60 Minutes Tonight!

[titmowse]

Bringing up the past, nationwide:

"Former Texas House Speaker and Lt. Governor Ben Barnes tells Correspondent Dan Rather that he regrets what he calls the "life or death" decision he made to help President Bush get into the Texas Air National Guard.

Rather's report, which will include new information about Bush's military service, will be broadcast on 60 Minutes, tonight at 8 p.m. ET/PT."

link

[BRISK]

Membership has its privileges.

[baddog]

I don't know how to break this to you, but whether or not Bush went to Nam or not does not make Kerry any more qualified to be CiC or President.

[seeric]

neither one is gonna be worth a shit for the next four years. and i am not just talking about adult. hold on tight.

[titmowse]

[titmowse]

Originally posted by baddog
I don't know how to break this to you, but whether or not Bush went to Nam or not does not make Kerry any more qualified to be CiC or President.

yeah. i does. kerry knows how war works, especially for the soldier.

[dready]

Originally posted by baddog
I don't know how to break this to you, but whether or not Bush went to Nam or not does not make Kerry any more qualified to be CiC or President.

Actually it does... it's a reflection of his character.

[tony286]

This should be good

[crockett]

Originally posted by baddog
I don't know how to break this to you, but whether or not Bush went to Nam or not does not make Kerry any more qualified to be CiC or President.

so what qualifies Bush to be president? His assume business skills? or is killer national debt plan? Or maybe his great record for presenting the facts in order to invade a country? Or could it be how he is doing such a great job in tracking down terrorists?

[baddog]

Originally posted by crockett
so what qualifies Bush to be president? His assume business skills? or is killer national debt plan? Or maybe his great record for presenting the facts in order to invade a country? Or could it be how he is doing such a great job in tracking down terrorists?

how about 4 years experience?

[baddog]

Originally posted by titmowse
yeah. i does. kerry knows how war works, especially for the soldier.

yeah, which I guess explains why he voted against providing the money to support the people he voted to send into battle

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by baddog
I don't know how to break this to you, but whether or not Bush went to Nam or not does not make Kerry any more qualified to be CiC or President.

It just shows what peice of shit Bush is ... fucking liar

[devilspost]

Originally posted by baddog
how about 4 years experience?

[devilspost]

[devilspost]

[titmowse]

Originally posted by baddog
yeah, which I guess explains why he voted against providing the money to support the people he voted to send into battle

because he wanted the money to come from bush's tax cuts

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=155

[lb_vee]

Originally posted by devilspost

Its funny because its true.

[titmowse]

Claim: Senator John Kerry "voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988."

Status: False.

link

[crowkid]

Originally posted by a1escorts


Its funny because its true.

I'm just curious...ANY facts at all to back up that claim, or cheap shot should I say?

[titmowse]

Originally posted by crowkid
I'm just curious...ANY facts at all to back up that claim, or cheap shot should I say?

Watch the program. 60 mins is pretty good with giving both sides of the issue. Barnes wasn't going to say shit about the Bush thing until he was made to in court.

[jimmyf]

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable,

Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.

His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with
the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract
for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of
inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3
years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills
per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was
also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry,
as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements
against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially
during time of war. It is also interesting to note t! hat Kerry did not
obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service
obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release
from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of
obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve
Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready
Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per
year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records
been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval
Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -
Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval
Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready
Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was
displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving
aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating
members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US
Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national
television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris,
in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.
Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of
Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting
with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article
104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's
subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our
military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of
our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving
aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person
shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President
and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath . to support the
Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or
rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

[titmowse]

Kerry is used to getting hassled by the man. Of course he had trouble after he spoke out against the Vietnam conflict. Of course they called him a commie sympathizer. That's how you slung mud in those days.

Think about this. Kerry went and fought in a war and had the balls it took to come back and face bullshit like that stalker O'neill He was followed by the FBI and they tried their best to make him look bad. It didn't take.

Then Kerry went and exposed an organization of interconnected entities that supported drug trafficking, illegal arms dealing and terrorism, and laundered their money through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International/BCCI. Kerry drove to completion his investigation in spite of pressure from all sides, including members of his own party. BCCI was shut down and Kerry proved his ability to ferret out the sources of terrorist funding.

That's qualification.

[devilspost]

[devilspost]

[crockett]

It's on Now

[Nanda]

Watching now.....hope it's good!

[xclusive]

Well it's about time the kid gloves came off I don't think kerrys record is all that but at least compared to bush's it's something...

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by baddog
how about 4 years experience?

