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luv$ · 03-06-2005, 01:42 AM

What is the point of these threads? Really? All this fucking talk about blogs, you're just giving motivation to all these TGP fucks who fucked THAT game up by saturating the shit out of it.

You're not selling anything, you're just contributing to yet another lucrative field of adult being torn to shreds by stupidity.

I worry more about my $$ than being cool and trying to come off like I know something others don't - I suggest you do the same.

dunefield · 03-06-2005, 01:43 AM

www.dunefield.com thankyou...

Persius · 03-06-2005, 01:44 AM

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thaifan99 · 03-06-2005, 01:45 AM

Ban the Blog!!

smack · 03-06-2005, 01:45 AM

yeah, god forbid someone start a buisness related thread here.

cambaby · 03-06-2005, 01:47 AM

Yeah what he said

bdld · 03-06-2005, 01:48 AM

this thread has made me want to start dozens of blogs.. the other one didnt but this one did.

geeknik · 03-06-2005, 01:49 AM

blog blog blog blog. ;) you can't stop the revolution. shit or get off the pot.

cambaby · 03-06-2005, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bdld

this thread has made me want to start dozens of blogs.. the other one didnt but this one did.

die. kthx.

BIGTYMER · 03-06-2005, 02:10 AM

Because blogs are in! http://blog.askjolene.com

zentz · 03-06-2005, 02:13 AM

shut the fuck up

emthree · 03-06-2005, 02:16 AM

I've been wanting to say the same for a long time
I'm all for sharing information, but wtf is the point of saying "blogs are great!" 10X a day?

oh yeh and then there's "There's no money in SEO" being said by people who dont even do SEO

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by zentz

shut the fuck up

This is coming from a guy who could'nt follow through on a deal you and I had a while back.

Either you're stupid or lazy, but either is justification for your words to have no weight with me.

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:10 AM

Maybe we should just ban all businesss discussion on GFY, stop saturation.

$50 luv$ does or will own a blog

paxton · 03-06-2005, 11:12 AM

chemicaleyes · 03-06-2005, 11:13 AM

AWBlog.com coming soon

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Maybe we should just ban all businesss discussion on GFY, stop saturation.

$50 luv$ does or will own a blog

At which point did I say business discussions are bad?

I am all for business related threads, questions about blogs are one thing and should be asked.

But making a post about how great blogs are and why everyone should go out and make one are just plain stupid.

You see my logic, right?

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

At which point did I say business discussions are bad?

I am all for business related threads, questions about blogs are one thing and should be asked.

But making a post about how great blogs are and why everyone should go out and make one are just plain stupid.

You see my logic, right?

Just as stupid as having a sig up telling people to join this sponsor and put their links up fast.
Why would you want more people pushing your good sponsors, do you want to oversaturate it....?

DarkJedi · 03-06-2005, 11:17 AM

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Exactly darkjedi, he is jelaous.

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Just as stupid as having a sig up telling people to join this sponsor and put their links up fast.
Why would you want more people pushing your good sponsors, do you want to oversaturate it....?

haha, now you're just being argumentative.

Who I choose to have in my sig is a calculated choice I make based on variables I am made aware of by the industry's behaviour.

In case you had'nt noticed, AdultPlex is an advertiser with GFY. Just an example of what I mean. In the future I may have a sig promoting a no-name company, but that may well be because I know it's hot but my traffic does'nt do well with it, or something along those lines.

You know I have valid points with this thread. Just admit it.

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

haha, now you're just being argumentative.

Who I choose to have in my sig is a calculated choice I make based on variables I am made aware of by the industry's behaviour.

In case you had'nt noticed, AdultPlex is an advertiser with GFY. Just an example of what I mean. In the future I may have a sig promoting a no-name company, but that may well be because I know it's hot but my traffic does'nt do well with it, or something along those lines.

You know I have valid points with this thread. Just admit it.

The only thing you said that i agree with or make sense is that oversaturation is bad.

Who I choose to have in my sig is a calculated choice I make based on variables I am made aware of by the industry's behaviour.

Transaltion: I just got owned so i will use some big words that dont really mean anything when you thing about it.

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:24 AM

Alex, go troll elswhere. If my words don't make sense to you, it does'nt mean I got "owned" - it just means you're not too bright.

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:24 AM

luv$-

If over saturation is bad. Why whould you tell people to promote a sponsor that you can keep for your self and make a lot of money because its unsaturated.

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:25 AM

Telling people to promote this sponsor is just the same as telling people to start a blog.

Why do you condone the first but have a problem with the second

Dildozer · 03-06-2005, 11:29 AM

I agree,

Shut the fuck up about blogs. Shut the fuck up about SEO and shut the fuck up about spamming. Seriously there's enough retards in this biz fucking things up.

