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Age Verification = Death to your porn site
I have been on a few sites that have added age verification.
It seems rubbish. I suspect 99% just leave and go to a site that does not have it. Those that have it, it is junk. One uses your mobile to scan your face. I am sure that it would think some under 18's are adults. And often when you go back to a site you have to do the age verification again as they do not store your data. I suspect most sites will ignore the age verification to be honest. But if your add age verification, I would suspect your profits will drop huge to the point many will just close there website. This is my prediction that most sites that add age verification will be closed in a few years. I also suspect affiliates will not bother to promote then as they too will end up with zero sales.
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Dvtimes ! Long time No see
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I thought AV, especially in France & England, has or is becoming mandatory. Especially the UK, with fines given to British site owners who do not commit to AV, & banned from UK web search if worldwide. I also understand that most sites will oblige with AV schemes & companies providing access to their DB, so not only will surfers be able to sign up & show documents to just one site, logically once accessed, their ID can be & will be repeated on all the sites signed up to one of these AV companies. Besides if this AV business does become mandatory, logically it would help sales, with the understanding, if free sites have to use AV, then paying for porn seems a worthwhile access once again, considering the hassle of AV, the surfer has had to commit to... Anyway, thatīs our take on it ![]()
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As far as America goes:
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Well, as someone who barely makes any money now, this might be a good thing for me!
Day 2 of $0 and 0 food again. Simply an issue of not getting paid on time, I guess the affiliate payments just come "whenever" now and I have to adjust. If they ban porn, I bet I'll find a way to make more money with fully-clothed or censored porn or something. Maybe AVS style sites will make a comeback.
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Porn will move offshore, when it becomes mandatory in the US and Western Europe. So someone will make a killing on it.
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I think there is a little misinformation in this thread. I agree that age verification will have a net negative effect on the industry and I think webmasters will suffer financially for it. Then again, Discord is doing it in certain regions so it might be less impactful than we think.
However, both the age verification service (or Know Your Customer company,) and the team implementing that age verification service, have equal responsibility as to how effective AVS is. Not to mention that no matter who you go with, you need to do the research to ensure that it meets your legal requirements, since you are ultimately responsible for that. With my software package, LoginBlue, and the two firms that I chose to integrate (so far,) iDenfy and VerifyMy, the user has a fairly seamless experience which is permanently tied to their user account. Once they verify, unless there is some reason to void that verification, the user's "age status" is permanently tied to their account, and the age verification service is trusted to retain the proof, not my implementation. Here's the flow I implemented: After they sign in, they are asked to two-factor, and after that, they are asked to verify their identity. I find that age estimation is kind of a worthless implementation and is not safe to use. I don't think this will work for everyone, and if you wanted to do something like this, you would need your lawyer to sign off on it. There are a lot of poor implementations that I've come across, but as I said, AVS is half service selection, and half developer team implementation.
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For instance, Tennessee requires that you RE-authenticate the ID every hour on the hour. As I understand it...they are NOT allowing you to tie an ID to a user account. The verification must be done fresh everytime they arrive at your website. What you are saying makes perfect sense...but the object here isn't to keep minors off of porn sites. The goal is to make it impossible to comply and shut us down. Until the Supreme Court weighs in, it's useless to try and implement anything. It's either going to be struck down in the US (can't speak for the rest of the world of course) OR a uniform standard will have to be created. |
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I agree with you with what the goal is, to destroy adult, and there is a particular trend with which states are trying their hardest. I'm suggesting that the risk be taken on by the age verification companies. I would generally agree with you that we should wait for the Supreme Court, but I think the lawsuits that have already been filed provide enough incentive to do something sooner rather than later.
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AV will damage free porn quite a bit, so if you are a creative affiliate and can convey in words what users can't see you will do just fine.
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itīs the free porn that most will not verify for. Those that pay for porn will effectively be ok showing ID as they were going to give credit cards or go through payment processing anyway ![]()
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AVS laws in their current state are unsustainable for legit free sites, which means your best affiliates will start losing their premium traffic to site operators who dont need to worry about US and UK laws, and by extension, wont care if you get the traffic either.
