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04-13-2005, 08:44 PM

Within 3 years, I am hoping to open up a club in Montreal

as a clubber, it is very easy for me to see what is wrong with the clubs I go to.

I want to open up a club with a GORGEOUS venue, waterfall walls, beautiful lighting, marble floors, and what not.

does anybody have experience with clubs? or investing in some? I would love to chat and learn a bit about it, what it takes, how much money it takes, the mob, etc.

let's talk here or on ICQ! 178340550

Tala · 04-13-2005, 08:46 PM

Sounds like an awesome venue, bdjuf, but your kinda club and mine are two TOTALLY different things.

Spunky · 04-13-2005, 08:49 PM

It takes deep pockets..like a million or 2 for starters

chaze · 04-13-2005, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdjuf

Within 3 years, I am hoping to open up a club in Montreal

as a clubber, it is very easy for me to see what is wrong with the clubs I go to.

I want to open up a club with a GORGEOUS venue, waterfall walls, beautiful lighting, marble floors, and what not.

does anybody have experience with clubs? or investing in some? I would love to chat and learn a bit about it, what it takes, how much money it takes, the mob, etc.

let's talk here or on ICQ! 178340550

We should start mirrored clubs one in Orange County and one there. With live telecasts between the two.

I like nice clubs too.

Fake Nick · 04-13-2005, 08:51 PM

opening a club is not a good idea

chowda · 04-13-2005, 08:52 PM

mutliple partners, definate set theme and group needed. promote for some and see how many asses u can bring b4 opening something up. :D

eddie-executive · 04-13-2005, 08:52 PM

fris · 04-13-2005, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdjuf

Within 3 years, I am hoping to open up a club in Montreal

as a clubber, it is very easy for me to see what is wrong with the clubs I go to.

I want to open up a club with a GORGEOUS venue, waterfall walls, beautiful lighting, marble floors, and what not.

does anybody have experience with clubs? or investing in some? I would love to chat and learn a bit about it, what it takes, how much money it takes, the mob, etc.

let's talk here or on ICQ! 178340550

make sure you pay your gst

or the tax man will be up your ass i know a bunch of clubs here have had to pay millions cause they tried to skip the short way out of liquor taxes

i would want to start with 4-5 million.

JSA Matt · 04-13-2005, 08:53 PM

you better start saving that money instead of buying ugly shoes if you seriosly want to open a club some day...

04-13-2005, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

make sure you pay your gst

or the tax man will be up your ass i know a bunch of clubs here have had to pay millions cause they tried to skip the short way out of liquor taxes

i would want to start with 4-5 million.

where would that 4-5 million go?

we're thinking getting 300k$ saved up, in cash, and get a loan for the rest or something

04-13-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

opening a club is not a good idea

why not?

Pipecrew · 04-13-2005, 08:56 PM

Every teenage idiots dream is to open up a club when they are older, You will grow out of it.. It's not a smart investment and not easy..

It's a cash business, just like any cash business, your employees are one of your biggest liabilities.

hydro · 04-13-2005, 08:56 PM

There are a bunch of other businesses that have a much lower startup and have higher returns. Clubs tend to fall off after a while

04-13-2005, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hydro

There are a bunch of other businesses that have a much lower startup and have higher returns. Clubs tend to fall off after a while

such as?

eddie-executive · 04-13-2005, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdjuf

why not?

1. underage drinking
2. drugs being sold
3. fights on the property

sweetums · 04-13-2005, 08:58 PM

bdjuf,

Being local to Montreal for a decade, I've seen more then one "nice" club/restaurant come and be out of business within the year. Much of your success is going to be in how much you dump into the place, your location, the time of year you open, and what you do in terms of marketing -- it's very conceivable that you won't see a real return for 6 months to a year. At the very least, you'll likely need have that much on hand to float the place and push hard on advertising.

