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Bruno · 09-14-2001, 04:22 PM

Hey everyone,

I'm not American, but as a decent human being I got sickened and worried with the issues that happened in the US.

It was a terrible act and I agree that the responsibles should be punished. I'm completely against any kind of war though, because a huge country like the US against some Arab country would be, in my view, as low as their terrorist atack, since as we all know, innoccent people (many of them) would die on this war.

I would like to know the views and opinions of all of you - Americans, Europeans, Arabs, Asians, South and Central Americans, Africans, whoever you are, let me know your SINCERE opinion on that matter.

These are my two cents, I am just a peaceful Brazilian though

Take care,

Bruno

Amputate Your Head · 09-14-2001, 04:23 PM

Well, this should speak for me:

If they didn't want US bombs falling on them, they should have cleaned up their act a long time ago. It's a little late in the game to cry "poor third world country" now.

[This message has been edited by Amputate Your Head (edited 09-14-2001).]

Hooper · 09-14-2001, 04:26 PM

Fuck em and Feed em fruit loops.

The moment that those cocksuckers refused to cooperate they made it a battle of countries.

I'm betting that land will be cheap and plentiful in the middle east very soon.

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Amputate Your Head · 09-14-2001, 04:39 PM

"Afghanistan vows revenge for any US strike on their country"

This makes my jaw drop.

I can't believe they have the sheer AUDACITY to threaten us under ANY circumstances, let alone this one. I know there are millions of Americans, Canadians, Brits, and more all over the world that are just itching to go over there and slap the fuckin' smiles right off that whole place. I'm sure there are still people that think world peace is actually possible, but if they continue with the way they conduct themselves by supplying, harboring, feeding, and supporting useless pieces of shit like Bin Laden, they are going to face some apocalyptic consequences.

The same goes for that fuck Saddam Hussein. We were IN MOTION towards Bahgdad ten years ago on a mission to eliminate him and his entire dictatorship when the boss put our leashes back on. I certainly hope that doesn't happen this time.

This dog of war is hungry.

hartman · 09-14-2001, 04:44 PM

yeah!
lets bomb the shit out of all the arab countries, and when we are at it, why not nuke the rest of the third world too?

i mean the the people living down there arent human, they are animals!

and im sure that atleast 95% of the people living in afganistan are supporting the terrorists by giving 40% of their income to bin laden, so they deserve to have their children die of starvation and diseases. and for those other 5%, so the fuck what? you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. they are exependable, and they are animals anyway..

now for those that dont recognizes a bad case of sarcasm, this is one ..

titmowse · 09-14-2001, 04:51 PM

here's an example of Afghanistanis who do not follow Bin Laden or the Taliban:
http://www.rawa.org/

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Amputate Your Head · 09-14-2001, 04:53 PM

Well hartman, I never claimed to be a diplomat. That's for the suits to figure out. I have enough confidence in the people in those positions to trust that they have the information pointing to justification. And I would hope that the so called "leaders" of those countries in question would be responsible enough to act in the best interest of THEIR people. If they are incapable of doing that, then they don't deserve the titles they throw around, and their people will suffer because of it.

Case in point: Saddam Hussein. He knows what he needs to do to make shit right with the world. He's not stupid. Yet he chooses not too. Because he's an arrogant, self rightous, dictating, piece of shit that doesn't give a flying fuck about the people of Iraq. And they paid for it in blood. I hope he's proud of himself.

I'm not a diplomat. Merely a tool.
If the man says bring the hammer down.... it will come down. And hard.

SR · 09-14-2001, 05:08 PM

War is never cool and there will always die innocent people.
But this has to be punished.
And this has to be punished hard.
There are countries that might say they are against terroristic attacks, but a country like afgahnistan knows there are terrorists hiding and that they have training camps to train terrorists in their country.

The same for Arafat, he says he is against terrorism but he knows there are such camps where terrorists get trained but he does not do anything against it.

They should be punished.

hartman · 09-14-2001, 05:26 PM

hm, so if a country has a terrorist supporting dictator, the people deserve to get bombed/killed/etc?

about saddam, and him being "arrogant, self rightous, dictating, piece of shit".

you, well not you but US foregin policy, has caused alot of deaths, iraq, vietnam, afganistan, japan etc,etc. this is clear facts that you cannot refuese to listen to, right?

is it not then atleast arrogant and selfrightous by you to think that this attack is the worst thing thats ever happend, and wanting to start a fucking WAR?

the 11 september around 20 000 children died of starvation, the 12 september areound 20 000 children died of starvation and so on.

what was so special about the, 6-7000 dead in us?

oh, right, they where all AMERICANS..

beliving that the whole world should be on your side, and mourning with you when 6-7k americans die is quite arrogant and selfrightous when at the same time 20k CHILDREN dies and you dont care a shit.

