No military draft under Bush? Think again!

[erehwon]

Notice the date?

4 November 2004
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SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM


Computer Matching Between the Selective Service System and the
Department of Education

AGENCY: Selective Service System.

ACTION: Notice.

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In accordance with the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. 522a), as
amended by the Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Act of 1988
(Pub. L. 100-503), and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB)
Guidelines on the Conduct of Matching Programs (54 FR 25818 (June 19,
1989)), and OMB Bulletin 89-22, the following information is provided:
1. Name of participating agencies: The Selective Service System
(SSS) and the Department of Education (ED).
2. Purpose of the match: The purpose of this matching program is to
ensure that the requirements of Section 12(f) of the Military Selective
Service System Act [50 U.S.C. App. 462 (f)] are met.
3. Authority for conducting the matching: Computerized access to
the Selective Service Registrant Registration Records (SSS 10) enables
ED to confirm the registration status of applicants for assistance
under Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (HEA), as amended
(20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq.). Section 12(f) of the Military Selective
Service Act, as amended [50 U.S.C. App. 462(f)], denies eligibility for
any form of assistance or benefit under Title IV of the HEA to any
person required to present himself for and submit to registration under
Section 3 of the Military Selective Service System Act [50 U.S.C. App.
453] who fails to do so in accordance with that section and any rules
and regulations issued under that section. In addition, Section
12(f)(2) of the Military Selective Service System Act specifies that
any person required to present himself for and submit to registration
under Section 3 of the Military Selective Service System Act must file
a statement with the institution of higher education where the person
intends to attend or is attending that he is in compliance with the
Military Selective Service System Act. Furthermore, Section 12(f)(3) of
the Military Selective Service System Act authorizes the Secretary of
Education, in agreement with the Director of the Selective Service, to
prescribe methods for verifying the statements of compliance filed by
students.
Section 484(n) of the HEA [20 U.S.C. 1091(n)], requires the
Secretary to conduct data base matches with SSS, using common
demographic data elements, to enforce the Selective Service
registration provisions of the Military Selective Service Act [50
U.S.C. App. 462(f)], and further states that appropriate confirmation
of a person's shall fulfill the requirement to file a separate
statement of compliance.
4. Categories of records and individuals covered:
1. Federal Student Aid Application File (18-11-01). Individuals
covered are men born after December 31, 1959, but at least 18 years old
by June 30 of the applicable award year.
2. Selective Service Registration Records (SSS 10).
5. Inclusive dates of the matching program: Commence on January 1,
2005 or 40 days after copies of the matching agreement are transmitted
simultaneously to the Committee on Government Affairs of the Senate,
the Committee on Government Operations of the House of Representatives,
and the Office of Management and Budget, whichever is later, and remain
in effect for eighteen months unless earlier terminated or modified by
agreement of the parties.
6. Address for receipt of public comments or inquires: Richard S.
Flahavan, Associate Director, Office of Public and Intergovernmental
Affairs, Selective Service System.

Dated: October 28, 2004.
Jack Martin,
Acting Director.
[FR Doc. 04-24634 Filed 11-3-04; 8:45 am]

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[BradM]

That doesn't mean the beggining of a draft by any means.

[Dynamix]

A bill to reinstate the draft has been in the House for months now.. has nothing to do with G.W.

[EZRhino]

OMG, whats with this draft panic? People relax! The draft is not coming.

[Sosa]

Originally posted by EZRhino
OMG, whats with this draft panic? People relax! The draft is not coming.

I hope not

[Dynamix]

All American here need to Grow some balls. If I get called to serve count me in. Think of the thousands of men who have died over the years so that we get to sit here and promote porn.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Dynamix
A bill to reinstate the draft has been in the House for months now.. has nothing to do with G.W.

That bill, which was almost 2 years old and written by 2 democrats, was actually defeated a few weeks ago by an overwhelming majority (1 or 2 voted for it).

[Dynamix]

Originally posted by Peaches
That bill, which was almost 2 years old and written by 2 democrats, was actually defeated a few weeks ago by an overwhelming majority (1 or 2 voted for it).

Exactly my point. GW has nothing to do with that bill

[Peaches]

Originally posted by erehwon
Notice the date?
Dated: October 28, 2004.

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[Rich]

Originally posted by Dynamix
All American here need to Grow some balls. If I get called to serve count me in. Think of the thousands of men who have died over the years so that we get to sit here and promote porn.