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geez... Obviously brains in your cock, coz no brains in your head, stupidity at itīs best ![]() Oh and this business was made from girls enjoying sex... & now most have the brains to make it on their own, not needing twats like the idiot SpicyMīs in the world. I own all my content, over 1600 scenes, 6 BBFC DVD releases & I earn my own income. Not so stupid huh ![]()
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aww come on, he did produce another stupid thread bringing the shit from the gutters...
I miss DV ![]()
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https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...ages-july.html more of an enquiry regarding the UK AV, but still, but of a broken record ![]()
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But I assume you're glad he's not dead. Even though you're not happy that he's posting again.
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Maybe because youīre "so stupid"
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we sometimes still post on BGAFD & now in Spain, the EGAFD site too ![]()
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Question: will you need Age Verification for SFW tours? No nudity, no sex, little black boxes over all the naughty bits....yay or nay?
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I'll simply remove all HC pics from the tour, this should be fine for the beginning.
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Big brands are running SFW tours and doing AV either before or after accepting a credit card. |
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This reminds me of porn in a brown paper bag from decades ago. Or we going back to that?? I wonder how this would affect softcore sites, like girls in bikinis (no nudity). The "intent" is to whack off - or is it? Maybe I just appreciate pretty girls in bikinis. Or sites like smoking fetish where the models are fully clothed, just sitting on a stool holding a Marlboro. The "intent" (I assume, fetish is not my thing) is to sexually turn on the customer so he can whack it. Or maybe they just are really into Marlboros... It's all so silly! What if we find out guys are jacking off to weather girls or tv presenters? Guess they gotta be age verified too eh? ![]()
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Yes it certainly was. A few years ago I looked it up on web.archive.org and was actually able to read a lot of the forum posts. Now it doesn't seem they are available to view which is a shame.
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At least da libz got pwnd and Trump saved the world from the Trannies tho. That's the important part.
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Shut the fuck up you fucking whiner.
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the images would have to be sfw, clean, no sexual act... although, i read nudity is ok, as long as itīs "art" & not "pornographic" ![]() ![]() Quote:
Personally, earning more from paid tubes than the freebie tubes, Iīd have thought this could be a good turn. Asking the paying surfers to show AV & the free loaders will either have to jerk off to nothing or come & join the payers, unless theyīre ok using the AV for the free stuff ![]() Quote:
text is allowed, so filthy descriptions & clean images, should get higher sales rates in the long term if the AV sticks ![]() Quote:
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Piracy will profit simply because they are offshore and users rather get pirated content than verify themselves.
As with every law you only get the ones who obey your law, not the ones outside your reach. What happens with X? They were very adult friendly and it's secretly one of the biggest porn sites. Would guess Musk rather fully bans adult than scanning faces and collecting data. |
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Age verification doesn't have to be the end of your porn site, and it doesn't need to hurt your traffic or sales either.