[This message has been edited by hartman (edited 09-14-2001).]

Amputate Your Head · 09-14-2001, 05:32 PM

You are one warped muther fucker hartman.

Amputate Your Head · 09-14-2001, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hartman:
hm, so if a country has a terrorist supporting dictator, the people deserve to get bombed/killed/etc?

Yes.

SR · 09-14-2001, 05:34 PM

A war is against soldiers... yes everybody knows that in every war there will die innocents, but these terrorists aim for killing innocent people.

I know that that the bombs on Japan might not have been something to be proud of but does Germany still suffer for what they did in WWII?

kane · 09-14-2001, 05:49 PM

first of I think the term war is a little bit off. This will not be a war. A war is when two sides fight over something. this will be an elimination. There is alot of talk about us killing 1000's upon 1000's of innocent people when we strike back. I know some innocents will die. There is no doubt about that in my mind but who is to say that we are not just going to bomb stratigic targets and eliminate their government. The Taliban has asked us not to attack them because the afghan people are already miserable and this would make it worse. Who's fault is is that they are miserable? It is their own! Now they tell their people to prepare for a holy war? They made the decission to harbor this guy knowing that he was going to attack the US.

this will be an elimination and then a long drawn out effort on their part to try and strike back.

If innocents die, I'm sorry. But we can't just say " please don't do that again, it was bad." and hope for the best

MrBrian · 09-14-2001, 05:50 PM

why do you meatheads want a war? dont you know they have nukes, too?

Amputate Your Head · 09-14-2001, 05:53 PM

Goat/Tabasco farts don't count as nukes.

SR · 09-14-2001, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBrian:
why do you meatheads want a war? dont you know they have nukes, too?

If there will be attacks it will probaly be against Afgahnistan and Afgahnistan does not have nukes.

Red · 09-14-2001, 06:59 PM

There is no question about it. If we had been hit by guided missles, would anyone question whether war had been waged on us? No. Well, they used our commercial aircrafts as guided missles. Don't some of you see that? I'm no war monger, I'm a former flower child who demonstrated against the war in Viet Nam, but we have to defend ourselves. We were attacked and these people will attack again. They have no value of their own lives, nor anyone else's.

It's not like we haven't helped Afghanistan,
In 2001 alone, Kabul has received $124.2 million from the United States ? much of it in food aid. The last installment came in May at the urging of Secretary of State Colin Powell.

We care more about the people of Afghanistan that the Taliban does.

This is not a situation where we can turn the other cheek. Though this will not be war as we usually think of it. This will probably be fought more on a diplomatic level than on a military one.

They have given us no choice. It's self defense.

Red

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Exxxotica · 09-14-2001, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse:
here's an example of Afghanistanis who do not follow Bin Laden or the Taliban:
http://www.rawa.org/

love

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Bruno · 09-15-2001, 11:59 AM

I liked reading your views and opinions, but would like to hear more, please.

For instance, don't you think an event like that is a threat against the Capitalism, not only against the US? It seems like an atack like this one is related to all the Globalization issues going on...

What do yo guys think?

Take care,

Bruno

DarkJedi · 09-15-2001, 12:42 PM

AY ! ARMAGEDDON !

eRock · 09-15-2001, 12:47 PM

Besides Saudi & Kuwait, the rest of those Middle Eastern countries are completely worthless to the world! They're just that little pain in the neck that will NOT go away. I say level them all!

SNOW · 09-15-2001, 12:59 PM

These countries need democracy.. If they cannot impliment that,they will always live like barbaric cave people. It's the Government and media that makes certain cultures bad.I'm sure there are plenty of nice people in that country,but hey many innocent died here and there out celebrating in the streets. How can any civilised person celebrate that.. THERE INSANE... They are absolutely BARBARIC.. These people dont know what FREE IS... FUCK THERE ASSES... The republicans are serious about war,especially with senior bush being a fighter pilot and past history.. You don't fuck around with the Bush family.. These people are fucked.. WE NEED TO MAKE AN example out of these fuckers.. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND BROTHERS OF THE UN......

kuwawawah · 09-15-2001, 01:19 PM

The people in volved in the terrorist attack must be punished and destroyed. Killing innocent people will just cause more terrorism in us in the long run. Even killing bin laden will not stop terrorism, and the next man inline of bin might be 10 times crazier than bin himself. The chain reaction of everything will lead to a gloomy future and global economy will never be the same also. Hopefully the arab countries will give up bin laden and turn him in, then when terrorism in arab countries is controlled by arabs themself, we have a chance. Humanbeing has taken a step back in evolution and I don't know whats the awnser.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2001, 01:26 PM

So what do you suggest then? We send Starsky & Hutch over there to round up Bin Laden and take him to court? It's not gonna happen. Bombs will fall and cruise missiles will fly.

