Indian truckers in Iraq say Americans are cowards

[Mr.Fiction]

American valour? All hogwash, say Indian truckers

Indian truck drivers who returned after working in Iraq have a poor impression of American soldiers and their valour.

According to their accounts, whenever armed militants attacked a convoy of trucks ferrying supplies to US troops in Iraq, the escort vehicles carrying American soldiers, instead of protecting the convoy, would be the first to flee leaving the unarmed and hapless truck drivers to fend for themselves.

"As far as their bravery is concerned, the less said the better. When a convoy was attacked, the escort vehicles would simply speed off in different directions and leave the hapless truck drivers to fend for themselves," he said.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/aug/02iraq2.htm

First they take America's jobs, now this?

[jmk]

Yeah we need more movies like Black Hawk Down

[genomega]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
American valour? All hogwash, say Indian truckers

Indian truck drivers who returned after working in Iraq have a poor impression of American soldiers and their valour.

According to their accounts, whenever armed militants attacked a convoy of trucks ferrying supplies to US troops in Iraq, the escort vehicles carrying American soldiers, instead of protecting the convoy, would be the first to flee leaving the unarmed and hapless truck drivers to fend for themselves.

"As far as their bravery is concerned, the less said the better. When a convoy was attacked, the escort vehicles would simply speed off in different directions and leave the hapless truck drivers to fend for themselves," he said.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/aug/02iraq2.htm

First they take America's jobs, now this?

Waht a bunch of crap. lol

[rambler]

Originally posted by genomega
Waht a bunch of crap. lol

why is it so hard to believe?

sounds like it could happen since the US will only attack weak and wimpy countries and always backs down(by diplomatic means) when faced against an enemy that might pose a slight threat.(ie: China, N Korea etc.)

The soldiers are probably just following orders.

[EviLGuY]

Originally posted by genomega
Waht a bunch of crap. lol

.. and what you have better info then the guys that were there?

[pxxx]

Americans aren't cowards, this country will beat the living hell out of any fucking country out there. flame away.

[InsaneMidget]

Originally posted by EviLGuY
.. and what you have better info then the guys that were there?

[InsaneMidget]

Originally posted by pxxx
Americans aren't cowards, this country will beat the living hell out of any fucking country out there. flame away.

Keep reasurring yourself.

[pornguy]

Originally posted by rambler
why is it so hard to believe?

sounds like it could happen since the US will only attack weak and wimpy countries and always backs down(by diplomatic means) when faced against an enemy that might pose a slight threat.(ie: China, N Korea etc.)

The soldiers are probably just following orders.

I take it that you forgot about WWII

The germans we not quite a weak country. In fact, they had managed to take most of europe. And the Japanese we not actually a weak country either. The americans attacked both of them..

[Pud]

Originally posted by pxxx
Americans aren't cowards, this country will beat the living hell out of any fucking country out there. flame away.

same here

[Doctor Dre]

ROFL ... Sad ...

The world don't see americans the same way anymore

[rambler]

Originally posted by pornguy
I take it that you forgot about WWII

The germans we not quite a weak country. In fact, they had managed to take most of europe. And the Japanese we not actually a weak country either. The americans attacked both of them..

I meant the recent US admin (last 40 or so years;after the advent of NUKES)
The reason they got involved before was because they had no choice; what I am refering to now is how they always talked tough against N Korea and China but don't do anything about it but when faced with an opponent that has no nukes(and virtually a washed up military) they have no problem attacking them(kinda sounds cowardly to me)

[detoxed]

Originally posted by pornguy
I take it that you forgot about WWII

The germans we not quite a weak country. In fact, they had managed to take most of europe. And the Japanese we not actually a weak country either. The americans attacked both of them..

Yeah, and walk down the streets of America and it looks the same as it did 50-60 years ago huh? Right... if we cant beat some guys hiding in caves then we sure as hell cant beat a strong country.

[Giorgio_Xo]

I remember the stories about the Italian campaign from my grandfather who was fighting with the Free French Forces in World War Two. He had the same complaint about U.S. soldiers - cowardly and too cautious. He said the only U.S. forces that fought well in the mountains of Central Italy were the Brazilian regiments fighting under U.S. flag.

Personally, I believe most U.S. soldiers are brave; but, why die for a war in which you don't believe?

