Update and Question to Paysite webmasters - GoFuckYourself.com

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 10:29 AM

Ok so there are great solid solutions for WMV drm, as some may recall I want to protect my exclsuive content so only people with current memberships can watch the clips.

Well for Real they want about 250K yeah that $250,000 for a DRM solution.

Anyone here operate a decent size paysite with WMV's alone?

Just looking on how many members use real dont mean they cant use WMV.

I really need to figure out how to protect all this stuff.

doober · 04-14-2004, 10:40 AM

250k??? Damnnnnnnnnnnn.......

I used real just for testing a couple of years ago, I would never use it on a paysite as I personally dislike the real player and everything associated with it.

WMV is a little better but still not my favorite.
The prefered format for me is mpg, is DRM available for mpg?

If DRM works with WMV why not just use wmv then?
What are your members saying?
Have you poled them about it?

Jer · 04-14-2004, 10:45 AM

This is just a bump

$250k is fucking crazy.

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 10:45 AM

so who knows if you can protect mpg files

Trax · 04-14-2004, 10:49 AM

as far as the paysite thing goes
i would never offer real.. i simply dont like the format and would personally not use it

my #1 is MPEG
then comes WMV & AVI
thats mainly about it
i wouldnt mind offering MOV, too... but i see no real reason to do that as of now

AMADude · 04-14-2004, 10:50 AM

wmv alone is fine.
Or try wmv and mpeg

Realplayer sucks.

Juicy D. Links · 04-14-2004, 10:51 AM

WOW there Helix Solution is 250k? Thats alot of lapdances

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AMADude
wmv alone is fine.
Or try wmv and mpeg

Realplayer sucks.

mpeg can be protected?

Steve · 04-14-2004, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
WOW there Helix Solution is 250k? Thats alot of lapdances

depends on the club

Peaches · 04-14-2004, 11:07 AM

I'm coming late to the party so I'm not sure what has an hasn't been brought up, but have you contacted National Net yet about their DRM product? Sorry if this has been discussed.

Winterverse · 04-14-2004, 11:20 AM

drm can be used to protect mpeg, avi, and of course wmv so I've been told

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Winterverse
drm can be used to protect mpeg, avi, and of course wmv so I've been told

ok who provides a service to protect mpeg
/?

tootie · 04-14-2004, 11:27 AM

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openipmp

Supposedly an open source DRM solution for MPEG. I haven't tried it, though.

bluelevelnick · 04-14-2004, 11:44 AM

openipmp looks almost dead to me.

and if we use the term 'mpeg' it is not clear what exactly it is.

Mpg1 or mpg2 or 4 or .....

Fact is: The whole video stream must be crypted for 'secure' DRM.
If you do that with mp2 than it is no longer mp2 but anything else.

So no, you can't do DRM that easy.

If you wrap your video stream with any DRM system someone will soon make cracking tool for it.

You can see that if you use the latest Microsoft DRM that the movies you play need extremely more CPU resources than any other file format. Try playing it on an old PC...

that is because it is realtime decrypted, that needs power.

At the moment I would say the ms wmv DRM system is the 'best' solution.
Also most users got the ms player on their computers....

I made a DRM solution early this year for a customer and it is working fine with wmv.

feel free to contact me if you need help

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelevelnick
openipmp looks almost dead to me.

and if we use the term 'mpeg' it is not clear what exactly it is.

Mpg1 or mpg2 or 4 or .....

Fact is: The whole video stream must be crypted for 'secure' DRM.
If you do that with mp2 than it is no longer mp2 but anything else.

So no, you can't do DRM that easy.

If you wrap your video stream with any DRM system someone will soon make cracking tool for it.

You can see that if you use the latest Microsoft DRM that the movies you play need extremely more CPU resources than any other file format. Try playing it on an old PC...

that is because it is realtime decrypted, that needs power.

At the moment I would say the ms wmv DRM system is the 'best' solution.
Also most users got the ms player on their computers....

I made a DRM solution early this year for a customer and it is working fine with wmv.

feel free to contact me if you need help

the fact that there will soon be a crack is not the way i think, i mean sooner or later a bank will be robbed that doesnt mean they dont need protection

thanks for the input my programmer is hard at work

vapewiz · 04-14-2004, 11:53 AM

All my sites use wmv and have never got a complait about not having real video. I also use drm so only active members can view them and its worked out great. Only problem is mac users can't watch them.

The Machine · 04-14-2004, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
so who knows if you can protect mpg files

Yes, you can

Check us out - we have the only MPEG DRM solution on the market, and it's a great one too.

Regards,

Paul

loverboy · 04-14-2004, 12:01 PM

only a small percentage of paysites only use Real. most of them mpeg and wmv.
who can afford $250K?

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine

Yes, you can

Check us out - we have the only MPEG DRM solution on the market, and it's a great one too.

Regards,

Paul

so will it protect a mpg file if the surfer tries to play it using real layer?

I think yhou guys provide the service to a magic site I know of

justsexxx · 04-14-2004, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz

so will it protect a mpg file if the surfer tries to play it using real layer?

I think yhou guys provide the service to a magic site I know of

Don't be so cryptical

The Machine · 04-14-2004, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz

so will it protect a mpg file if the surfer tries to play it using real layer?

I think yhou guys provide the service to a magic site I know of

Our solution works for all versions of MS Media Player, as well as some other media players (like BSPlayer), but not for Real player, as their stuff is proprietary. Does anyone really use or need Real is another question.