Everyone is bitching about killing "innocent" people by bombing, yet those same people have not offered any other alternative. I would really be interested in hearing some.

eRock · 09-15-2001, 01:32 PM

Ummm....has anyone mentioned the THOUSANDS of innocent people killed here!? And for absolutely no reason!

Rocky · 09-15-2001, 01:41 PM

just like red, i've always been a pretty peaceful guy

but when push comes to shove, i'll kick your ass twice if you fuck with me or my loved ones

i have no problems with an orchestrated attack waged by as many allied countries as possible to start a war that will begin purging the terrorists from this planet

Speedy26 · 09-15-2001, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper:
Fuck em and Feed em fruit loops.

fruit loops are yummy!

I say bomb the shit out of them : )

Rice_Master · 09-15-2001, 01:55 PM

They don't even deserve fruit loops, that is way too good to give them out.

12clicks · 09-15-2001, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruno:
It seems like an atack like this one is related to all the Globalization issues going on...

What do yo guys think?

Bruno

I think you're an idiot when it comes to world politics and terrorists.
These muslim fanatics hate us for who we are. they will never be happy until they're dead. I'm ready to hurry them along in their wish.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2001, 02:04 PM

They want to meet Allah. We are going introduce them.

Bruno · 09-15-2001, 04:27 PM

12clicks,

Will you please let me know then what are your views on that subject? Enlighten an Idiot. lol

Sorry to say, but I think that you didn't understand me... I agree with you and 99% of the Americans here - What they did is unforgiveable... but What I mean is, this should be taken as an atack to the whole civilized, globalized world. Don't you get the picture? The World Trade Center is the symbol of the Globalized world - look at the NAME of the building itself.

I know you're all big and such here at the board, and I respect you for that, but please, don't call an idiot someone you don't know

I'll be happy to hear your opinions!

Take care bro,

Bruno

playa · 09-15-2001, 04:54 PM

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09-14-2001, 04:22 PM	#1
Bruno Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: São Paulo - SP - Brazil Posts: 1,241	War or not to War? Hey everyone, I'm not American, but as a decent human being I got sickened and worried with the issues that happened in the US. It was a terrible act and I agree that the responsibles should be punished. I'm completely against any kind of war though, because a huge country like the US against some Arab country would be, in my view, as low as their terrorist atack, since as we all know, innoccent people (many of them) would die on this war. I would like to know the views and opinions of all of you - Americans, Europeans, Arabs, Asians, South and Central Americans, Africans, whoever you are, let me know your SINCERE opinion on that matter. These are my two cents, I am just a peaceful Brazilian though Take care, Bruno

09-14-2001, 04:23 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Well, this should speak for me: If they didn't want US bombs falling on them, they should have cleaned up their act a long time ago. It's a little late in the game to cry "poor third world country" now. [This message has been edited by Amputate Your Head (edited 09-14-2001).]

09-14-2001, 04:26 PM	#3
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	Fuck em and Feed em fruit loops. The moment that those cocksuckers refused to cooperate they made it a battle of countries. I'm betting that land will be cheap and plentiful in the middle east very soon. ------------------ $35 PLUS 50% AND $1.10/Minute

09-14-2001, 04:39 PM	#4
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	"Afghanistan vows revenge for any US strike on their country" This makes my jaw drop. I can't believe they have the sheer AUDACITY to threaten us under ANY circumstances, let alone this one. I know there are millions of Americans, Canadians, Brits, and more all over the world that are just itching to go over there and slap the fuckin' smiles right off that whole place. I'm sure there are still people that think world peace is actually possible, but if they continue with the way they conduct themselves by supplying, harboring, feeding, and supporting useless pieces of shit like Bin Laden, they are going to face some apocalyptic consequences. The same goes for that fuck Saddam Hussein. We were IN MOTION towards Bahgdad ten years ago on a mission to eliminate him and his entire dictatorship when the boss put our leashes back on. I certainly hope that doesn't happen this time. This dog of war is hungry.

