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Old 10-03-2003, 07:42 AM   #1
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Not every content provider is kissing arse for business.

Just told a guy on ICQ that he could take his $2200 and stick it where the sun does not shine. Well did not say that but after a lot of negotiating I finally told him we do not need his money.

I was offering the standard deal that is open to everyone on www.paulmarkham.com 7 sets or videos for $200. As he was after mostly boy-girl and girl-girl images sets and videos that is a 40% discount.

Which was not enough for him, so he asked if I do something better as he was going to spend a lot of money. So I said if he can pay by check or wire he could have an extra 10%

No he had to pay with his Credit Card and would have the 10% anyway.

That was the point I told him thank you but, NO THANKS.

There are some content providers who are suffering, mainly because they simply do not produce the goods. The clients they sell to cannot resell to the surfer, the ultimate client, or they simply cannot sell. So they will bend over and supply the lube for anyone with $100.

We are not one of those. We will do our best to help and provide the best product and service we can manage. But we are not desperate for $2200. Why?

Doing very nicely thank you.
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Old 10-03-2003, 09:43 AM   #2
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I agree with you on that, some people are looking for too good of a deal doesn't matter if you are in design, content or software.Sometimes you just can't bend to the prices and deals they want.
In the software side of things, a lot of people don't know what certain things will take (time) and they don't know how much programmers go for these days, so its credit towards them.
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Not every content provider is spamming multiple boards with this kind of thread either.
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heheh very true Aaron.

but i know if i was looking for teen content i would go straight to him for sure.
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coming from a guy who EMAILS CONTENT DEALS 42 times a week, yeah youre not arse kising.

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heheh very true Aaron.

but i know if i was looking for teen content i would go straight to him for sure.
As true as that may be....Paul does not need this kind of Ego boost.
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Old 10-03-2003, 10:34 AM   #10
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coming from a guy who EMAILS CONTENT DEALS 42 times a week, yeah youre not arse kising.

hahaha
You either have multiple entries on my list, meaning you signed up multiple times, you can't count or you exagerate slightly.

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As true as that may be....Paul does not need this kind of Ego boost.
Yes Paul does.

Was just so mad with the guy, he was one of those who can get everything for $2.50 elsewhere but insists on wasting my time. He came back and asked if he had upset me. I told him yes.

But did a deal for $1,500 a month tonight shooting custom for mobile phones. Ten, 3 minute videos clips at $150 each. Now that was sweet.
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Old 10-03-2003, 10:45 AM   #11
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I've turned down a couple of multi-thousand $ offers in the past. Now I know better...

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Old 10-03-2003, 11:00 AM   #12
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mainly because they simply do not produce the goods
Paul, what do you think how many offer a week I get like " I will buy the whole content...., but I do not pay more than 0.01 cents... 1000nds of others I have already done this deal"

Do you realy think we can do this? For about half of the producers we are acting as an agency, do you realy think the producer will ever accept to send out there stuff for this kind of price?
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This market has changed.

4 years ago it was still new and lots of opportunities for anyone who could put up a site or point a camera. Now it's different and some are suffering, they will sell everything for anything they can get.

The problem is simple any clown can shoot like a newbie and they have saturated the "Amateur Photographer" market. Too many sites, too many shooters and too few skills.

Some have inventories that are four years old and if they sell it for 100,000 pics at $0.01 each. that is $1,000 they would not have made. Their clients are unlikely to return.

We shoot something few can shoot and we do it well, that is why we cost more. Our clients come back all the time. We do not have to give it away to sell it.

A pile of dung is still shit and still smells. 1% CB is going to cull a lot.
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Old 10-03-2003, 02:21 PM   #14
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I have found that the best content, is the best price I can get on it..

I was able to get all of fresh photos for 5k, all the could9 for 2500, all the faproductions for like 1800, all of hot amateur mpegs for 999..

As well as all the other crap that I have accrued over my 100 years in this biz..

and my favorite content? Is the best deal I get!

Cause after a while.. you realize.. hey recurrings are gonna suck no matter what.. may as well save money!
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I have found that the best content, is the best price I can get on it..

I was able to get all of fresh photos for 5k, all the could9 for 2500, all the faproductions for like 1800, all of hot amateur mpegs for 999..

