Acacia Finally Sent Me My Papers - GoFuckYourself.com

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 11:50 AM

They are coming after me for having my portfolio!

what a joke.

ill throw this away like the rest of the crap mail.

'You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website without a license'

:orglaugh

CAHEK · 10-22-2003, 11:50 AM

BRISK · 10-22-2003, 11:51 AM

You have video in your portfolio? Where?

brand0n · 10-22-2003, 11:51 AM

fuck man never good

hope for the best and expect the worst

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
You have video in your portfolio? Where?

I have movie galleries I guess.

Ive done hundreds of them.

Brad-Wishing · 10-22-2003, 11:52 AM

I wrote a nice email to them from a hotmail account.

Subject "Good work guys!"
Body went something like this:

"You guys are awesome. I love how you're cracking down on the adult industry.
Putting out hundreds of business owners and family supporters with a patent you KNOW is bullshit is a really classy way to get rich fast.
You all will burn in hell - but at the rate you're going, you'll have hundreds of people running to burn you ALIVE.

Congrats, and die in a fire."

rooster · 10-22-2003, 11:52 AM

one thing I wonder is the law on 'dips'. It seems they are trying to triple dip.

JamesK · 10-22-2003, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
I wrote a nice email to them from a hotmail account.

Subject "Good work guys!"
Body went something like this:

"You guys are awesome. I love how you're cracking down on the adult industry.
Putting out hundreds of business owners and family supporters with a patent you KNOW is bullshit is a really classy way to get rich fast.
You all will burn in hell - but at the rate you're going, you'll have hundreds of people running to burn you ALIVE.

Congrats, and die in a fire."

BRISK · 10-22-2003, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I have movie galleries I guess.

Ive done hundreds of them.

I don't see any of the movie galleries in your portfolio linking to videos though.

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK

I don't see any of the movie galleries in your portfolio linking to videos though.

The papers do not even give a URL, just a threat and that I have until November 30 to pay

hahaha

BRISK · 10-22-2003, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
I wrote a nice email to them from a hotmail account.

Subject "Good work guys!"
Body went something like this:

"You guys are awesome. I love how you're cracking down on the adult industry.
Putting out hundreds of business owners and family supporters with a patent you KNOW is bullshit is a really classy way to get rich fast.
You all will burn in hell - but at the rate you're going, you'll have hundreds of people running to burn you ALIVE.

Congrats, and die in a fire."

Good work on that anonymous email, except that Acacia probably reads this board, so now they know that email came from you.

JDog · 10-22-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I have movie galleries I guess.

Ive done hundreds of them.

With actual movies on the templates? Because you just design templates, don't you?

jDoG

Brad-Wishing · 10-22-2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK

Good work on that anonymous email, except that Acacia probably reads this board, so now they know that email came from you.

Troof.

Oh well - we have no video anywhere, and on a personal level I am in Canada. So whatever.

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog

With actual movies on the templates? Because you just design templates, don't you?

jDoG

Nah, I do tons of shit thats not in my portfolio.

I am guessing they got me from this board for the most part.

Since they do not give a url or any info other than c/net papers about their company and a single paper saying I am infringing.

No details given, only the strongarm.

JDog · 10-22-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK

Good work on that anonymous email, except that Acacia probably reads this board, so now they know that email came from you.

Yea, probably now they do!

jDoG

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 11:58 AM

Regardless of where I have any movies, its safe to say I DO NOT OPERATE a movie site so they can come try to get whatever they want.

BRISK · 10-22-2003, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

The papers do not even give a URL, just a threat and that I have until November 30 to pay

hahaha

The papers I got didn't have a URL on them either.

Sly_RJ · 10-22-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

The papers do not even give a URL, just a threat and that I have until November 30 to pay

hahaha

I wonder if they have addresses of yours documented anywhere.

JDog · 10-22-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Nah, I do tons of shit thats not in my portfolio.

I am guessing they got me from this board for the most part.

Since they do not give a url or any info other than c/net papers about their company and a single paper saying I am infringing.

No details given, only the strongarm.

That's bullshit! They have to give you proof of what they want you to pay for and where you're using it! Ah, throw it away with your junk mail, like you said.

jDoG

JDog · 10-22-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Regardless of where I have any movies, its safe to say I DO NOT OPERATE a movie site so they can come try to get whatever they want.

Exactly, you don't generate your money from "movies" So how can they get a royality fee?

jDoG

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:02 PM

Yeah these guys are delusional at best if they are now targetting designers as relaying 'audio/video' content.

just too fucking funny.

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog

Exactly, you don't generate your money from "movies" So how can they get a royality fee?

jDoG

I agree, these guys are barking up the wrong tree.

pamphage · 10-22-2003, 12:04 PM

i wonder how they find people and what their criteria is for deciding who to sue? strange they would pick on a designer

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pamphage
i wonder how they find people and what their criteria is for deciding who to sue? strange the would pick on a designer

They surf this board, select target, aim, fire.

Just a bunch of scavengers.