Most people think fighting the Nazi's is a little different than expanding the "New American Empire" that a few incompetent neo-cons came up with.

[jas1552]

I can't believe so many people bought John Kerry's lies about a draft. Listen sheep! When John Kerry said if Bush wins there might be a draft, he was lying to win an election. There will be no draft!

[EZRhino]

Originally posted by Peaches

Yeah like that date cant be edit in.

[EZRhino]

Originally posted by jas1552
I can't believe so many people bought John Kerry's lies about a draft. Listen sheep! When John Kerry said if Bush wins there might be a draft, he was lying to win an election. There will be no draft!

Exactly, Kerry was the one really using fear to win a election.

[warlock5]

I hear that they are looking to draft skilled adult webmasters to build porn sites for Iraq.

[Slick]

Well, both me and my wife are 30 and my kids are 12 and under, so I'll be ok

[pornguy]

Has nothing to do with GW??

I think that these children that they will call will be fighting a war that he started.

[gatorpower]

Since 1980, every 18 year old receives a selective service card in the mail; it expires for the individual seven years later and he is no longer in the system. Read more about it, and see the following quote at http://www.sss.gov

"Since 1980, the Selective Service System has discharged its mission of preparing to manage a draft if and when Congress and the President so direct"

In other words, it must be approved by both the house and the senate, then by the president. There is no way in hell congress will aprove the draft unless WWIII broke out.

*anticipates knee-jerk reaction*

...

the answer is 'maybe'

lol

[Peaches]

If you guys realized how hard it is to get into the military now you'd realize that all congress has to do is up the military budget and the military could relax some of the requirements and there will be zero need for a draft.

If you're all that afraid of serving your country, just proclaim that you're gay if there's a draft

[SuckOnThis]

Originally posted by EZRhino
Exactly, Kerry was the one really using fear to win a election.

Kerry was the one using fear? Pull your head out of your ass. The repubs saying we would not be safe with Kerry was not using fear? Some people are just beyond help.

He specifically said in the debates that there would be no draft. If he tried to backpedal on that now he would have a pretty hard time.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally posted by evildick
He specifically said in the debates that there would be no draft. If he tried to backpedal on that now he would have a pretty hard time.

"Read my lips, no new taxes"

[Rich]

Originally posted by evildick
He specifically said in the debates that there would be no draft. If he tried to backpedal on that now he would have a pretty hard time.

Please, can you remember one of his campaign promises from 2000, besides tax cuts? He wouldn't have been elected if he had said there was a possibility of a draft in his next term. The problem is, he's a liar.

[KingAsher]

Originally posted by Dynamix
All American here need to Grow some balls. If I get called to serve count me in. Think of the thousands of men who have died over the years so that we get to sit here and promote porn.

FUCKIN THANK YOU!!!!!IF IM CALLED ON TO GO, I'LL SACK UP AND GO, EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT, IVE NEVER BEEN ONE TO SHY AWAY FROM A CHALLENGE..... AS WELL IVE NEVER BEEN ONE TO DISRESPECT. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IF YOU TRIED TO RUN FROM IT.

[reynold]

Originally posted by erehwon
Notice the date?

4 November 2004
Source: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/fr-cont.html

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[Federal Register: November 4, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 213)]
[Notices]
[Page 64353]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr04no04-86]


SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM


Computer Matching Between the Selective Service System and the
Department of Education

AGENCY: Selective Service System.