As well as all the other crap that I have accrued over my 100 years in this biz..

and my favorite content? Is the best deal I get!

Cause after a while.. you realize.. hey recurrings are gonna suck no matter what.. may as well save money!
Your problem could be that you do not know how to select the right "good" content. Your recurrings suck, not everyones do.

Or the whole idea of exclusivity or unsaturated is BS, which I'm starting to think is right. My top money making sets are on www.bargainbasementcontent.com selling at $5 to $15 each.

I think the market is three levels, one is just filler and any old crap will do, the next is good stuff that will convert and keep surfer, but you have to add 5 sets a day. Then exclusive assuming it is good exclusive and not crap.

The problem now is the guy who gets inside a site and decides it isn't worth it or has seen it all before and will charge back instead of cancelling.
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The right business needs the right offer and here's mine:

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If you buy large quantaties, a different price can be negotiated
For more information contact any of our people [email protected] or 173128095
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The right business needs the right offer and here's mine:

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Are you saying Fresh, Cloud9, FA, and HotAm are not "good"??

Dem's fighting words! LOL.

MakeFuck, you happy with your purchase? Is it "good"??
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Too cheap to get your own fucking thread? heh
I don't give a fuck what you've got to say. GFY is a strange place, people spam THEIR shit but when it comes to a little compitition they start flaming their competitor. If your pussy ass can offer a better deal than mine, please do your best, If not, shut your mouth and move out of the way.
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I don't give a fuck what you've got to say. GFY is a strange place, people spam THEIR shit but when it comes to a little compitition they start flaming their competitor. If your pussy ass can offer a better deal than mine, please do your best, If not, shut your mouth and move out of the way.

DONT TALK TO A LADY THAT WAY YOU FUCKIN COMMUNIST FREAK
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I am extremely pleased with my purchase..
especially all the money I saved..heck the competition wanted like 6k!

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We shoot 90% exclusive and custom, but can't resist having fun and tossing the girls some extra $$$ for some short and fun niche related shoots, so we started our content store. Prices are cheap, quality is high, and our regular customers that buy volume, we offer 50% off those prices.

We've never really pushed our store except a freebie offer once a month on this board that picks up a few new customers each month. Sales haven't even paid talent costs yet to produce them ...so why do we offer these deals:

Simple: Our custom/exclusive biz pays the bills and a little more. The extra work for the girls gets them bringing in more talent. The deals brings us more custom and exclusive work, which is what I've seen is happening more and more. Works for the webmasters looking for deals and works for our long term biz plan.

We shoot every day, have 5 video editors trying to keep up with us....some deals are just plain marketing strategy...take advantage of them.
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I don't give a fuck what you've got to say. GFY is a strange place, people spam THEIR shit but when it comes to a little compitition they start flaming their competitor. If your pussy ass can offer a better deal than mine, please do your best, If not, shut your mouth and move out of the way.
Heh.. if I felt you were a threat, I would take you seriously. Terribly sorry, I just can't bring myself to do that. You sure speak english really well when you're telling people off. Makes me kinda wonder..
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I don't give a fuck what you've got to say. GFY is a strange place, people spam THEIR shit but when it comes to a little compitition they start flaming their competitor. If your pussy ass can offer a better deal than mine, please do your best, If not, shut your mouth and move out of the way.
Step off, dude. Lady Mischief wasn't slamming you at all, and if you had any sense of humor at all you'd see that she was teasing you like everyone else does to everyone else. Can't take a joke? Then perhaps you should consider re-evaluating (yes, it's a big word, go look it up) your infantile insecurities before attempting to make a living at "content production".

Now go make your own spam thread and stay out of charly's.
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"Lady" - this is only nick name...
Are You sure what is man - woman?
I don't know too many guys who use "Lady" in their name.. do you? heh.
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Step off, dude. Lady Mischief wasn't slamming you at all, and if you had any sense of humor at all you'd see that she was teasing you like everyone else does to everyone else. Can't take a joke? Then perhaps you should consider re-evaluating (yes, it's a big word, go look it up) your infantile insecurities before attempting to make a living at "content production".

Now go make your own spam thread and stay out of charly's.
Yeah, my intention was more to say "Hey, it's not cool to come in and hijack someone else's spam thread". It's not. It's unprofessional and makes you look extremely desperate.