The Machine · 04-14-2004, 12:33 PM

Anyway, hit me up in the evening (or tomorrow morning), as I'll be offline for the rest of the day, and I'll address any questions that you may have. You'll like what we have to offer

icq# 106769997

Regards,

Paul

Holly · 04-14-2004, 01:12 PM

Have you read this thread?

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.p...hreadid=254987

I remembered this from a couple of weeks ago. No mention of Real that I read, but he sounds like he knows a lot about drm and he mentioned he's freelance, so if it's possible he might be able to tell you or even give you a quote.

Basic_man · 04-14-2004, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jer
This is just a bump

$250k is fucking crazy.

$250K is fucking too much !!

chowda · 04-14-2004, 01:16 PM

maybe someone on www.scriptlance.com could hook u up with the specs u want.

emmanuelle · 04-14-2004, 04:41 PM

I believe that Homegrown recently wrote their own DRM solution. You might hit Farrell up about it- I think their original intention was to make it available to others.

EscortBiz · 04-14-2004, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emmanuelle
I believe that Homegrown recently wrote their own DRM solution. You might hit Farrell up about it- I think their original intention was to make it available to others.

for real player?

djhits · 04-14-2004, 04:56 PM

i hear national net were providing a a cheap DRM solution and it looked real good, (ill post the url once i find it)

do a search over at

j u s t b l o w m e . c o m

they had it posted a while ago

emmanuelle · 04-14-2004, 04:57 PM

Doubtful- Spike's a big Win Doze fan

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04-14-2004, 10:50 AM	#6
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04-14-2004, 11:27 AM	#13
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	http://sourceforge.net/projects/openipmp Supposedly an open source DRM solution for MPEG. I haven't tried it, though. __________________

04-14-2004, 11:44 AM	#14
bluelevelnick Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany / Cologne Posts: 98	openipmp looks almost dead to me. and if we use the term 'mpeg' it is not clear what exactly it is. Mpg1 or mpg2 or 4 or ..... Fact is: The whole video stream must be crypted for 'secure' DRM. If you do that with mp2 than it is no longer mp2 but anything else. So no, you can't do DRM that easy. If you wrap your video stream with any DRM system someone will soon make cracking tool for it. You can see that if you use the latest Microsoft DRM that the movies you play need extremely more CPU resources than any other file format. Try playing it on an old PC... that is because it is realtime decrypted, that needs power. At the moment I would say the ms wmv DRM system is the 'best' solution. Also most users got the ms player on their computers.... I made a DRM solution early this year for a customer and it is working fine with wmv. feel free to contact me if you need help __________________ ICQ # 316936927

04-14-2004, 12:33 PM	#22
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	Anyway, hit me up in the evening (or tomorrow morning), as I'll be offline for the rest of the day, and I'll address any questions that you may have. You'll like what we have to offer icq# 106769997 Regards, Paul __________________ Complex, large-scale, multi-platform custom programming. icq # 106 769 997

04-14-2004, 10:29 AM	#1
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	Update and Question to Paysite webmasters Ok so there are great solid solutions for WMV drm, as some may recall I want to protect my exclsuive content so only people with current memberships can watch the clips. Well for Real they want about 250K yeah that $250,000 for a DRM solution. Anyone here operate a decent size paysite with WMV's alone? Just looking on how many members use real dont mean they cant use WMV. I really need to figure out how to protect all this stuff. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

04-14-2004, 10:40 AM	#2
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	250k??? Damnnnnnnnnnnn....... I used real just for testing a couple of years ago, I would never use it on a paysite as I personally dislike the real player and everything associated with it. WMV is a little better but still not my favorite. The prefered format for me is mpg, is DRM available for mpg? If DRM works with WMV why not just use wmv then? What are your members saying? Have you poled them about it?

04-14-2004, 10:45 AM	#3
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	This is just a bump $250k is fucking crazy.

04-14-2004, 10:49 AM	#5
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	as far as the paysite thing goes i would never offer real.. i simply dont like the format and would personally not use it my #1 is MPEG then comes WMV & AVI thats mainly about it i wouldnt mind offering MOV, too... but i see no real reason to do that as of now

04-14-2004, 10:51 AM	#7
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	WOW there Helix Solution is 250k? Thats alot of lapdances

04-14-2004, 11:07 AM	#10
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I'm coming late to the party so I'm not sure what has an hasn't been brought up, but have you contacted National Net yet about their DRM product? Sorry if this has been discussed.

04-14-2004, 11:20 AM	#11
Winterverse Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 278	drm can be used to protect mpeg, avi, and of course wmv so I've been told

04-14-2004, 11:53 AM	#16
vapewiz Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,530	All my sites use wmv and have never got a complait about not having real video. I also use drm so only active members can view them and its worked out great. Only problem is mac users can't watch them.

04-14-2004, 12:01 PM	#18
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	only a small percentage of paysites only use Real. most of them mpeg and wmv. who can afford $250K?

04-14-2004, 01:12 PM	#23
Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	Have you read this thread? http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.p...hreadid=254987 I remembered this from a couple of weeks ago. No mention of Real that I read, but he sounds like he knows a lot about drm and he mentioned he's freelance, so if it's possible he might be able to tell you or even give you a quote.

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04-14-2004, 04:41 PM	#26
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	I believe that Homegrown recently wrote their own DRM solution. You might hit Farrell up about it- I think their original intention was to make it available to others.

04-14-2004, 04:56 PM	#28
djhits Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 455	i hear national net were providing a a cheap DRM solution and it looked real good, (ill post the url once i find it) do a search over at j u s t b l o w m e . c o m they had it posted a while ago __________________ ................. Busy, Busy , Busy

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