if they come after 18+ porn next!

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

You're the one who has been bitching about not being able to hack it in adult in 2023. A lot of people are doing just fine (and some of us are making "plane full of snow" money).

At this point, I think Duke is right and that most affiliates have been pushed out by the tube site thieves.

The whole reason I made this thread is because, I feel, like the backlash is slowly building to porn, and the people who will want to ban porn will be the people who point to under-18 people transitioning and link it to easy access to pornography for minors. Then the legions of people whipped up by politics will come after the adult industry.

Then again, maybe the porn industry needs a good purge of the tube sites?

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Huggles

At this point, I think Duke is right and that most affiliates have been pushed out by the tube site thieves.

The whole reason I made this thread is because, I feel, like the backlash is slowly building to porn, and the people who will want to ban porn will be the people who point to under-18 people transitioning and link it to easy access to pornography for minors. Then the legions of people whipped up by politics will come after the adult industry.

Then again, maybe the porn industry needs a good purge of the tube sites?

It is. As they inevitably blame everything on porn. They will motte/bailey attack it with shifting definitions. Only recently have conservatards started engaging in linguistic warfare in the sphere of culture. Before that it remained downstream with memetic names for bills like the “patriot act.” Now both sides use their definitions in a motte/bailey tactic depending on which definition is appropriate for that specific situation.

The shitlibs typically win culture wars, but with their duplicitous terms, they are setting themselves up because the conservatards are now not only using the same words, but the same dictionary; and like it or not, agree with it or not, (not questioning anyones position) they are using the lefts illogic from me too and believe all women to apply this Salemesqe outrage and tactics to every possible point of failure they can.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Huggles

At this point, I think Duke is right and that most affiliates have been pushed out by the tube site thieves.

The whole reason I made this thread is because, I feel, like the backlash is slowly building to porn, and the people who will want to ban porn will be the people who point to under-18 people transitioning and link it to easy access to pornography for minors. Then the legions of people whipped up by politics will come after the adult industry.

Then again, maybe the porn industry needs a good purge of the tube sites?

Also what’s happening is the nuts are joining forces. You have Marxist feminists, a neo straight edge movement called “no fap” which continues to lean more right year after year, and these 2 groups of loons are teaming up with the loons of all loons, the bible thumpers.

Interesting times