[genomega]

Don't you just love it when bedwetters from Canada call Americans cowards. I sure would like to see one of you call them cowards to their face.

[rambler]

Originally posted by genomega
Don't you just love it when bedwetters from Canada call Americans cowards. I sure would like to see one of you call them cowards to their face.

actions speak louder than words... and the US actions say volumes

[Basic_man]

So? Who care !?

[Flynn]

Originally posted by rambler
actions speak louder than words... and the US actions say volumes

Canada... LOL

[rambler]

Originally posted by Flynn
Canada... LOL

US.. LOL

and I think the majority of the world agrees with me

[WicKed NinJas]

Originally posted by rambler
US.. LOL

and I think the majority of the world agrees with me

that should be Bush...lol he is the root at the axis of evil...lol

[rambler]

Originally posted by WicKed NinJas
that should be Bush...lol he is the root at the axis of evil...lol

Yes I stand corrected but if the US citizens vote him in again then its US...lol

what was that saying by BUSH:

"Fool me once shame on me; fool me twice....

[unconnected]

Originally posted by pornguy
I take it that you forgot about WWII

The germans we not quite a weak country. In fact, they had managed to take most of europe. And the Japanese we not actually a weak country either. The americans attacked both of them..

I take it you know absolutely NOTHING about WWII.. I am not denying that the US made the difference that probably won the war, but when did they join the conflict and why don't you quote some fact about how many troops they sent in?.

That an they beat the japanese by murdering nearly 200 000 innocent civilians you jackass

[Webby]

Doctor Dre:

The world don't see americans the same way anymore

Think you hit that nail on the head.

Any bullshit from the US these days is... well just that. There is a serious credibility problem and that will not disappear too quickly.

For all those in this thread who raise the WW2 issue and "how we won the war" - get an education and some balance.

WW2 was a "world war" and not a "US war" and no - the US did not "win" WW2 or WW1 for that matter.

The US soldiers that fought in these wars would be fucking ashamed at the bullshit spouted by some kids on this subject - especially the "kids" who have an "ignorance and arrogance factor" of 10.

Sad shit...

[Joe Citizen]

America is the epitome of cowardice.

[rambler]

Originally posted by unconnected
I take it you know absolutely NOTHING about WWII.. I am not denying that the US made the difference that probably won the war, but when did they join the conflict and why don't you quote some fact about how many troops they sent in?.

That an they beat the japanese by murdering nearly 200 000 innocent civilians you jackass

I forgot about the fact that the US is the only country in the world to use WMD and they even used it on 200,000 innocent civilians!

How ironic that they are now bombing innocent civilians in the fallous belief that they are preventing someone else from doing as they did. (You can't get any more cowardly than that)

[johndoebob]

First they take America's jobs, now this?

Take our jobs?wtf?!Fucking retarded american patriots.

Visit this link and clear your mind up: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart

Why are you so proud of your fucked up country?Because you get outcasted if you aren't?I've never seen any reason to be proud of a country where you're born or life in beside you want to manipulate people.

[AWC]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
America is the epitome of cowardice.

IF shit were to go down and your country were being invaded... You would be the first to suck our dick and beg for help.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by AWC
IF shit were to go down and your country were being invaded... You would be the first to suck our dick and beg for help.

[Webby]

Joe Citizen:

America is the epitome of cowardice.

Whoa! Gotta think on that one! :-)

Mmmm... as a nation, don't think the US has much to be proud of as far as "conflicts" are concerned. It is a neurotic nation with a preoccupation about "enemies" and wonderment as to "why they hate us" and also inbred with some belief in "success" which, in turn, seems to mean "greed" to some.

In the middle of that looney culture, there are many very sane folks both within and outside government and many honorable men among em.

As far as "cowardice" is concerned, - dunno if that is the word. There sure is, as has been demonstrated in Iraq, this "run and cover your ass" when in any "actual" fighting (ie not some "press-a-button-from-50-miles-away-warfare"). Who knows if that is cowardice, - there is something to be said for covering your ass to fight another day. A commander may call it "strategy" tho this does not seem to be a strategy adopted by some forces from other nations serving in Iraq.

Frankly, ya can't expect much more. Many of these guys, irrespective of their real age, are kids. They have little experience of "war" and given moral boosts to say "we are the best" etc. - but in real life were donut store managers etc. This shows up badly in any "relationships" with others - they have no experience to call upon to have any relationship and the troops of a few other nations "appear" to be doing better at this. Again, as with people in general, there are many excellent "real soliders" within the US troops and no way do these guys need the others to be pulling em down.