ACTION: Notice.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

In accordance with the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. 522a), as
amended by the Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Act of 1988
(Pub. L. 100-503), and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB)
Guidelines on the Conduct of Matching Programs (54 FR 25818 (June 19,
1989)), and OMB Bulletin 89-22, the following information is provided:
1. Name of participating agencies: The Selective Service System
(SSS) and the Department of Education (ED).
2. Purpose of the match: The purpose of this matching program is to
ensure that the requirements of Section 12(f) of the Military Selective
Service System Act [50 U.S.C. App. 462 (f)] are met.
3. Authority for conducting the matching: Computerized access to
the Selective Service Registrant Registration Records (SSS 10) enables
ED to confirm the registration status of applicants for assistance
under Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (HEA), as amended
(20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq.). Section 12(f) of the Military Selective
Service Act, as amended [50 U.S.C. App. 462(f)], denies eligibility for
any form of assistance or benefit under Title IV of the HEA to any
person required to present himself for and submit to registration under
Section 3 of the Military Selective Service System Act [50 U.S.C. App.
453] who fails to do so in accordance with that section and any rules
and regulations issued under that section. In addition, Section
12(f)(2) of the Military Selective Service System Act specifies that
any person required to present himself for and submit to registration
under Section 3 of the Military Selective Service System Act must file
a statement with the institution of higher education where the person
intends to attend or is attending that he is in compliance with the
Military Selective Service System Act. Furthermore, Section 12(f)(3) of
the Military Selective Service System Act authorizes the Secretary of
Education, in agreement with the Director of the Selective Service, to
prescribe methods for verifying the statements of compliance filed by
students.
Section 484(n) of the HEA [20 U.S.C. 1091(n)], requires the
Secretary to conduct data base matches with SSS, using common
demographic data elements, to enforce the Selective Service
registration provisions of the Military Selective Service Act [50
U.S.C. App. 462(f)], and further states that appropriate confirmation
of a person's shall fulfill the requirement to file a separate
statement of compliance.
4. Categories of records and individuals covered:
1. Federal Student Aid Application File (18-11-01). Individuals
covered are men born after December 31, 1959, but at least 18 years old
by June 30 of the applicable award year.
2. Selective Service Registration Records (SSS 10).
5. Inclusive dates of the matching program: Commence on January 1,
2005 or 40 days after copies of the matching agreement are transmitted
simultaneously to the Committee on Government Affairs of the Senate,
the Committee on Government Operations of the House of Representatives,
and the Office of Management and Budget, whichever is later, and remain
in effect for eighteen months unless earlier terminated or modified by
agreement of the parties.
6. Address for receipt of public comments or inquires: Richard S.
Flahavan, Associate Director, Office of Public and Intergovernmental
Affairs, Selective Service System.

Dated: October 28, 2004.
Jack Martin,
Acting Director.
[FR Doc. 04-24634 Filed 11-3-04; 8:45 am]

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[goBigtime]

Check this out....

ENJOYTHEDRAFT.COM

[EZRhino]

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Kerry was the one using fear? Pull your head out of your ass. The repubs saying we would not be safe with Kerry was not using fear? Some people are just beyond help.

Really? Your telling me that Kerry wasnt playing into your fears of being drafted? This thread isnt about the fear of being drafted? Or his campaign wasnt about the peoples fear of losing there jobs if Bush is elected?
Some people are just beyond the abilty to read the topic of this thread.

[Xenophage]

good thing I am fat old and blind

[wvuatl]

I can't wait for the draft!!

Join the army
Travel the world,
Meet interesting people
And kill them.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally posted by EZRhino
Really? Your telling me that Kerry wasnt playing into your fears of being drafted?

Actually no. A draft would be a good thing. All the more pussy for me.

[baddog]

Originally posted by jas1552
I can't believe so many people bought John Kerry's lies about a draft. Listen sheep! When John Kerry said if Bush wins there might be a draft, he was lying to win an election. There will be no draft!

Fact of the matter is, if Kerry was elected, he would have brought it back. He was just prepping to blame it on Bush.

[jas1552]

Originally posted by Rich
Please, can you remember one of his campaign promises from 2000, besides tax cuts? He wouldn't have been elected if he had said there was a possibility of a draft in his next term. The problem is, he's a liar.

It has been estimated that the US congress could triple the size of the military by simply raising the troop limit and lowering the currently high standards. Doing even that would be extremely expensive and unnecessary. The possiblity of a draft in the near future is approximately 0%. Also the president can't start a draft. That's up to congress and we've seen what congress thinks of a draft a few weeks or so ago. Kerry's not an idiot. He knows all this. He lied to win an election and it didn't work.

[VeriSexy]

There will be no draft unless there's a big war

[sumphatpimp]

actually their is a draft.
Its just that when the Selective Service came to GFY and saw what a bunch of drug addicts and crooks and perverts you were, all of you were classified as 4F, unfit for military service.
you have nothing to worry about.

the congress and the senate must vote on it before it goes to the President.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.sss.gov/viet.htm


Interesting reading.

[theking]

Originally posted by jas1552
It has been estimated that the US congress could triple the size of the military by simply raising the troop limit and lowering the currently high standards. Doing even that would be extremely expensive and unnecessary. The possiblity of a draft in the near future is approximately 0%. Also the president can't start a draft. That's up to congress and we've seen what congress thinks of a draft a few weeks or so ago. Kerry's not an idiot. He knows all this. He lied to win an election and it didn't work.