09-14-2001, 04:44 PM	#5
hartman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Engelholm,Skane,Sweden Posts: 82	yeah! lets bomb the shit out of all the arab countries, and when we are at it, why not nuke the rest of the third world too? i mean the the people living down there arent human, they are animals! and im sure that atleast 95% of the people living in afganistan are supporting the terrorists by giving 40% of their income to bin laden, so they deserve to have their children die of starvation and diseases. and for those other 5%, so the fuck what? you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. they are exependable, and they are animals anyway.. now for those that dont recognizes a bad case of sarcasm, this is one ..

09-14-2001, 04:51 PM	#6
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	here's an example of Afghanistanis who do not follow Bin Laden or the Taliban: http://www.rawa.org/ love ------------------ tit, writer for: COZYFROG and EROTICOPY

09-14-2001, 04:53 PM	#7
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Well hartman, I never claimed to be a diplomat. That's for the suits to figure out. I have enough confidence in the people in those positions to trust that they have the information pointing to justification. And I would hope that the so called "leaders" of those countries in question would be responsible enough to act in the best interest of THEIR people. If they are incapable of doing that, then they don't deserve the titles they throw around, and their people will suffer because of it. Case in point: Saddam Hussein. He knows what he needs to do to make shit right with the world. He's not stupid. Yet he chooses not too. Because he's an arrogant, self rightous, dictating, piece of shit that doesn't give a flying fuck about the people of Iraq. And they paid for it in blood. I hope he's proud of himself. I'm not a diplomat. Merely a tool. If the man says bring the hammer down.... it will come down. And hard.

09-14-2001, 05:08 PM	#8
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	War is never cool and there will always die innocent people. But this has to be punished. And this has to be punished hard. There are countries that might say they are against terroristic attacks, but a country like afgahnistan knows there are terrorists hiding and that they have training camps to train terrorists in their country. The same for Arafat, he says he is against terrorism but he knows there are such camps where terrorists get trained but he does not do anything against it. They should be punished.

09-14-2001, 05:26 PM	#9
hartman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Engelholm,Skane,Sweden Posts: 82	hm, so if a country has a terrorist supporting dictator, the people deserve to get bombed/killed/etc? about saddam, and him being "arrogant, self rightous, dictating, piece of shit". you, well not you but US foregin policy, has caused alot of deaths, iraq, vietnam, afganistan, japan etc,etc. this is clear facts that you cannot refuese to listen to, right? is it not then atleast arrogant and selfrightous by you to think that this attack is the worst thing thats ever happend, and wanting to start a fucking WAR? the 11 september around 20 000 children died of starvation, the 12 september areound 20 000 children died of starvation and so on. what was so special about the, 6-7000 dead in us? oh, right, they where all AMERICANS.. beliving that the whole world should be on your side, and mourning with you when 6-7k americans die is quite arrogant and selfrightous when at the same time 20k CHILDREN dies and you dont care a shit. [This message has been edited by hartman (edited 09-14-2001).]

09-14-2001, 05:32 PM	#10
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	You are one warped muther fucker hartman.

09-14-2001, 05:34 PM	#12
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	A war is against soldiers... yes everybody knows that in every war there will die innocents, but these terrorists aim for killing innocent people. I know that that the bombs on Japan might not have been something to be proud of but does Germany still suffer for what they did in WWII?

09-14-2001, 05:49 PM	#13
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	first of I think the term war is a little bit off. This will not be a war. A war is when two sides fight over something. this will be an elimination. There is alot of talk about us killing 1000's upon 1000's of innocent people when we strike back. I know some innocents will die. There is no doubt about that in my mind but who is to say that we are not just going to bomb stratigic targets and eliminate their government. The Taliban has asked us not to attack them because the afghan people are already miserable and this would make it worse. Who's fault is is that they are miserable? It is their own! Now they tell their people to prepare for a holy war? They made the decission to harbor this guy knowing that he was going to attack the US. this will be an elimination and then a long drawn out effort on their part to try and strike back. If innocents die, I'm sorry. But we can't just say " please don't do that again, it was bad." and hope for the best

09-14-2001, 05:50 PM	#14
MrBrian Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,215	why do you meatheads want a war? dont you know they have nukes, too?

09-14-2001, 05:53 PM	#15
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Goat/Tabasco farts don't count as nukes.