As well, if you're looking to open a club in Montreal then be prepared for the visit from the HA. Not an "if" usually, as much of a "when". If you've already got your relations set there though, then that's one big obstacle you can check off

Either way...best of luck!! A really nice bar in Montreal is something I could handle....

Tuna · 04-13-2005, 08:59 PM

lots and lots of money. its not a good idea if you dont have money to burn.
your better off doing raves if you want to do something like that.

04-13-2005, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetums

bdjuf,

Being local to Montreal for a decade, I've seen more then one "nice" club/restaurant come and be out of business within the year. Much of your success is going to be in how much you dump into the place, your location, the time of year you open, and what you do in terms of marketing -- it's very conceivable that you won't see a real return for 6 months to a year. At the very least, you'll likely need have that much on hand to float the place and push hard on advertising.

As well, if you're looking to open a club in Montreal then be prepared for the visit from the HA. Not an "if" usually, as much of a "when". If you've already got your relations set there though, then that's one big obstacle you can check off

Either way...best of luck!! A really nice bar in Montreal is something I could handle....

I totally hear ya bro... alot to think about

Sly · 04-13-2005, 09:02 PM

HA = Hells Angels?

How much control and power do they have? I thought Canada was a safe and pleasant country!

04-13-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

HA = Hells Angels?

How much control and power do they have? I thought Canada was a safe and pleasant country!

it's more of a civilized gang here... but they show their presence when they want to

sweetums · 04-13-2005, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdjuf

I totally hear ya bro... alot to think about

Hey bdjuf....I'm not a bro but a "sis"

What kinda guy would have a nick like "sweetums" I ask you? heheheh

Sly · 04-13-2005, 09:04 PM

I don't think you should start something like that unless you have experience or you have a partner with experience. Another thing to remember, is just because a club may look "cool", doesn't mean its a success and profitable. There are many, many very busy restaurants and bars that go under simply because they can't make profit.

Busy & "cool" != success.

ricks · 04-13-2005, 09:06 PM

most montreal club owners dream about making the money you do

as an investment it is poor, might be fun though

don't expect to make a profit though especially in a market like montreal full of arabs and hatians that infest your club without 2 nickels to scrape together to even buy drinks

miami, ny, la is where the club money is, the other markets are peanuts

sweetums · 04-13-2005, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

HA = Hells Angels?

How much control and power do they have? I thought Canada was a safe and pleasant country!

Hey Sly -- the HA have different degrees of presence and power thru Canada. Montreal is one of their strongholds, but since the biker wars they've been trying to keep their business in their own realm. But every few years, we seem to get a rash of slayings.

However, their presence in the club scene in Montreal is pretty well known. They run the club drug scene and, eventually, they always want their claim their share and gain another space to run that business. Most every club owner I've talked to has had the "visit" at some point.

Tuna · 04-13-2005, 09:11 PM

Seriously, if you want to open a club work in one first so you understand how they work. when i was a teenager i would go to them and think someday im gonna open my own. Then i worked six years for one of the largest Dance Club operators in NYC and i realized i would need a few million and a shitload of luck. I ended up producing raves.

ricks · 04-13-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

I thought Canada was a safe and pleasant country!

canada is safe for the most part, montreal is not

montreal is infested with arab and hatian immigrants

basically if you can speak french the quebec government will let you live there because no real canadians want to speak the language and this is there only way to preserve it

they come from war torn countries and most of them carry knives

on any given weekend night there are dozens of fights that spill out to the street on crescent alone, most involve the arabs and there are many stabbings and shootings

the crime rate in montreal is comparable to some of the worst areas in the us

it is a great place to party still, but realize that it is very dangerous

Pipecrew · 04-13-2005, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

HA = Hells Angels?

How much control and power do they have? I thought Canada was a safe and pleasant country!

