US military hates women, trying not to let women fight in direct ground combat

[nofx]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Women in the military would be barred from serving in direct ground combat roles, under a House bill that sets Defense Department policy and spending plans for the upcoming budget year.

The House Armed Services Committee approved the overall measure early Thursday on a 61-1 vote. The same committee in the Senate passed a different version last week. The House and Senate are to vote on their respective bills next week.

President Bush requested $442 billion for defense for the budget year that begins October 1, excluding money to pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The House bill, like the Senate's version, envisions creating a $50 billion fund for the conflicts for next year -- but provides no money for it.

The measure also calls for increasing the military by 10,000 Army soldiers and 1,000 Marines, boosting pay grades for uniformed personnel by 3.1 percent and permanently providing all Reserve and Guard members access to military health care services.

In a nearly 15-hourlong committee hearing, the most contentious issue was the role of women in combat.

The language would put into law a Pentagon policy from 1994 that prohibits female troops in all four service branches from serving in units below brigade level whose primary mission is direct ground combat.

"Many Americans feel that women in combat or combat support positions is not a bridge we want to cross at this point," said Rep. John McHugh, R-New York, who sponsored the amendment.

It also allows the Pentagon to further exclude women from units in other instances, while requiring defense officials to notify Congress when opening up positions to women. The amendment replaced narrower language in the bill that applied only to the Army and banned women from some combat support positions.

The Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps currently operate under a 10-year-old policy that prohibits women from "direct combat on the ground" but allows the services discretion to open some jobs to women in combat as needed.

"We're not taking away a single prerogative that the services now have," McHugh said.

Democrats opposed the amendment, saying it would tie the hands of commanders who need flexibility during wartime. They accused Republicans of rushing through legislation without knowing the consequences or getting input from the military.

"We are changing the dynamic of what has been the policy of this country for the last 10 years," said Rep. Vic Snyder, D-Arkansas.

Added Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, the committee's leading Democrat: "There seems to be a solution in search of a problem."

The issue arose last week, when Republicans, at the behest of Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-California, added a provision that would have banned women from being assigned to "forward support companies."

Those units provide infantry, armor and artillery units with equipment, ammunition, maintenance and other supplies in combat zones. The Army started allowing women to staff such support posts last year and says it is complying with the 1994 policy.

Some Republicans aren't so sure. "The Army is confused. They're all over the place on this one," Hunter said.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Wednesday the Army is working with Congress and battlefield commanders "to find an appropriate way that's consistent with our country's view on that subject."

He said the Army's attempt to reorganize and an asymmetrical front line on the battlefield muddies the issue.

Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Georgia, cast the lone dissenting vote on the overall bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/....ap/index.html

[12clicks]

dear worthless trash, here in America, we don't want our women in combat.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear worthless trash, here in America, we don't want our women in combat.

Dear GFY user, you don't speak for America.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by nofx

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/....ap/index.html

Anyone see the irony that the article points out that the policies were put in place 10 years ago, during the "dont ask dont tell" administration.

Guess the Bush bashers dont even read the articles they are told to copy and paste all over the internet.

Anyone want to bet 10 bucks that this exact article has been posted on all the other webmaster boards in the last hour.


Do you think they get extra cum in their ear if the title of the thread makes Bush look worse?

Its a circle jerk competition!

[theking]

In the history of the Army and the Marine Corp...women have never been allowed to be members of Combat Arms. I repeat...never.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Dear GFY user, you don't speak for America.

apparently, I do
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/....ap/index.html

[StickyGreen]

good, why the hell would you want females fighting in a war? lmao...

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

Anyone see the irony that the article points out that the policies were put in place 10 years ago, during the "dont ask dont tell" administration.

Guess the Bush bashers dont even read the articles they are told to copy and paste all over the internet.

Anyone want to bet 10 bucks that this exact article has been posted on all the other webmaster boards in the last hour.


Do you think they get extra cum in their ear if the title of the thread makes Bush look worse?

Its a circle jerk competition!

Try reading the article before you copy and paste, Rush Limbaugh:

The issue arose last week, when Republicans, at the behest of Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-California, added a provision that would have banned women from being assigned to "forward support companies."

Those units provide infantry, armor and artillery units with equipment, ammunition, maintenance and other supplies in combat zones. The Army started allowing women to staff such support posts last year and says it is complying with the 1994 policy.

The army says that Republicans are trying to take women out of certain roles that they held under the 1994 regulations.

Why do you hate the U.S. Army?

Why do you hate America?

You are helping the terrorists by lying about the U.S. army.

[LittleSassy]

no fair!we deserve equal rights...

[bringer]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Try reading the article before you copy and paste, Rush Limbaugh:

The issue arose last week, when Republicans, at the behest of Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-California, added a provision that would have banned women from being assigned to "forward support companies."

Those units provide infantry, armor and artillery units with equipment, ammunition, maintenance and other supplies in combat zones. The Army started allowing women to staff such support posts last year and says it is complying with the 1994 policy.

The army says that Republicans are trying to take women out of certain roles that they held under the 1994 regulations.

Why do you hate the U.S. Army?

Why do you hate America?

You are helping the terrorists by lying about the U.S. army.

"The Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps currently operate under a 10-year-old policy that prohibits women from "direct combat on the ground" but allows the services discretion to open some jobs to women in combat as needed."

kinda goes against the thread title dont you think?

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Try reading the article before you copy and paste, Rush Limbaugh:

The issue arose last week, when Republicans, at the behest of Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-California, added a provision that would have banned women from being assigned to "forward support companies."