Let's all have a nice latte and pick a design for our 10th TGP

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:30 AM

Alex, again, please troll elsewhere, I've taken the bait and answered your questions already, I'm not going to respond to your efforts of self-validation. You can keep arguing if you want, but it's only with yourself.

Mike Dutch · 03-06-2005, 11:31 AM

http://blog.askjolene.com/mostpopular.php over 200 blogs meantained by surfers

JFPdude · 03-06-2005, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dildozer

I agree,

Shut the fuck up about blogs. Shut the fuck up about SEO and shut the fuck up about spamming. Seriously there's enough retards in this biz fucking things up.

Let's all have a nice latte and pick a design for our 10th TGP

10th was done a long time ago.

Barefootsies · 03-06-2005, 11:34 AM

Quote:

yeah, god forbid someone start a buisness related thread here.

Quote:

Just as stupid as having a sig up telling people to join this sponsor and put their links up fast.

Quote:

Transaltion: I just got owned so i will use some big words that dont really mean anything when you thing about it.

**HOWLING MANICAL LAUGHTER**

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Dutch

http://blog.askjolene.com/mostpopular.php over 200 blogs meantained by surfers

50% are webmasters

16k a day in free traffic to galleries

BVF · 03-06-2005, 11:35 AM

I was a Blog/Reality Site long before any of this shit.

Alex · 03-06-2005, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

Alex, again, please troll elsewhere, I've taken the bait and answered your questions already, I'm not going to respond to your efforts of self-validation. You can keep arguing if you want, but it's only with yourself.

Transaltion:

I dont want to answer your last question, because it contridicts everyhting that i have said so far in this thread.

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

I was a Blog/Reality Site long before any of this shit.

This I know.

gxer · 03-06-2005, 11:43 AM

i understand your point here Luv$ , but the good thing here is - none of those "TGP fucks" will start something competitive.
oops ... i run a TGP too

Seriously, i don't undertsand why should i bother to tell everyone "let's start a blogs", but again who gives a fuck about someone else sites...

PornHero · 03-06-2005, 11:46 AM

it always makes me sad to hear the whimpering of a dying dinasaur. boo hoo.

Dinosaur: "Instead of finding out myself how to make more money I am going to hate on people who ARE finding ways of making more money." boo hoo

PornHero was here. and HERE

PornHero

die bitch.

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornHero

it always makes me sad to hear the whimpering of a dying dinasaur. boo hoo.

Dinosaur: "Instead of finding out myself how to make more money I am going to hate on people who ARE finding ways of making more money." boo hoo

PornHero was here. and HERE

PornHero

die bitch.

Yes, that is exactly what I am, a "dying dinasaur"

My free tripod sites just are'nt pulling in any money anymore, and it's all because of blogs.

You're even more of a moron than Alex is.

I'm not hating on anyone in this thread.

PornHero · 03-06-2005, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

Yes, that is exactly what I am, a "dying dinasaur"

My free tripod sites just are'nt pulling in any money anymore, and it's all because of blogs.

You're even more of a moron than Alex is.

I'm not hating on anyone in this thread.

oh my bad,

just noticed you registered 3 months ago, shoulda not even wasted my time with a reply.

oh thanks for the ad space by the way:

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nico-t · 03-06-2005, 12:20 PM

im gonna start a blog now too, thanks

Violetta · 03-06-2005, 04:05 PM

Perhaps there will be money in TGP's again?

will76 · 03-06-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Just as stupid as having a sig up telling people to join this sponsor and put their links up fast.
Why would you want more people pushing your good sponsors, do you want to oversaturate it....?

Thats a closeminded statement if i ever heard one. Like we all advertise in the same place and the internet is small. Any of you here would lucky to reach 2% of the people online in your lifetime with your ads. Saturated? lol i could signup 1,000 people to clickcash and it would not affect my sales, and wait, hmmm if that happend I would be making more then i am making now from affiliate sales... LOL some people miss the boat, and the dock, and the coast line.. etc

will76 · 03-06-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by luv$

What is the point of these threads? Really? All this fucking talk about blogs, you're just giving motivation to all these TGP fucks who fucked THAT game up by saturating the shit out of it.

You're not selling anything, you're just contributing to yet another lucrative field of adult being torn to shreds by stupidity.

I worry more about my $$ than being cool and trying to come off like I know something others don't - I suggest you do the same.

and do people usually listen when you make a post telling them to stop talking about something, or does your post cause them to talk about it more ?

Pornwolf · 03-06-2005, 05:05 PM

I have nothing against any traffic source but blogs are being overhyped right now. Thanks to this overhyping we are going to see bazillions of purely spam blogs with no defineable personalities further diluting the blog traffic pool into shit.