You are correct. Congress controls the end force level of the miltitary. By raising the end force level and as you stated by lowering the standards...in addition to raising pay and enlistment bonuses...there is not a need for a draft in the foreseeable future. The only way a draft would be re-instated is if a major conflict develops and at this point in time that is not likely.

[erehwon]

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Actually no. A draft would be a good thing. All the more pussy for me.

Think again, the pussy would be drafted too!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

There will be a draft...

Bookmark this thread for future reference.

[codymc12]

Originally posted by Dynamix
All American here need to Grow some balls. If I get called to serve count me in. Think of the thousands of men who have died over the years so that we get to sit here and promote porn.

There won't be a draft. For the simple reason that the Iraq war is one based on opinion, not a factual attack on America. The administration knows it would never get the backing for a draft from the American people.

If we were invading Afghanistan with everything we had, for example, and we knew for sure Osama was there, and a draft was needed - it would probably go through. Because that would not be based on opinion, but a factual attack on the US (9/11). Truthfully, you probably wouldn't need a draft. As in WW 2, people would join up handily.

Regarding the quote above, Iraq is no WW 2, or American Revolution. It's a war based on the opinion of a threat, rather than a direct attack against the US. Historically, this is always troubling to Americans, and historically, we don't do well on this basis (Korea and Vietnam).

I'd also like to point out that, historically, wars fought against a true threat to the United States (eg, based on a direct attack) are rarely protested by Americans, and generally there's no bones made about serving if you're called.

This is a tired arguement (grow some balls, remember our forefathers) and is just a PR tool to make people ashamed of not engaging in blind nationalism. It's only used or needed for wars where opinion, rather than actual, proveable threat to the US, is the basis.

Americans don't like to go to war. Who does? After WW 1, we weren't really interested in WW 2 until Pearl Harbor. Basically, America needed a good reason, and Europe getting their ass kicked by Hitler wasn't enough. Pearl Harbor was.

The point being, the formula is: attack us directly, you awaken a sleeping giant, and there's no lack of 'balls', historically. But if the direct attack ain't there... Americans are going to question it. Which makes plenty of sense to me. Has to do with brains before balls - which helps you keep your balls attached to your body.

Back to the overall point of the thread - Iraq isn't a compelling enough war for America to back the draft. It isn't going to happen, IMO, because Iraq didn't attack the U.S. Post Vietnam, without that kind of direct threat, Americans from all walks of life, on both sides of the party aisle, are going to be pretty unsupportive of the subject.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Peaches
If you guys realized how hard it is to get into the military now you'd realize that all congress has to do is up the military budget and the military could relax some of the requirements and there will be zero need for a draft.

If you're all that afraid of serving your country, just proclaim that you're gay if there's a draft

glad someone said it, 95% that post on this board has ** NOTHING ** 2 worry about the Military does not want your sorry ass's.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by baddog
Fact of the matter is, if Kerry was elected, he would have brought it back. He was just prepping to blame it on Bush.

don't know if you are joking or not but if he would have expanded the Military like he said he was going 2, he would have had 2 get the people from some where

[codymc12]

Originally posted by jimmyf
glad someone said it, 95% that post on this board has ** NOTHING ** 2 worry about the Military does not want your sorry ass's.

Yep - if you think the Iraq war isn't worth dying for, you're either gay, un-American, or have no balls.

Welcome back to 35 years ago.

Not slammin' you Peaches - you know I still love ya.

[crowkid]

man, same tired old baseless arguments!! Carry on you guys n gals are making me pee my pants im laughing so hard!!!! Who really believes these lies!! Honestly!!!

[codymc12]

Originally posted by crowkid
man, same tired old baseless arguments!! Carry on you guys n gals are making me pee my pants im laughing so hard!!!! Who really believes these lies!! Honestly!!!

I don't - read my post. The Iraq war won't get the backing of America for a draft, regardless of whether the administration wanted one - which they don't.

My prediction is that we'll do a McGuyver on Iraq, hope the duct tape holds, and bail. What happens to them after that is anyone's guess. My opinion is, once we leave, Democracy will be overturned by insurgents, and Iraq will go back to a Dictatorship.

[xclusive]

There will be a draft when Bush invades Iran...

[codymc12]

Originally posted by xclusive
There will be a draft when Bush invades Iran...

I don't think he'll need to. If it came to that, Israel would be more than willing to do that particular job.

This is not a slam on Israel, or an opinion on invading Iran. I just don't think we'll go in there. Israel would do the job due to fear of nukes, if we promised to back their play in terms of PR on the world stage.