But 4 years ago Bush had zero experience.


And 4 years from now, if Bush wins of course, the USA will be back to having to vote in a new guy with... guess what?.... zero exerience.

Should a president be automatically given a second term just because he has 4 years experience? What if he's a shitty president?

I don't know, maybe it's time to give the new guy a shot. (?)

[baddog]

Originally posted by CDSmith
But 4 years ago Bush had zero experience.


And 4 years from now, if Bush wins of course, the USA will be back to having to vote in a new guy with... guess what?.... zero exerience.

Should a president be automatically given a second term just because he has 4 years experience? What if he's a shitty president?

I don't know, maybe it's time to give the new guy a shot. (?)

we had no choice, one of the candidates was going to have no experience, except that Gore did have 4 years experienceas Veep, he just chose to distance himself from Clinton (dumb move) and picked a Jew running mate (dumber move).

[MikeHawk]

Originally posted by baddog
I don't know how to break this to you, but whether or not Bush went to Nam or not does not make Kerry any more qualified to be CiC or President.

What baddog said...

[NickPapageorgio]

Originally posted by baddog
how about 4 years experience?

I knew carpenters that had 20 years experience that still couldn't drive a nail straight.

I know I know...back to your hole n00b. I'm goin I'm goin...

[Zerof8]

I think that anyone would do whatever they could to avoid going to war, so I dont really dislike him for that. I cant see either candidate being the best person to be president but I think Kerry is the lesser of two evils in this situation.

Most wars seem to be political bs that never really has anything to do with national security.

[titmowse]

Originally posted by MikeHawk
What baddog said...

Think about this. Kerry went and fought in a war and had the balls it took to come back and face bullshit like that stalker O'neill. He was followed by the FBI and they tried their best to make him look bad. It didn't take.

Then Kerry went and exposed an organization of interconnected entities that supported drug trafficking, illegal arms dealing and terrorism, and laundered their money through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International/BCCI. Kerry drove to completion his investigation in spite of pressure from all sides, including members of his own party. BCCI was shut down and Kerry proved his ability to ferret out the sources of terrorist funding.

That's qualification.

[baddog]

Originally posted by titmowse

he said what I said, not what you said . . . .sorry ;p

[untitled]

Originally posted by jimmyf
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable,

Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.

His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with
the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract
for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of
inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3
years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills
per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was
also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry,
as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements
against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially
during time of war. It is also interesting to note t! hat Kerry did not
obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service
obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release
from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of
obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve
Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready
Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per
year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records
been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval
Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -
Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval
Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready
Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was
displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving
aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating
members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US
Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national
television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris,
in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.
Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of
Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting
with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article
104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's
subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our
military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of
our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving
aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person
shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President
and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath . to support the
Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or
rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

your dumb, vietnam was a joke and we shouldn't have been there. We were more there enemy then they were ours.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by baddog
how about 4 years experience?

You mean his latest campaign slogan:

"I think I'm getting the hang of this!"
??

[Centurion]

Originally posted by baddog
we had no choice, one of the candidates was going to have no experience, except that Gore did have 4 years experienceas Veep, he just chose to distance himself from Clinton (dumb move) and picked a Jew running mate (dumber move).

Actually he had 8 years as VP an 12 as a Senator.

[baddog]

okay, I watched part of it . . . .what was I supposed to walk away from it thinking?

[baddog]

Originally posted by Centurion
Actually he had 8 years as VP an 12 as a Senator.

you are absolutely correct, my bad

[baddog]

Originally posted by untitled
your dumb, vietnam was a joke and we shouldn't have been there. We were more there enemy then they were ours.

people calling other people dumb should at least make sure they know how to spell

The word is "their." Now try to figure out where it belongs in the sentence.

However,while I would be the last person to argue the fact that we did not belong in Nam if we were not going to fight it with the intention of winning, it does not change the fact that Kerry signed up, with certain obligations, and violated them.

I think it shows how much an oath means to him.

[BigFrog]

Originally posted by Centurion
You mean his latest campaign slogan:

"I think I'm getting the hang of this!"
??

[BigFrog]

Originally posted by baddog
it does not change the fact that Kerry signed up, with certain obligations, and violated them.

I think it shows how much an oath means to him.

wait a minute.....this applies to bush too....so where are you going with this??

[titmowse]

Originally posted by baddog
However,while I would be the last person to argue the fact that we did not belong in Nam if we were not going to fight it with the intention of winning, it does not change the fact that Kerry signed up, with certain obligations, and violated them.

violated them how? by challenging his superiors?