Good work guys!

will76 · 03-06-2005, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

I have nothing against any traffic source but blogs are being overhyped right now. Thanks to this overhyping we are going to see bazillions of purely spam blogs with no defineable personalities further diluting the blog traffic pool into shit.

Good work guys!

Like we don't have bazillions of shit spam anything. The good ones will make the money, the shit spam ones will be people wasting their time and doing half ass like everything else they do. This is no different then anything else. Is ANYTHING not over "saturated" on the net. Do a little better then everyone else and dont worry about the rest.

cambaby · 03-06-2005, 05:10 PM

Look surfers are not stupid they will know the difference between a spam blog and a website that will offer them a unique alternative to the millions of circle jerking sites out there. Let these stupid fucks make spam blogs all day long more power to them.

woj · 03-06-2005, 05:19 PM

some people just have poor business sense... or maybe they are just clueless about blogs and are trying to bait people into giving out some tips...

JSA Matt · 03-06-2005, 05:22 PM

PornHero · 03-06-2005, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

I have nothing against any traffic source but blogs are being overhyped right now. Thanks to this overhyping we are going to see bazillions of purely spam blogs with no defineable personalities further diluting the blog traffic pool into shit.

Good work guys!

It may seem 'overhyped' to some because we are in the online business... we read and hear about the latest goings on in the internet everyday. The regular joe on the street with a credit card and a 9 to 5 office job isnt even sure what the hell a blog is - much less bookmark his first one.

Now wouldn't you want to position your business in front of future traffic sources rather than the old. tired, been-there-done-that a million times, played-out ones?

Just my

This is the last post I am making in this sorry ass thread.

I am through trying to 'convince' anyone - I have plenty of people contacting me that are open-minded and are willing to try new things. not one of you fucks should be commenting or giving your advice about the viability of blogs unless you have gone through the process of building a blog and have it up and running, and analyzed the results.

I have a blog. do you?

Anyone that comments on blogs and doesnt have one is speaking out of COMPLETE AND UTTER IGNORANCE.

thats my story and I'm stickin' to it.

PornHero

btw, for those blog friendly webmasters reading this, I am still accepting blog link trades email me at webmaster at pornhero dotcom

luv$ · 03-06-2005, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornHero

It may seem 'overhyped' to some because we are in the online business... we read and hear about the latest goings on in the internet everyday. The regular joe on the street with a credit card and a 9 to 5 office job isnt even sure what the hell a blog is - much less bookmark his first one.

Now wouldn't you want to position your business in front of future traffic sources rather than the old. tired, been-there-done-that a million times, played-out ones?

Just my

This is the last post I am making in this sorry ass thread.

I am through trying to 'convince' anyone - I have plenty of people contacting me that are open-minded and are willing to try new things. not one of you fucks should be commenting or giving your advice about the viability of blogs unless you have gone through the process of building a blog and have it up and running, and analyzed the results.

I have a blog. do you?

Anyone that comments on blogs and doesnt have one is speaking out of COMPLETE AND UTTER IGNORANCE.

thats my story and I'm stickin' to it.

PornHero

btw, for those blog friendly webmasters reading this, I am still accepting blog link trades email me at webmaster at pornhero dotcom

I am just in awe of your stupidity.

Looks like I have to spell it out for you:

People who have agreed with me in this thread are intelligent and understand the concept of protecting profitability. We don't fucking WANT idiots like you "convincing" anyone to do anything.

It's nothing to do with close minded people or whatever your self-delusionment can conjure up.

No, you're not some fucking guru or frontiersman of blogs - you're a sad excuse for a board persona.

Now fuck off and try to get a modeling job if you want to care about how cool you look to others.

PornHero · 03-06-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

I am just in awe of your stupidity.

Looks like I have to spell it out for you:

People who have agreed with me in this thread are intelligent and understand the concept of protecting profitability. We don't fucking WANT idiots like you "convincing" anyone to do anything.

It's nothing to do with close minded people or whatever your self-delusionment can conjure up.

No, you're not some fucking guru or frontiersman of blogs - you're a sad excuse for a board persona.

Now fuck off and try to get a modeling job if you want to care about how cool you look to others.

oooh the hate, i love it

protecting profitability. now that is the funniest fucking term I heard you mention in this whole thread.

You want to protect profitability?

Well here's how to do it.

DIVERSIFY YOUR REVENUE STREAMS.

I posted that more for the blogfriendly people reading this thread than for your sorry ass -- your pathetic excuse for a businessman.

Another fuckwad that has painted himself into a corner and doesnt wanna get out.

Protecting Profitability

now that's jokes.

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