As Cerulean said, "Know your customer" is a key tenet of running a successful business, and an Age Verification System goes a long way toward achieving this. We have developed an AVS that anyone can try on their own website for free. It's called AI-Verify, and here's how it works: First, you install a simple one-line script that we provide, which you control. Once enabled, it examines the origin of your traffic. If a user is from a region where AVS is required, such as Florida, they will be informed that age verification is necessary, and then the system will perform age verification using their webcam and AI. All age verification is done in-browser. The user's face is neither transmitted nor stored anywhere, and the verification takes only a few seconds. If the user is determined to be an adult, they may continue using your site; otherwise, they will be redirected to a URL of your choice. The system offers numerous configuration options, such as redirecting traffic to SFW versions of your site without AI age detection. A "Data Collection Mode" shows you how much traffic you receive before enabling AI detection mode, helping you determine the best way to use it. You can add or remove regions at any time, and you have access to statistics on where your traffic comes from, how many people were AI verified, their average ages, and more. We all agree that adult verification requirements are frustrating, but when you think about it, we knew this was coming. If you want to know more about our system please visit https://www.2much.net/ai-verify.php. If you would like to try a free demo please contact me at https://www.2much.net/contact.php On a related note, I'm pretty sure that the laws can be overturned with your voice. If you live in one of the affected areas, you may want to consider voting against these individuals in the next election: Alabama (AL): Kay Ivey (Republican) Arkansas (AR): Sarah Huckabee Sanders (Republican) Florida (FL): Ron DeSantis (Republican) Idaho (ID): Brad Little (Republican) Indiana (IN): Eric Holcomb (Republican) Kansas (KS): Laura Kelly (Democrat) Kentucky (KY): Andy Beshear (Democrat) Louisiana (LA): Jeff Landry (Republican) Montana (MT): Greg Gianforte (Republican) Mississippi (MS): Tate Reeves (Republican) Nebraska (NE): Jim Pillen (Republican) North Carolina (NC): Josh Stein (Democrat) Oklahoma (OK): Kevin Stitt (Republican) South Carolina (SC): Henry McMaster (Republican) Tennessee (TN): Bill Lee (Republican) Texas (TX): Greg Abbott (Republican) Utah (UT): Spencer Cox (Republican) Virginia (VA): Glenn Youngkin (Republican) Cheers!
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Believe it or not, I don't actually have a problem with this law. If think about it, asking someone to just declare they are 18 to gain access to a site is probably the most rediculous thing in history. Of course 100% of minors seeking porn will click the 18+ button. With all the tech available today, forcing sites to actually do something to prevent access to minors is not unreasonable.
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Easiest solution is to have two sites, one site that is open to the world, and a 2nd site where you re-direct everyone that you block access to your first site from, that you funnel to your 2nd site that has nothing but a clothed tour and join page links for XXX sites that people need to sign up on to get access to nude content on.
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To your PornLaw comment, & yes, I do believe, it will be through the world, & why not, when it becomes viable & takes to the EU & most of the US, Iīd have thought the world will take this on. & your own comment, hence why we were happy to go .xxx, before knowing the .com to my site was taken, the .xxx was always an idea we were going to go anyway... to only show my content to surfers looking for porn. We should protect the youth of today, just making surfing simple, so when looking for porn, you find it, when surfing for a big bush, you can find a green tree growing for education ![]() Quote:
no problem for those with current sites, making a SFW site, like a blog, Iīll probably remove all my filthy images & keep it clean & therefore not need an AV for my blog, shall be accessible & read for anyone, but of course, the filthy text we write without AI, itīs noticably dirty ![]()
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As the brokest dude in gfy's history, with daily reminders about it and who's fault it is for us in case we ever forgot for a moment, it's hard to compute how you feel qualified to give this reply... especially in this thread 🤣 That reply is the richest you've been so far. Translate that into a 💰. You're in a privileged position here at the moment as a non-American. Hurry tho, because once we make y'all the 51st state your moment will be up and AV laws will replace the vaccine as your excuse for stuff. |
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you did post regarding TV! While I personally find TV strange & different, TVīs have a life too & if they want to be as they are, then free will, as is wanting to be a different sex... Trumpīs an ass, heīs destroying the US & the world movement of commodities ![]() Itīs not politics here, so your post shouldnīt even be posted here ![]() And letīs not forget, the "brokest dude" hereīs probably DV, the thread owner, so letīs not go down finances ![]() #justsaying
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The flow might look like this: User from Florida? Yes. - > SFW Tour -> Ready To Join=Yes? -> AgeVerify>18=Yes? -> Create Token - > Complete Purchase -> Bind Token - > Proceed to Members area. The idea is that now if the feds knock on your door, they will ask to see that your paying member was actually age verified. It sounds complicated but it is actually not too hard to do.
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It's not about all users switching to piracy, but a yet unknown amount will rather use piracy than doing a face id scan.
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