09-14-2001, 06:59 PM	#17
Red Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: nomad Posts: 518	There is no question about it. If we had been hit by guided missles, would anyone question whether war had been waged on us? No. Well, they used our commercial aircrafts as guided missles. Don't some of you see that? I'm no war monger, I'm a former flower child who demonstrated against the war in Viet Nam, but we have to defend ourselves. We were attacked and these people will attack again. They have no value of their own lives, nor anyone else's. It's not like we haven't helped Afghanistan, In 2001 alone, Kabul has received $124.2 million from the United States ? much of it in food aid. The last installment came in May at the urging of Secretary of State Colin Powell. We care more about the people of Afghanistan that the Taliban does. This is not a situation where we can turn the other cheek. Though this will not be war as we usually think of it. This will probably be fought more on a diplomatic level than on a military one. They have given us no choice. It's self defense. Red ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.eroticopy.com" TARGET=_blank>Eroticopy The Original adult copywriting service</A> Because porn does not live by pics alone

09-15-2001, 11:59 AM	#19
Bruno Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: São Paulo - SP - Brazil Posts: 1,241	I liked reading your views and opinions, but would like to hear more, please. For instance, don't you think an event like that is a threat against the Capitalism, not only against the US? It seems like an atack like this one is related to all the Globalization issues going on... What do yo guys think? Take care, Bruno

09-15-2001, 12:42 PM	#20
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	AY ! ARMAGEDDON !

09-15-2001, 12:47 PM	#21
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	Besides Saudi & Kuwait, the rest of those Middle Eastern countries are completely worthless to the world! They're just that little pain in the neck that will NOT go away. I say level them all!

09-15-2001, 12:59 PM	#22
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	These countries need democracy.. If they cannot impliment that,they will always live like barbaric cave people. It's the Government and media that makes certain cultures bad.I'm sure there are plenty of nice people in that country,but hey many innocent died here and there out celebrating in the streets. How can any civilised person celebrate that.. THERE INSANE... They are absolutely BARBARIC.. These people dont know what FREE IS... FUCK THERE ASSES... The republicans are serious about war,especially with senior bush being a fighter pilot and past history.. You don't fuck around with the Bush family.. These people are fucked.. WE NEED TO MAKE AN example out of these fuckers.. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND BROTHERS OF THE UN......

09-15-2001, 01:19 PM	#23
kuwawawah Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Frozen nutZ Posts: 348	The people in volved in the terrorist attack must be punished and destroyed. Killing innocent people will just cause more terrorism in us in the long run. Even killing bin laden will not stop terrorism, and the next man inline of bin might be 10 times crazier than bin himself. The chain reaction of everything will lead to a gloomy future and global economy will never be the same also. Hopefully the arab countries will give up bin laden and turn him in, then when terrorism in arab countries is controlled by arabs themself, we have a chance. Humanbeing has taken a step back in evolution and I don't know whats the awnser.

09-15-2001, 01:26 PM	#24
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	So what do you suggest then? We send Starsky & Hutch over there to round up Bin Laden and take him to court? It's not gonna happen. Bombs will fall and cruise missiles will fly. Everyone is bitching about killing "innocent" people by bombing, yet those same people have not offered any other alternative. I would really be interested in hearing some.

09-15-2001, 01:32 PM	#25
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	Ummm....has anyone mentioned the THOUSANDS of innocent people killed here!? And for absolutely no reason!

09-15-2001, 01:41 PM	#26
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	just like red, i've always been a pretty peaceful guy but when push comes to shove, i'll kick your ass twice if you fuck with me or my loved ones i have no problems with an orchestrated attack waged by as many allied countries as possible to start a war that will begin purging the terrorists from this planet

09-15-2001, 01:55 PM	#28
Rice_Master Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,582	They don't even deserve fruit loops, that is way too good to give them out.

09-15-2001, 02:04 PM	#30
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	They want to meet Allah. We are going introduce them.

09-15-2001, 04:27 PM	#31
Bruno Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: São Paulo - SP - Brazil Posts: 1,241	12clicks, Will you please let me know then what are your views on that subject? Enlighten an Idiot. lol Sorry to say, but I think that you didn't understand me... I agree with you and 99% of the Americans here - What they did is unforgiveable... but What I mean is, this should be taken as an atack to the whole civilized, globalized world. Don't you get the picture? The World Trade Center is the symbol of the Globalized world - look at the NAME of the building itself. I know you're all big and such here at the board, and I respect you for that, but please, don't call an idiot someone you don't know I'll be happy to hear your opinions! Take care bro, Bruno

09-15-2001, 04:54 PM	#32
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