I am guessing because I made free IMPA banners for the company.

Ill have to put them back up!

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:06 PM

maybe they view animations as video hahaha

<img src=http://www.fletchxxx.com/banners/fletchxxx-impa-banner.gif border="0">

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:13 PM

I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!!

these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS.

this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS.

they are using webmaster databases to contact people.

Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./

LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.

I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this.

I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them.

And I surely will not push such a company.

you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down.

doober · 10-22-2003, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Nah, I do tons of shit thats not in my portfolio.

I am guessing they got me from this board for the most part.

Since they do not give a url or any info other than c/net papers about their company and a single paper saying I am infringing.

No details given, only the strongarm.

Received the same this morning, addressed to "ladies and gentlemen"...what a bunch of circus clowns...
They ask us to pay yet have no mention of what the urls that are infringing are or any other pertinent info.

true morons

rooster · 10-22-2003, 12:15 PM

my guess is on hustler being the fredo of the industry

pamphage · 10-22-2003, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!!

these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS.

this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS.

they are using webmaster databases to contact people.

Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./

LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.

I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this.

I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them.

And I surely will not push such a company.

you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down.

wow that's fuxxored

doober · 10-22-2003, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!!

these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS.

this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS.

they are using webmaster databases to contact people.

Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./

LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.

I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this.

I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them.

And I surely will not push such a company.

you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down.

check this out

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=188753

I have a really good feeling about who it is, and it aint any of the boyz mentioned in the letter either

pamphage · 10-22-2003, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
my guess is on hustler being the fredo of the industry

i'll take care of it
<IMG src=http://www.johnderosa.com/films_images/mike_looks_fredo.jpg>

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober

check this out

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=188753

I have a really good feeling about who it is, and it aint any of the boyz mentioned in the letter either

It will all come out in time, im guessing Hustler is where my info was taken.

guessing though, could be wrong.

doubt it though

johnbosh · 10-22-2003, 12:24 PM

what about all this threats, do every movie gallery webmaster get one ore something?

pamphage · 10-22-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

It will all come out in time, im guessing Hustler is where my info was taken.

guessing though, could be wrong.

doubt it though

thanks for the info. glad i never pimped out flynt sites.

BRISK · 10-22-2003, 12:26 PM

Suddenly I'm glad I never promoted Hustler.

doober · 10-22-2003, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pamphage

thanks for the info. glad i never pimped out flynt sites.

I can gurantee that hustler didnt give out my info, since i never pushed any of their products

another large one that isnt mentioned in their "letter"

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:28 PM

doober you can email me anything with extreme confidentiality and I will not pass it on, i want to find out who it is.

I cannot pin pioint it to Hustler, but it has to have been someone!

hhehehe

email me

fletch @ fletchxxx dot com

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:30 PM

It highly offends me and makes me nervoous that a company with my social security # and full residential and personal info is passing it on to some ambulance chasing patent crooks.

who are now contacting and threatening me at my home.

did they give them my phone number too? Robert bermann gonna call my home and threaten me?

BlackCrayon · 10-22-2003, 12:30 PM

holy fuck affilate programs selling webmasters up the river, how fucked is that. once its determined who is doing it ALL webmasters should ban together and stop pushing their shit. what a bunch of judas fucks.

goBigtime · 10-22-2003, 12:31 PM

FXXX - Don't throw that shit out man.

You might consider allowing someone in the defense team use it. I think I remember them asking about that sort of thing awhile back? (People getting license requests/demands who weren't infringing.)

Furious_Male · 10-22-2003, 12:32 PM

I can understand a company making some sort of settlement with Acacia for there own good but if that settlement involves giving out there affiliate database that is total bullshit.

pamphage · 10-22-2003, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober

I can gurantee that hustler didnt give out my info, since i never pushed any of their products

another large one that isnt mentioned in their "letter"

wonder if they gave out your income stats too, and if they are sending them out to everyone in the database or just those who seem lucrative.

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
FXXX - Don't throw that shit out man.

You might consider allowing someone in the defense team use it. I think I remember them asking about that sort of thing awhile back? (People getting license requests/demands who weren't infringing.)

I wasnt going to throw it away man, just a figure of speech, I keep all these papers.

SetTheWorldonFire · 10-22-2003, 12:35 PM

I got the same shit

Fletch XXX · 10-22-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Male
I can understand a company making some sort of settlement with Acacia for there own good but if that settlement involves giving out there affiliate database that is total bullshit.

Well considering I do not run any paysites it seems they are CLEARLY getting this info from somewhere.

Where better than the source? Why track people down when you can just grab a list of all the people who push say hustler or Platyinum Bucks and target those.

By theory if you bought Matrix content, all acacia would have to do is get Matrix to hand over all their records and contact all the people who bought videos from them.

Seems the easiest route.

Furious_Male · 10-22-2003, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Well considering I do not run any paysites it seems they are CLEARLY getting this info from somewhere.