I find it hard to generalize and say "America is the epitome of cowardice" - US folks are not any different to anyone else. What you "may" be saying is the US govt and the foreign policies they pursue are "cowardly"? If so, yea, they are cowardly, greedy, arrogant, bullies and loads more "words". No other nation comes near em for total shit in this area and, almost without exception, other counties know this and hence the credibility gap.

[MrJackMeHoff]

Originally posted by johndoebob
Take our jobs?wtf?!Fucking retarded american patriots.

Visit this link and clear your mind up: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart

Why are you so proud of your fucked up country?Because you get outcasted if you aren't?I've never seen any reason to be proud of a country where you're born or life in beside you want to manipulate people.

I have to dissagree with this post because basically your saying an american should just live like a po fuck because otherwie the po fuck will take his job. How is that fair?

If he was willing to take less money living in america would make him poor. So ok he's not taking his job but just his $$ and american goodies.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by Webby
Joe Citizen:



Whoa! Gotta think on that one! :-)

Mmmm... as a nation, don't think the US has much to be proud of as far as "conflicts" are concerned. It is a neurotic nation with a preoccupation about "enemies" and wonderment as to "why they hate us" and also inbred with some belief in "success" which, in turn, seems to mean "greed" to some.

In the middle of that looney culture, there are many very sane folks both within and outside government and many honorable men among em.

As far as "cowardice" is concerned, - dunno if that is the word. There sure is, as has been demonstrated in Iraq, this "run and cover your ass" when in any "actual" fighting (ie not some "press-a-button-from-50-miles-away-warfare"). Who knows if that is cowardice, - there is something to be said for covering your ass to fight another day. A commander may call it "strategy" tho this does not seem to be a strategy adopted by some forces from other nations serving in Iraq.

Frankly, ya can't expect much more. Many of these guys, irrespective of their real age, are kids. They have little experience of "war" and given moral boosts to say "we are the best" etc. - but in real life were donut store managers etc. This shows up badly in any "relationships" with others - they have no experience to call upon to have any relationship and the troops of a few other nations "appear" to be doing better at this. Again, as with people in general, there are many excellent "real soliders" within the US troops and no way do these guys need the others to be pulling em down.

I find it hard to generalize and say "America is the epitome of cowardice" - US folks are not any different to anyone else. What you "may" be saying is the US govt and the foreign policies they pursue are "cowardly"? If so, yea, they are cowardly, greedy, arrogant, bullies and loads more "words". No other nation comes near em for total shit in this area and, almost without exception, other counties know this and hence the credibility gap.

Bullies are ALWAYS cowards and the USA is the world's greatest bully.

[Far-L]

Originally posted by jmk
Yeah we need more movies like Black Hawk Down

The movie "black hawk down" is an EXTREMELY sanitized version of what went down in Somalia.

Most of the over 900 somalis killed were women and children that formed human shields around the militia.

Those heroic actors would not look so heroic if you saw them unloading 50 cal. gatling guns into crowds of women and children now would they?

[Webby]

Joe Citizen:

Originally posted by AWC
IF shit were to go down and your country were being invaded... You would be the first to suck our dick and beg for help.

Well

That is the mentality mentioned in the previous post :-)

I seriously doubt I'd be running to the US for a solution to shit going down in my country - that would just compound the shit!

This is what happens when a supposedly mature nation spends 30 cents of it's tax dollar on arms, but does not realise that arms on the level they cost, are not the solution to many problems.

I'd ask, when they fuck is the US gonna get bin Laden and when will they have *any* intelligence services? And.. does that come before providing a decent education and healthcare to their citizens?

PS... There was a time when "shit" happened in the country I'm in - almost all other nations immediately pledged aircraft and support - the US sent a telegram

PPS... That telegram has been framed and is now in a national museum as a reminder of who your friends are.

[johndoebob]

I have to dissagree with this post because basically your saying an american should just live like a po fuck because otherwie the po fuck will take his job. How is that fair?

If he was willing to take less money living in america would make him poor. So ok he's not taking his job but just his $$ and american goodies.

