What would you rather start today: a small paysite or a premium AVS site? - GoFuckYourself.com

tranza · 07-03-2006, 05:21 AM

If you had the content, design ready and servers, what would you rather start a small paysite with a few affiliates (probably using CCBill) or a premium AVS site, and work on your member database yourself.

Both cases you'd update 2 times a week.

Let me know why you choose your answer too, and which AVS would you recommend if you suggest AVSs.

tenderobject · 07-03-2006, 05:21 AM

nice thread bump for answer..

polish_aristocrat · 07-03-2006, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tenderobject

nice thread bump for answer..

dude you bumped it same minute as he started it

tranza · 07-03-2006, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

dude you bumped it same minute as he started it

Probably a bot, just to increase his postcount.

But this IS a nice thread.

Violetta · 07-03-2006, 05:26 AM

I DID start a small paysite 1 year ago! Can't say I regret!

Dugmor · 07-03-2006, 05:31 AM

We started our first paysite on an AVS.

Adult Bouncer Sweet Dominqiue

Making it's own paysite was the smartest thing we could ever do.... we built a loyal affilate webmaster following to open more paysites.

goldrush · 07-03-2006, 05:42 AM

Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead.

tranza · 07-03-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would disagree with you.

CIVMatt · 07-03-2006, 05:45 AM

I thought AVS was way dead, is it still a moneymaker?

goldrush · 07-03-2006, 05:47 AM

It's 2006... time to get independent, not more dependent.

tranza · 07-03-2006, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

It's 2006... time to get independent, not more dependent.

How are you more independent with a small paysite? You depend 100% your one and only processor. That wouldn't be a problem with an AVS using cascading processors.

IceMaster · 07-03-2006, 05:51 AM

I would choose small paysite.

justsexxx · 07-03-2006, 05:53 AM

I would make a small paysite...Why? Maybe the recurring will be less then on a huge AVS. However, YOU are in control...Upsells, popups, exits, legit mails to current/expired members etc...

tranza · 07-03-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

I would make a small paysite...Why? Maybe the recurring will be less then on a huge AVS. However, YOU are in control...Upsells, popups, exits, legit mails to current/expired members etc...

Good point.

michal · 07-03-2006, 05:55 AM

you can get more partners to push your paysite if its good

tranza · 07-03-2006, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by michal

you can get more partners to push your paysite if its good

Yeah, I know that, but I wonder if the low margins would be worth it.

EdgeXXX · 07-03-2006, 06:05 AM

IMHO, I would recommend going with a small paysite. The problem with many AVS sites these days is that they are too watered down and many of them look the same to the surfer (in other words, same content different design). It also depends on which AVS you choose, but what happens if a surfer visits your (AVS) site and notices that he/she "will also get access to many other great sites" so they decide to go and check out the other sites (to see what else is being offered before joining), decides "yeah, this is great" and signs up at whatever other AVS site they happen to be browsing at the time (not yours). Surfers don't know or care about who gets credit for what. On the other hand, if you wanted later to be able to sign up affiliates, I would recommend going AVS. The reason I say this is because (personally) I hate clicking on a "Webmasters" (Affiliate) link and seeing the CCBill affiliate signup; because it usually means that there will be NO promo content or materials of any kind, which can be a huge pain in the ass. Most times that I see that I just forget it and move on. If you do end up going through an AVS though, I would highly recommend going through one of the better ones like AdultBouncer or DeluxePass.

Also, keep in mind that since many AVS's have a fairly large member base, it is therefor easier for a pass cracker to bruteforce and find working user/pass combos. So if a surfer knows where to look, they can get a free pass to your AVS site without having to pay for it. Just my .02

goldrush · 07-03-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

How are you more independent with a small paysite? You depend 100% your one and only processor. That wouldn't be a problem with an AVS using cascading processors.

You could set up a cascading solution with your own paysite too... People should have learnt from Adultcheck.

tranza · 07-03-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

You could set up a cascading solution with your own paysite too... People should have learnt from Adultcheck.

But that wouldn't fall under a "small CCBill paysite" that I mentioned.

Brujah · 07-03-2006, 06:44 AM

Looks like a small paysite is the obvious winner. An AVS has the advantage of being easier though, and you could use it as a testing or beta phase for your paysite. Tweak it and improve it until you're satisfied with the process and the conversions are looking good, and then switch it or mirror it over to your own new paysite.