Wait, here we go again. The truth hurts, I guess
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Yeah, my intention was more to say "Hey, it's not cool to come in and hijack someone else's spam thread". It's not. It's unprofessional and makes you look extremely desperate.

Wait, here we go again. The truth hurts, I guess
Nerts. Insecurity is better than no security at all, I guess.
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Yeah, my intention was more to say "Hey, it's not cool to come in and hijack someone else's spam thread". It's not. It's unprofessional and makes you look extremely desperate.

Wait, here we go again. The truth hurts, I guess
Sorry I have tired from your attacks...
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Sorry I have tired from your attacks...
What attacks per se? I find your switching from garbled, barely understandable english to full sentances with proper puncutation and the use of large words you probably couldn't say, let alone spell highly amusing. I don't think that's an attack at all. And if I'm guilty of getting a damn good chuckle out of that, then 99% of GFY is guilty too.
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What attacks per se? I find your switching from garbled, barely understandable english to full sentances with proper puncutation and the use of large words you probably couldn't say, let alone spell highly amusing. I don't think that's an attack at all. And if I'm guilty of getting a damn good chuckle out of that, then 99% of GFY is guilty too.
the next provocation!?
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the next provocation!?
Shaddup MixFucko. You and your split personality.
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Sorry I have tired from your attacks...
Go cry a fucking river and float your ass out to sea, sharkbait. I've never seen her attack you until this, and this wasn't even an attack. Grow some balls.
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I love hijacking spam threads... seems like the best place to do it...

Besides... I am never very good at starting my own...



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and then give me your money. I will take your measly 25 dollars with a fucking smile. I know have a kick ass lunch for me and my girl tomorrow. It is all in a days work.

You want to spend about 1000. I will hook you up like you never believed.

You want to call it filler? Fine with me. Everybody needs some filler in the middle.

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Old 10-04-2003, 09:44 PM   #39
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Besides... I am never very good at starting my own...



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Old 10-04-2003, 09:47 PM   #40
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Exclusive video for sale!

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Hey hambone. What about a link to your exclusive video? How do we know how it looks. No wonder content providers are suffering.
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Old 10-04-2003, 10:06 PM   #42
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Nice but....

windows media player does not even support avi anymore so I cannot even play them..

and the girl is hot the guy is good enough but your lighting... You either need to white balance the camera or better yet use balanced bulbs.

But for 300 bucks that content is a real bargain. I think you will sale (thanks groove) it by the end of tonight.

I may buy it for sobegirl if you are so inclined....

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Old 10-04-2003, 10:10 PM   #43
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Nice but....

windows media player does not even support avi anymore so I cannot even play them..

and the girl is hot the guy is good enough but your lighting... You either need to white balance the camera or better yet use balanced bulbs.

But for 300 bucks that content is a real bargain. I think you will sale (thanks groove) it by the end of tonight.

I may buy it for sobegirl if you are so inclined....

http://download.divx.com/divx/divxpro505gainbundle.exe

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Old 10-04-2003, 10:17 PM   #44
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Ya, I install that exe and all the video playback is completly fucked up on my computer. No thank you.

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Old 10-04-2003, 10:23 PM   #45
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:11 AM   #46
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Good exclusive content and daily updates retain members. At least thats what works for me. I never buy crappy content and I don't mind paying if it is good
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:25 AM   #47
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Good exclusive content and daily updates retain members. At least thats what works for me. I never buy crappy content and I don't mind paying if it is good
well said.
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:40 AM   #48
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we love our customers & try to help em with all kinds of advice about content & programs that encode them etc.
And we don't push em to buy. I like them to decide for themselves to buy or not. If not, maybe later because we were helpfull. I'd rather see them buying a few titles and see them come back for more then I would stuff them with too many titles at once where they might be feeling bad about afterwards.

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Old 10-05-2003, 03:45 AM   #50
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Exclusive video for sale!

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$300 per movie if you buy 20
50% now and 50% in 3 months

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I'm sorry but you have a lot to learn. This is not the place for newbies to start wars with established people and then spam your stuff.

As for what your content is worth, you could not sell it to me for me to resell. Stop bitching and go and learn the business, shooting porn and then marketing it. At the moment you know little about either.
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