Please build logic sentences, I can only vaguely estimate what you want to tell me

[jade_dragon]

This all humors me greatly, FIRST we are mindless and hateful killers who wrecklessly enter into wars with anyone just to throw our weight around like world wide bullies and NOW ALL of us, military or not, are cowards.....


If the soldiers are told not to enter into conflict to save the lives of these truckers then they will follow those orders, bravado will not do anything for you when you and your whole platoon are court marshalled for disobeying an order.
Military tactics....ever heard of them, this is when you do something other than just line troops up and fire at anything that moves. I think that the record speaks for itself, there have been more wins than losses in our history.

The bomb was dropped because without complete and utter dehabilitation of an enemy with the honor and tenacity of the Japanese there would have been no stopping them. Please do not equate your sense of honor or fighting in bars or when someone hits on your girl with that of the Arabs or Asians who fight with abandon of personal safety in the persuit of honor from conflict. That mentality is unstoppable without doing something like showing that all will be wiped out if conflict persists and even then sometimes it will not work. It is simular to fighting a person on PCP, trust me you either destroy them or they will keep coming and overpower you. Not saying it was a good thing at all, but I understand.

America has not had a problem with armies using conventional warfare, this situation is simular Vietnam, a smaller army using hit and run guerilla tactics and chain of command ordering that conflicts be limited to fire only when fired on not active hunt and kill like wars against invading armies like the Germans.

Korea and China are super powers who will have to be dealt with on a much larger scale including years of warfare, large loss of life and also major threat of nuclear warfare, you guys are much closer to Asia than we are you should be thanking your lucky stars America has not gotten into it with any Asian countries and is trying to use diplomacy. I suppose China will stop at assimilating India, Hong Kong and Tibet RIGHT, it is not like they will need more land after that or that they are a conquiring society, no not at all.....

Once again I see a bunch of people who studied conflict from a history book and not from soldiers or military tacticians and so you have a diplomatic and thus unrealistic idea of what happened in the war rooms and on the front lines. I am not saying war is a good thing but sometimes it happens and when it does you either fight or you die.

[Webby]

Far-L:

The movie "black hawk down" is an EXTREMELY sanitized version of what went down in Somalia.

Agree... that movie has nada to do with any reality - it's just more "palatible propaganda" and might just as well be a disney movie about some nice furry critters that have human attributes.

The "Green Berret" movie with John Wayne was another like "Black Hawk" - they even consulted the President/Pentagon to keep away from all "contentious" areas and give a "nice" look to the Vietnam disaster.

[jade_dragon]

Originally posted by Webby
Joe Citizen:


PS... There was a time when "shit" happened in the country I'm in - almost all other nations immediately pledged aircraft and support - the US sent a telegram

PPS... That telegram has been framed and is now in a national museum as a reminder of who your friends are.

Post your country and also a picture of this telegram, this is not as much a challange to back up what you say as much as a wish for me to eductate myself on things that are not always found in our books. Please share with us the name of the country and also this paper we sent. Thanks

[axelcat]

Americans are all heroes

[zzgundamnzz]

Some Indian truck drivers had been caught by people opposed to American occupation but were let off after being beaten up and in return for a promise not to return to Iraq.


I'd be brave too if all I had to do was promise not to come back whenever I was captured

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by axelcat
Americans are all heroes

hehe

[ronbotx]

Originally posted by rambler
why is it so hard to believe?

sounds like it could happen since the US will only attack weak and wimpy countries and always backs down(by diplomatic means) when faced against an enemy that might pose a slight threat.(ie: China, N Korea etc.)

The soldiers are probably just following orders.

If we were in the habit of attacking "weak and wimpy" countries populated by pacifists, socialists, and appeasers, then we would have invaded Canada years ago.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by johndoebob


Why are you so proud of your fucked up country? Because you get outcasted if you aren't?

Yes, I'm scared of being outcast.

America has plenty of problems, Bush being one of the biggest, but there are plenty of good things about the USA too. Look at this if you want to see something great about America:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Or how about this one:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If you don't see the good along with the bad that's your problem.

Once Bush is gone Americans will have a lot more to be proud of.

[Webby]

jade_dragon:

Well.. I'm not gonna get off my ass and get a copy of some US telegram :-) And... there is one MASSIVE load of other stuff that would take a long time to recite here - anyways, this is not, least in majority, a "nice face" of the US.