CIVMatt · 07-03-2006, 06:45 AM

Where can one find a faq or a down and dirty info on the avs biz?

scottybuzz · 07-03-2006, 08:08 AM

simply for me paysite, because my knowledge of avs is poor

tranza · 07-03-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

simply for me paysite, because my knowledge of avs is poor

Lol, thanks for the insight.

Sarah_Jayne · 07-03-2006, 08:21 AM

I am hoping to do both. I have a lot of premium AVS sites in niches that I would like to take forward and make into small paysites. Sort of like using AVS as my sandbox for a niche until I have it fully understood. As soon as they actually send me my British passport so I qualify for CCBill EU I am going to start the small paysites.

tranza · 07-03-2006, 10:04 AM

Bump for me.

clickhappy · 07-03-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockatansky

I DID start a small paysite 1 year ago! Can't say I regret!

Really? What happened?
I'm at this point too where Ive amassed a ton of content over the years and debating the paysite vs premium avs decision

CyberAgeGary · 07-03-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead.

I know affiliates that make over 20k a month submitting avs sites.. They still sell, the people think they are dead is because it got so much easier making paysites, that people stopped making avs sites..

Avs = paysites, with more content for the surfer..

tranza · 07-03-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

I know affiliates that make over 20k a month submitting avs sites.. They still sell, the people think they are dead is because it got so much easier making paysites, that people stopped making avs sites..

Avs = paysites, with more content for the surfer..

...

BoyAlley · 07-03-2006, 11:11 AM

I'd go with a paysite....

FUCK J0EL · 07-03-2006, 12:11 PM

yeah AVS is DEAD

justsexxx · 07-03-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

But that wouldn't fall under a "small CCBill paysite" that I mentioned.

Are you the only promoter? If so, why not add verotel and epoch?

One week you have ccbill, next week verotel...Etc etc..This way you have your eggs in more baskets too...

jayeff · 07-03-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

I know affiliates that make over 20k a month submitting avs sites..

Agreed. There must still be 2 or 3 people submitting every day to the remaining "traditional" AVS. It's the same 2 or 3 people submitting the same sites to every list, but hey...

fris · 07-03-2006, 12:45 PM

i promote www.onlygonzo.com from deluxepass, it does great for me. and the guy that runs is making good coin i am sure.

Barefootsies · 07-03-2006, 12:59 PM

A small paysite in a underexposed, or micro niche fo' shizzle my nizzle. The more specialized, the better. Although I would update a min. of 3 times a week. But that's just me.

CyberAgeGary · 07-03-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by J0EL

yeah AVS is DEAD

What's up Joel,

When are you ready to talk about my domains,

adultaccess.com

gayaccess.com

Hit me up, I'm ready to deal...

tranza · 07-03-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J0EL

yeah AVS is DEAD

Hey Joel, do you have ICQ? Hit me up when you get the chance.

chase · 07-03-2006, 01:23 PM

My amateur site started as a ProAdult Quantum site. I did have affiliates, too.

I think I will probably repeat if I ever start another paysite, because using an AVS gives you a safety net in which to learn, like Sarah said. If bandwidth goes crazy high, PA covers it; I'm on their free host. Billing is covered, and I can get affiliates' help promoting, too. Plus I have all the other AVS sites' and content to encourage browsers to join.

tranza · 07-03-2006, 03:11 PM

Last time bump for today....

dbyte · 07-03-2006, 06:35 PM

While we're at it... does any of the big AVS networks out there offer epass payouts or only check?

goldrush · 07-03-2006, 08:21 PM

I'd say one of the new video style AVSs (where the AVS owns the content) is quite a different proposition to an older style premium AVS site (where the webmaster owns the content) or a paysite.

Drake · 07-03-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dbyte

While we're at it... does any of the big AVS networks out there offer epass payouts or only check?

Adultsallowed.com offers epass, check, wire

MaddCaz · 07-03-2006, 08:53 PM

small paysite

avalanche · 07-03-2006, 08:57 PM

Definately small paysite!

he-fox · 07-03-2006, 09:18 PM

Why don't you make a small paysite AND a premium AVS site?

I'm a fan of trying every way possible when you do a new thing, because you don't know which option you'd feel confortable with.
Just name them differently and have another design done.

Maybe it's a bad idea, but, hey, it's just me...

Semi-Retired-Dave · 07-03-2006, 10:15 PM

For all of you that keeping saying AVS is dead you need to get that out of your head. AVS is not dead. Hit me up if you want to get started on one or boost up some older ones you may have.

tranza · 07-04-2006, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

I'd say one of the new video style AVSs (where the AVS owns the content) is quite a different proposition to an older style premium AVS site (where the webmaster owns the content) or a paysite.