Where better than the source? Why track people down when you can just grab a list of all the people who push say hustler or Platyinum Bucks and target those.

By theory if you bought Matrix content, all acacia would have to do is get Matrix to hand over all their records and contact all the people who bought videos from them.

Seems the easiest route.

Well I hope you can narrow it down. Thats just wrong. You have to wonder if the information was purchased by Acacia or was part of the actual settlement with one of these companies.

Gemini · 10-22-2003, 12:40 PM

Serve them Fletch and find out which turned you and then sue them for invasion of privay or some such. I'm sure an attorney can find some way to do it. Run up the sponsors tabs beyond what they would pay for caving in for a full price license.

Or small claims them (if possible) in whatever state you live in when they turn each person over. 3-5k a whack wil nickel and dime them into thinking twice before making such agreements.

iwantchixx · 10-22-2003, 12:40 PM

holy jesus on a bicycle!

I always thought that sponsors could NOT give out personal information, but then again they could easily change their TOS to make it all legal for them. I will be watching this thread closely and know who NOT to deal with

jeroman · 10-22-2003, 12:45 PM

Acacia is smart people, it's the system that is fucked up.

What is this paranoia shit with being so anonymous
when talking about Acacia ??

Acacia leprosa 'Scarlet Blaze'

NetRodent · 10-22-2003, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CAHEK

Don't laugh. Acacia will be coming after you for your sig.

10-22-2003, 11:50 AM	#1
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Acacia Finally Sent Me My Papers They are coming after me for having my portfolio! what a joke. ill throw this away like the rest of the crap mail. 'You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website without a license' :orglaugh __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 11:50 AM	#2
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10-22-2003, 11:51 AM	#3
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	You have video in your portfolio? Where? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

10-22-2003, 11:51 AM	#4
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10-22-2003, 11:52 AM	#6
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	I wrote a nice email to them from a hotmail account. Subject "Good work guys!" Body went something like this: "You guys are awesome. I love how you're cracking down on the adult industry. Putting out hundreds of business owners and family supporters with a patent you KNOW is bullshit is a really classy way to get rich fast. You all will burn in hell - but at the rate you're going, you'll have hundreds of people running to burn you ALIVE. Congrats, and die in a fire." __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-22-2003, 11:52 AM	#7
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	one thing I wonder is the law on 'dips'. It seems they are trying to triple dip.

10-22-2003, 11:58 AM	#16
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Regardless of where I have any movies, its safe to say I DO NOT OPERATE a movie site so they can come try to get whatever they want. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 12:02 PM	#21
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Yeah these guys are delusional at best if they are now targetting designers as relaying 'audio/video' content. just too fucking funny. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 12:04 PM	#23
pamphage Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,569	i wonder how they find people and what their criteria is for deciding who to sue? strange they would pick on a designer __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

10-22-2003, 12:06 PM	#25
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	maybe they view animations as video hahaha <img src=http://www.fletchxxx.com/banners/fletchxxx-impa-banner.gif border="0"> __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 12:13 PM	#26
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!! these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS. this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS. they are using webmaster databases to contact people. Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./ LFP (Hustler) Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media Cyberotica Sex Check AVS Matrix Content Vivid Entertainment Wicked Pictures Platinum Bucks. I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this. I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them. And I surely will not push such a company. you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 12:15 PM	#28
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	my guess is on hustler being the fredo of the industry

10-22-2003, 12:24 PM	#33
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	what about all this threats, do every movie gallery webmaster get one ore something?

10-22-2003, 12:26 PM	#35
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Suddenly I'm glad I never promoted Hustler. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

10-22-2003, 12:28 PM	#37
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	doober you can email me anything with extreme confidentiality and I will not pass it on, i want to find out who it is. I cannot pin pioint it to Hustler, but it has to have been someone! hhehehe email me fletch @ fletchxxx dot com __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 12:30 PM	#38
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	It highly offends me and makes me nervoous that a company with my social security # and full residential and personal info is passing it on to some ambulance chasing patent crooks. who are now contacting and threatening me at my home. did they give them my phone number too? Robert bermann gonna call my home and threaten me? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-22-2003, 12:30 PM	#39
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	holy fuck affilate programs selling webmasters up the river, how fucked is that. once its determined who is doing it ALL webmasters should ban together and stop pushing their shit. what a bunch of judas fucks. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

10-22-2003, 12:31 PM	#40
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	FXXX - Don't throw that shit out man. You might consider allowing someone in the defense team use it. I think I remember them asking about that sort of thing awhile back? (People getting license requests/demands who weren't infringing.)

10-22-2003, 12:32 PM	#41
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10-22-2003, 12:35 PM	#44
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10-22-2003, 12:40 PM	#47
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10-22-2003, 12:40 PM	#48
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10-22-2003, 12:45 PM	#49
jeroman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Norway or UK or...damn, where am I Posts: 356	Acacia is smart people, it's the system that is fucked up. What is this paranoia shit with being so anonymous when talking about Acacia ?? Acacia leprosa 'Scarlet Blaze'