It is, but the hells angel would cruise into Bdjuf's club, see some 100lb 20 year old kid as the owner, and make him sign over the deed to his land haha.

pornguy · 04-13-2005, 09:18 PM

The club that is being built here by me is in the 5mil range, and that is with mexico prices.

chowda · 04-13-2005, 09:20 PM

maybe open a club would be like opening a paysite:

learn to build traffic first before starting the paysite.

promote promote promote.

sonofsam · 04-13-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

It is, but the hells angel would cruise into Bdjuf's club, see some 100lb 20 year old kid as the owner, and make him sign over the deed to his land haha.

It wouldn't make a difference if bdjuf had 20 Roid monkeys on staff... if they wanted you to do something you would have to do it..

seeric · 04-13-2005, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdjuf

Within 3 years, I am hoping to open up a club in Montreal

as a clubber, it is very easy for me to see what is wrong with the clubs I go to.

I want to open up a club with a GORGEOUS venue, waterfall walls, beautiful lighting, marble floors, and what not.

does anybody have experience with clubs? or investing in some? I would love to chat and learn a bit about it, what it takes, how much money it takes, the mob, etc.

let's talk here or on ICQ! 178340550

lets do it. i am thinking of moving there already. i a\have already moved to brasil once to open one with successful results. i go in open the venue, teach the owners how to run it and leave with the agreement that i resident there ance or twice a month.

seeric · 04-13-2005, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowda

maybe open a club would be like opening a paysite:

learn to build traffic first before starting the paysite.

promote promote promote.

nothing like it.

the_wizz · 04-13-2005, 09:48 PM

Get one of the production companies (you know, the same people who pay Paulie Jr. and Mikey to goof off on camera) to help you develop, fund, and video your club. From beginning to end.

Kevsh · 04-13-2005, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunky

It takes deep pockets..like a million or 2 for starters

Agreed, the bars alone cost a fortune. If you use a high-tech system to regulate the amount of alcohol poured into each drink it can cost $1M right there. With a lot of foot traffic you'll make it back quickly, but obviously a heavy initial investment is required.

xxxdesign-net · 04-13-2005, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricks

canada is safe for the most part, montreal is not

montreal is infested with arab and hatian immigrants

basically if you can speak french the quebec government will let you live there because no real canadians want to speak the language and this is there only way to preserve it

they come from war torn countries and most of them carry knives

on any given weekend night there are dozens of fights that spill out to the street on crescent alone, most involve the arabs and there are many stabbings and shootings

the crime rate in montreal is comparable to some of the worst areas in the us

it is a great place to party still, but realize that it is very dangerous

LOL Can you be more clueless?? Montreal isnt more dangerous than TO and Vancouver... VERY few murders in Montreal.. Where do you get your facts? AlloPolice?

xxxdesign-net · 04-13-2005, 10:06 PM

and for crimes in general.. Montreal is safer than vancouver... http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/qualit...ife/safety.htm

austinth · 04-13-2005, 10:09 PM

u should partner with 1 1st to see its the lifestyle u want

rickholio · 04-13-2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

LOL Can you be more clueless?? Montreal isnt more dangerous than TO and Vancouver... VERY few murders in Montreal.. Where do you get your facts? AlloPolice?

Don't give him facts, they'll just confuse him.

xNetworx · 04-13-2005, 10:24 PM

Find a handful of investors so after your club tanks (3 out of 4 do), you will still have made some $ but without all that risk.

BradM · 04-13-2005, 10:34 PM

Yep, then have a bunch of cu.nts come in and DESTROY the place in no time. Good idea dude.

KRL · 04-13-2005, 10:36 PM

Even the best clubs don't last long. Too trendy a biz. If you want to toss some bucks just for an ego kick, to have the VIP table permenantly reserved, and are in need of chicks, go for it.

If you do it, be sure to use OPM, not of dime of your own money.

Watch your bartenders and door people. If you are asleep at the switch, they will be all over your cash.

Make sure you realize in most cities you're going to be dealing with your local organzid crime guys who are going to want their cut.

Usually the cops will want a cut or hired as offduty security.

Have fun.

Hornydog4cooter · 04-13-2005, 10:40 PM

Very dangerous cash business to be in.......