Those units provide infantry, armor and artillery units with equipment, ammunition, maintenance and other supplies in combat zones. The Army started allowing women to staff such support posts last year and says it is complying with the 1994 policy.

The army says that Republicans are trying to take women out of certain roles that they held under the 1994 regulations.

Why do you hate the U.S. Army?

Why do you hate America?

You are helping the terrorists by lying about the U.S. army.

Title of the thread:
US military hates women, trying not to let women fight in direct ground combat

Paragrpah in article:
The language would put into law a Pentagon policy from 1994 that prohibits female troops in all four service branches from serving in units below brigade level whose primary mission is direct ground combat.

Another Paragraph in the article:
The Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps currently operate under a 10-year-old policy that prohibits women from "direct combat on the ground" but allows the services discretion to open some jobs to women in combat as needed.


Thanks for coming. I think you were more interested in bashing rush limbaugh than understanding my statements.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Dear GFY user, you don't speak for America.

Actually, he does a surprisingly good job sometimes.

[BuggyG]

weird.. but if ya hate someone
wouldn't ya let them be the first in line of fire???

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by LittleSassy

no fair!we deserve equal rights...

I doubt you could handle the stress.

Would you really want to be in a combat environment, more physical stress than you can imagine, and 10x the mental stress. Plus forget sleep or showering, sometimes for more than a week or two. You really want that equal right? What are you going to do when one of your buddies gets hit? I'll clue you in.. it not just a little hole in the shirt and a trickle of blood and they ask you to tell thier wife they love her then he closes his eyes. Its more like limbs blown off, people torn in half, screaming and flopping around. I've seen it first hand and i wouldnt wish it on anyone. How would you handle sleeping at night after you've pointed your weapon at a group of people, squeezed off a few rounds and watch them fall? You think the 'counseling' the military gives you can erase all that?

Maybe you should be careful of what you wish for, you just may get it.

I've met a couple of females that were already soldiers that could handle it, but they were exceptions to the case.

[psili]

US military hates women, trying not to let women fight in direct ground combat

NOFX - you are one of the masters at sensationalizing thread titles. Good for you man.

[nofx]

we need an army of whores to go fight our battles

who really gives a fuck if a bunch of whiney stupid cunts die

[David!]

Originally Posted by nofx

we need an army of whores to go fight our battles

who really gives a fuck if a bunch of whiney stupid cunts die

Is that how you feel about your mother?
You don't respect children, you don't respect women.
What are you, some kind of degenerated worthless piece of un-intelligent scum?

[nofx]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

Is that how you feel about your mother?
You don't respect children, you don't respect women.
What are you, some kind of degenerated worthless piece of un-intelligent scum?

I would shit on your mothers chest and rub my feces in her eyes. while she was blinded by my poo I would push her down a flight of stairs and then set her on fire and laugh and snort a line of coke as her carcass burned.

[David!]

Originally Posted by nofx

I would shit on your mothers chest and rub my feces in her eyes. while she was blinded by my poo I would push her down a flight of stairs and then set her on fire and laugh and snort a line of coke as her carcass burned.

Here, read this, you really need it:

[TheDoc]

I was an MP changed to SRT in the Marines. I had my share of urban warfare. I know plenty of women that would be as good as any guy on the front lines. In every aspect.

I see the problem in a different light. The simple things like rapes, new tortures, possible relationships and the often male/female personality clashing that can happen. It?s bad enough with just guys.

Or the real facts, the all so fun menstrual cycle and the smell of ladies that don't shower for weeks at a time.

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

Anyone see the irony that the article points out that the policies were put in place 10 years ago, during the "dont ask dont tell" administration.

Guess the Bush bashers dont even read the articles they are told to copy and paste all over the internet.

Anyone want to bet 10 bucks that this exact article has been posted on all the other webmaster boards in the last hour.


Do you think they get extra cum in their ear if the title of the thread makes Bush look worse?

Its a circle jerk competition!

yep you speak the truth.

What the asswipe that started this thread with....
US military hates women, trying not to let women fight in direct ground combat

overlooked is it's not the US Military, it's the US congress,
fucking asswipe, sometime they are sooooo stupid it's fucking funny. I'll say again stupid asswipe

[tony286]

women should not be fighting , men and women are not the same.

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by tony404

women should not be fighting , men and women are not the same.

This is a correct. Only thing is more the traning

Some of the training I went though in the Army and where I went through it, there would be very very few women that could do it. And I was in dam good shape before I went in.

Some of the special units no fucking way could they do it.

[pornguy]

I dont think that they should be barred from being in combat.

Someone has to do the laundry.


J/K

[Monique Niccole]

I think your thread title is way off. The US doesn't want women to fight so they "hate women"? Ridiculous.

I think they're protecting them. I'm sure that may not be seen favorably by the women who really want to be on the front lines, but I don't see a problem with it. We're not fighting people who "play fair". We're fighting animals who take hostages, violate them in any way possible, and treat their own women like shit. Add that up and it equals a bad situation for female soldiers. Captured female soldiers often experience torturous treatment above and beyond that of their male counterparts AND that treatment is often used to influence male captives (i.e. I'm raping your fellow soldier, so give me some information). The US government should protect their soldiers in combat to the extent that they are able to, and if keeping female soldiers off the front line does that, then so be it.

Then again, I'm a feminist, not a femi-Nazi.

[reynold]

Then let them eat all the mortars!