To keep to the incident which you asked - this was a delaration of invasion by a US backed rogue government in Nicaragua who decided they wanted to invade Costa Rica and started massing troops on the borders. (Costa Rica has never showed any agression towards them)

The immediate response to that was - within 45 mins of this statement there were fighter aircraft landing in Costa Rica from several neighboring countries acting to defend. Numerous countries pledged support and arms - Canada, China, Finland, UK, France, Germany, Russia - there were many countries involved.

The reason for much of this "instant support" was probably that Costa Rica was regarded, still probably is, as a "model of democracy in action" and this needed defending.

The background was that these countries also sent communications to Nicaragua to back down immediately, else they will make them back down. They did.

When this small drama was over, it became clear the actual substance of support from the US was a telegram - enough to raise a smile and be of note :-)

There is a massive load of "pre" story behind this going back to the 1950's when the US decided to just overturn the then, democratically elected government of Guatamala and install a puppet leader who was resposible for many killings. They then lied to relatives of US folks in Guatamala at that time who were killed in mass graves and told them "we have nothing to do with this". However, papers released, probably by accident from US archives are marked "not for public distrubution" and tell the fuller story. Guatamala has still never recovered from these times and is still a place not to be.

This initial action to overturn a democratically elected government had implications in the Latin American region and from that point spread "actions" in neighboring countries that lasted about 30 years and killing many thousands. The Oliver North saga is just a small part of this - there is a LOT more involvement by the US and it's not a pretty picture and has nothing to do with "our values", "freedoms" and all that nice stuff - reality is somewhat different.

[Chichio]

I've been a few places in this world and have met quite a few different people from different cultures. I?m not saying I?ve been everywhere and met everyone but I have yet to meet a culture of people that are more aggressive and prone to fighting as Americans. Say what you will about us but saying we?re cowards just makes you look like you?re looking for the next reason to hate us.

[Webby]

jade_dragon:

BTW... A smaller "player", but one who knows much and has clearly a desire to avoid discussing these times, is John Negropointe, the US Ambassador to the UN and now the Ambassador in Iraq.

His history is known by several nations and the UN.

[Webby]

Chichio:

I've been a few places in this world and have met quite a few different people from different cultures. I?m not saying I?ve been everywhere and met everyone but I have yet to meet a culture of people that are more aggressive and prone to fighting as Americans. Say what you will about us but saying we?re cowards just makes you look like you?re looking for the next reason to hate us.

I doubt feelings towards the US are mainly related to culture or whatever country you hail from.

When almost the whole world, least currently, cannot trust a nation that proclaims high moral values, there is a problem. Doubt it's a matter of the world being out of step, more probably the US in this instance that is out of step with reality.

I can't say US people are cowards - they are no different to anywhere else. However, the actions of the US government over decades has given rise for concern and does so more recently. These are actions that could be defined as "errors of judgement", but to have so many "errors of judgement" knocks credibility. This is not exactly a responsible conduct and I no longer have any doubt that the US is a rogue regime and it's leadership is little more than a loose cannon rolling over the deck. They can't be trusted with 5 cents.

That, btw, has nothing to do with any "hatred" of US folks - can't say I have any "hatred" of any people. We all gotta live

[Stamen]

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country". -- George S. Patton

[rambler]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
...Once Bush is gone Americans will have a lot more to be proud of.

Yes I agree; I have travelled to a lot of places around the world and when Clinton was in power, the US was looked upon with envy and admiration... Now with Bush you are looked upon as Moronic and like a crazed bully

[rambler]

Originally posted by ronbotx
If we were in the habit of attacking "weak and wimpy" countries populated by pacifists, socialists, and appeasers, then we would have invaded Canada years ago.

Bring it on, tough guy!

[rambler]

Originally posted by Webby
Doctor Dre:



Think you hit that nail on the head.

Any bullshit from the US these days is... well just that. There is a serious credibility problem and that will not disappear too quickly.

For all those in this thread who raise the WW2 issue and "how we won the war" - get an education and some balance.

WW2 was a "world war" and not a "US war" and no - the US did not "win" WW2 or WW1 for that matter.

The US soldiers that fought in these wars would be fucking ashamed at the bullshit spouted by some kids on this subject - especially the "kids" who have an "ignorance and arrogance factor" of 10.

Sad shit...

Yah unfortunately there are too many US citizens that live in thier own fantasy world and beleive all the BS even when it has been disproven