Oh, hell yeah, it's a totally different ball game.

But on this case, I have the content myself.

tranza · 07-04-2006, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

For all of you that keeping saying AVS is dead you need to get that out of your head. AVS is not dead. Hit me up if you want to get started on one or boost up some older ones you may have.

I really don't understand your payout structure at all.

Do I get paid every month even when the surfer signs up for a 1 Year Pass?

nekrom · 07-04-2006, 07:19 AM

Imo I'd create a premium avs site for testing/tweeking then progress it into a small paysite.

As others have mentioned above most AVS sites have stricter rules about the amount of offsite links you can use. Also factoring in if they allow exit/popunder marketing, you can start to see the advantages of a paysite.

-N

Sarah_Jayne · 07-04-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

I really don't understand your payout structure at all.

Do I get paid every month even when the surfer signs up for a 1 Year Pass?

If it is a one year pass you get paid yearly, three month passes every three months and a month pass monthly as long as the stay a member. The vast majoirty stay a member. I have been bulding and promoting Cyberage Platinum sites for over four years and most of my surfers buy montly memberships with the odd three monthly thrown in. Now and then I get a yearly one but not that often.

CyberAge more or less gives you money..click bonus, the platinum pot share, etc.

I don't work for them at all and you may notice I never give my ref code when I mention them. They have simply been the one sponsor that has sent me a check every two weeks for four years and every check gets bigger. Some of the rebills I get are for sites put into their system years ago.

madko · 07-04-2006, 07:26 AM

i read all your post's .. i am starting my small paysite :D

View Poll Results: What would you rather start today? (post why you choose your answer)
Small Paysite	27	58.70%
Premium AVS	19	41.30%
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07-03-2006, 05:21 AM	#1
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	What would you rather start today: a small paysite or a premium AVS site? If you had the content, design ready and servers, what would you rather start a small paysite with a few affiliates (probably using CCBill) or a premium AVS site, and work on your member database yourself. Both cases you'd update 2 times a week. Let me know why you choose your answer too, and which AVS would you recommend if you suggest AVSs. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

07-03-2006, 05:21 AM	#2
tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,687	nice thread bump for answer.. __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

07-03-2006, 05:26 AM	#5
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	I DID start a small paysite 1 year ago! Can't say I regret! __________________ M&A Queen

07-03-2006, 05:31 AM	#6
Dugmor The Traffic Cowboy Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: BP4L - Vice Prez Posts: 7,593	We started our first paysite on an AVS. Adult Bouncer Sweet Dominqiue Making it's own paysite was the smartest thing we could ever do.... we built a loyal affilate webmaster following to open more paysites. __________________ JesusEmpire - The Most Trusted Mobile Marketing Service SMS Verification codes for 345 websites including: Tinder - Bumble - Twitter - TikTok - Instagram - Facebook

07-03-2006, 05:42 AM	#7
goldrush Will trade SE hits for CJ hits Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 661	Paysite for sure... AVS is sooo dead. __________________ 217303611

07-03-2006, 05:45 AM	#9
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07-03-2006, 05:47 AM	#10
goldrush Will trade SE hits for CJ hits Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 661	It's 2006... time to get independent, not more dependent. __________________ 217303611

07-03-2006, 05:51 AM	#12
IceMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,920	I would choose small paysite.

07-03-2006, 05:53 AM	#13
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	I would make a small paysite...Why? Maybe the recurring will be less then on a huge AVS. However, YOU are in control...Upsells, popups, exits, legit mails to current/expired members etc... __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

07-03-2006, 05:55 AM	#15
michal Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 356	you can get more partners to push your paysite if its good