Babagirls · 04-13-2005, 10:50 PM

i remember that phase (of wanting to start my own nighclub)

ahhhh.......to be young again

(i even made floor plans and everything LOL)

ricks · 04-13-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

LOL Can you be more clueless?? Montreal isnt more dangerous than TO and Vancouver... VERY few murders in Montreal.. Where do you get your facts? AlloPolice?

that is only because most crimes in montreal are not reported and even when they are the police will not investigate them

hangout outside any bar area on a weekend night and watch all the fights and stabbings, i've partied everywhere and montreal is definately the most violent city, i still love it though dont get me wrong

datatank · 04-13-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdjuf

Within 3 years, I am hoping to open up a club in Montreal

as a clubber, it is very easy for me to see what is wrong with the clubs I go to.

I want to open up a club with a GORGEOUS venue, waterfall walls, beautiful lighting, marble floors, and what not.

does anybody have experience with clubs? or investing in some? I would love to chat and learn a bit about it, what it takes, how much money it takes, the mob, etc.

let's talk here or on ICQ! 178340550

Did you guys get the show "The Club" in canada?
I would not wish owning a club on my worst enemy

seeric · 04-13-2005, 10:57 PM

it can be done. yes, still today. and i agree 2mil min. you will need at least 80-250k to assume the liquor license. i am sure that canada is pretty similar to the us as in the desire to collet hefty fees for the right to sell liquor.

skinnay · 04-13-2005, 11:10 PM

damn, i thought you were talking about a club sandwich. im hungry

ozmatt · 04-13-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Did you guys get the show "The Club" in canada?
I would not wish owning a club on my worst enemy

was "the club" that show that was shot at the club in vegas, where extreme paychecks had a party for internext....a1r3k played as well??

matt

04-13-2005, 08:44 PM	#1
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	let's talk about opening up a club Within 3 years, I am hoping to open up a club in Montreal as a clubber, it is very easy for me to see what is wrong with the clubs I go to. I want to open up a club with a GORGEOUS venue, waterfall walls, beautiful lighting, marble floors, and what not. does anybody have experience with clubs? or investing in some? I would love to chat and learn a bit about it, what it takes, how much money it takes, the mob, etc. let's talk here or on ICQ! 178340550

04-13-2005, 08:46 PM	#2
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Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Every teenage idiots dream is to open up a club when they are older, You will grow out of it.. It's not a smart investment and not easy.. It's a cash business, just like any cash business, your employees are one of your biggest liabilities.

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hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	There are a bunch of other businesses that have a much lower startup and have higher returns. Clubs tend to fall off after a while

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sweetums Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Icy Hellish Tundra Posts: 2,534	bdjuf, Being local to Montreal for a decade, I've seen more then one "nice" club/restaurant come and be out of business within the year. Much of your success is going to be in how much you dump into the place, your location, the time of year you open, and what you do in terms of marketing -- it's very conceivable that you won't see a real return for 6 months to a year. At the very least, you'll likely need have that much on hand to float the place and push hard on advertising. As well, if you're looking to open a club in Montreal then be prepared for the visit from the HA. Not an "if" usually, as much of a "when". If you've already got your relations set there though, then that's one big obstacle you can check off Either way...best of luck!! A really nice bar in Montreal is something I could handle.... __________________ ICQ: 114549321

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Tuna Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Steeler Country Posts: 1,307	lots and lots of money. its not a good idea if you dont have money to burn. your better off doing raves if you want to do something like that. __________________ $30 PER SIGNUP PLUS 25% RECURRING FREE HOSTED PIC AND MOVIE GALLERIES Submit Your Free Sites, Pic and Movie Galleries Here ICQ : 20034024

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Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,328	I don't think you should start something like that unless you have experience or you have a partner with experience. Another thing to remember, is just because a club may look "cool", doesn't mean its a success and profitable. There are many, many very busy restaurants and bars that go under simply because they can't make profit. Busy & "cool" != success. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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