07-03-2006, 06:05 AM	#17
EdgeXXX Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Secretely plotting a hostile takeover Posts: 5,816	IMHO, I would recommend going with a small paysite. The problem with many AVS sites these days is that they are too watered down and many of them look the same to the surfer (in other words, same content different design). It also depends on which AVS you choose, but what happens if a surfer visits your (AVS) site and notices that he/she "will also get access to many other great sites" so they decide to go and check out the other sites (to see what else is being offered before joining), decides "yeah, this is great" and signs up at whatever other AVS site they happen to be browsing at the time (not yours). Surfers don't know or care about who gets credit for what. On the other hand, if you wanted later to be able to sign up affiliates, I would recommend going AVS. The reason I say this is because (personally) I hate clicking on a "Webmasters" (Affiliate) link and seeing the CCBill affiliate signup; because it usually means that there will be NO promo content or materials of any kind, which can be a huge pain in the ass. Most times that I see that I just forget it and move on. If you do end up going through an AVS though, I would highly recommend going through one of the better ones like AdultBouncer or DeluxePass. Also, keep in mind that since many AVS's have a fairly large member base, it is therefor easier for a pass cracker to bruteforce and find working user/pass combos. So if a surfer knows where to look, they can get a free pass to your AVS site without having to pay for it. Just my .02 __________________ . . . . I have a sig Last edited by EdgeXXX; 07-03-2006 at 06:08 AM..

07-03-2006, 06:44 AM	#20
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Looks like a small paysite is the obvious winner. An AVS has the advantage of being easier though, and you could use it as a testing or beta phase for your paysite. Tweak it and improve it until you're satisfied with the process and the conversions are looking good, and then switch it or mirror it over to your own new paysite. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-03-2006, 06:45 AM	#21
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Where can one find a faq or a down and dirty info on the avs biz? __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

07-03-2006, 08:08 AM	#22
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07-03-2006, 08:21 AM	#24
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I am hoping to do both. I have a lot of premium AVS sites in niches that I would like to take forward and make into small paysites. Sort of like using AVS as my sandbox for a niche until I have it fully understood. As soon as they actually send me my British passport so I qualify for CCBill EU I am going to start the small paysites.

07-03-2006, 10:04 AM	#25
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Bump for me. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

07-03-2006, 11:11 AM	#29
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	I'd go with a paysite....

07-03-2006, 12:11 PM	#30
FUCK J0EL Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,899	yeah AVS is DEAD __________________ Joel Drapeau Dir Biz Dev Skype : gamma_joel Gamma Entertainment Home of top programs: FameDollars, BuddyProfits, and, AND NOW ADDING TO THE FAMILY ChaosMen EuroRevenues and AzianiGold

07-03-2006, 12:45 PM	#33
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07-03-2006, 12:59 PM	#34
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	A small paysite in a underexposed, or micro niche fo' shizzle my nizzle. The more specialized, the better. Although I would update a min. of 3 times a week. But that's just me. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

07-03-2006, 01:23 PM	#37
chase Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,019	My amateur site started as a ProAdult Quantum site. I did have affiliates, too. I think I will probably repeat if I ever start another paysite, because using an AVS gives you a safety net in which to learn, like Sarah said. If bandwidth goes crazy high, PA covers it; I'm on their free host. Billing is covered, and I can get affiliates' help promoting, too. Plus I have all the other AVS sites' and content to encourage browsers to join. __________________ Need Hosting? Reality Check Network services me purrrfectly!

07-03-2006, 03:11 PM	#38
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Last time bump for today.... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

07-03-2006, 06:35 PM	#39
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07-03-2006, 08:21 PM	#40
goldrush Will trade SE hits for CJ hits Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 661	I'd say one of the new video style AVSs (where the AVS owns the content) is quite a different proposition to an older style premium AVS site (where the webmaster owns the content) or a paysite. __________________ 217303611

07-03-2006, 08:53 PM	#42
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07-03-2006, 08:57 PM	#43
avalanche Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,922	Definately small paysite! __________________ Avalanche CherryPimps - Daily Pornstars, LIVE and more!

07-03-2006, 09:18 PM	#44
he-fox Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico Posts: 2,884	Why don't you make a small paysite AND a premium AVS site? I'm a fan of trying every way possible when you do a new thing, because you don't know which option you'd feel confortable with. Just name them differently and have another design done. Maybe it's a bad idea, but, hey, it's just me...

07-03-2006, 10:15 PM	#45
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	For all of you that keeping saying AVS is dead you need to get that out of your head. AVS is not dead. Hit me up if you want to get started on one or boost up some older ones you may have. __________________ Support a Good Cause

07-04-2006, 07:19 AM	#48
nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	Imo I'd create a premium avs site for testing/tweeking then progress it into a small paysite. As others have mentioned above most AVS sites have stricter rules about the amount of offsite links you can use. Also factoring in if they allow exit/popunder marketing, you can start to see the advantages of a paysite. -N

07-04-2006, 07:26 AM	#50
madko Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 566	i read all your post's .. i am starting my small paysite :D __________________ icq:222235540 skype:madko.d email: madkodesign at gmail dot com ------------------------------------