I buy thumbtgps

[RawAlex]

if you have a thumb tgp and you want out before 2257 makes your life miserable, I pay anywhere from $1 to $25 per site depending on traffic.

rawalex hotmail.



Alex

[bret]

i will pay $2 to $26 for the same site.

[tedwinters]

fine.. I'll pay $30 for a fully developed site heheh

[Pete-KT]

I will pay 50-100 for the same site

[bret]

$101.00

[xxxmaster]

i have a few sites for sale all with traffic! icq me

125 IF ........... it has traffic

[Joesho]

I will also take a look at your sites,

I also have a solution that does not involve you having to sell completely, and a way for you to continue to be in the business, and make money and grow.

see sig for icq info .

[fireorange]

Originally Posted by Joesho

I will also take a look at your sites,

I also have a solution that does not involve you having to sell completely, and a way for you to continue to be in the business, and make money and grow.

see sig for icq info .

Remote Thumbs is not a solution.

You won't be able to get away not having 2257 documents if you hotlink.

[pornpf69]

fuck 2257

[pornpf69]

why not move things to hosts outside US? doesnt that solve the problem?

[fireorange]

Originally Posted by pornpf69

why not move things to hosts outside US? doesnt that solve the problem?

For a US webmaster? No.....

[Joesho]

Originally Posted by fireorange

Remote Thumbs is not a solution.

You won't be able to get away not having 2257 documents if you hotlink.

Remotethumbs is a product of ours.

We have a solution that has nothing to do with remotethumbs.

I do not understand what you mean by hotlink?

who hotlinks?

[RawAlex]

even for webmasters outside us, if you content, hosting, payment processor, sponsors, or anything touches the US, you could be part of the game. Running and hiding your stuff will just piss the DOJ off worse.

Joesho, sorry, but anything published, even inside an IFRAME is a no go. Buying the domains from ignorant newbs then letting them operate the sites isn't going to change it (they are still a publishing, therefore they need records). It's a nice try, but it won't float the boat. It is, however, a good attempt to profit from the misery of others, always a cool thing to do.

Alex

[RawAlex]

First two purchases made. Keep them coming.

Alex

[fireorange]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

First two purchases made. Keep them coming.

Alex

Hah, for real?

I'll buy 100k/day Thumb TGPs for $100

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

even for webmasters outside us, if you content, hosting, payment processor, sponsors, or anything touches the US, you could be part of the game. Running and hiding your stuff will just piss the DOJ off worse.

Joesho, sorry, but anything published, even inside an IFRAME is a no go. Buying the domains from ignorant newbs then letting them operate the sites isn't going to change it (they are still a publishing, therefore they need records). It's a nice try, but it won't float the boat. It is, however, a good attempt to profit from the misery of others, always a cool thing to do.

Alex

Being outsude USA does not help!
Right now my house is surrounded by 100 FBI agents, yesterday my neighbour was sentenced to death for not complying with the new 2257 regulations...

even if you run a tiny 3 uniques TGP you will be HUNTED down !!!!

[stev0]

Originally Posted by pornpf69

fuck 2257

that's what i like to hear

[Tuga]

The sky is faling!

[Joesho]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

even for webmasters outside us, if you content, hosting, payment processor, sponsors, or anything touches the US, you could be part of the game. Running and hiding your stuff will just piss the DOJ off worse.

Joesho, sorry, but anything published, even inside an IFRAME is a no go. Buying the domains from ignorant newbs then letting them operate the sites isn't going to change it (they are still a publishing, therefore they need records). It's a nice try, but it won't float the boat. It is, however, a good attempt to profit from the misery of others, always a cool thing to do.

Alex

You are wrong alex, I have a way that they make money and stay in business, what you are doing is trying to scare them into selling you there hard work and sites at paupers prices, that is what is wrong, whom is trying to profit from others misery? seems to me you are .

As I said anyone that wants a real solution to stay in business and keep their hard earned money and workmanship thus far, I am here to discuss it with you at anytime .

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Being outsude USA does not help!
Right now my house is surrounded by 100 FBI agents, yesterday my neighbour was sentenced to death for not complying with the new 2257 regulations...

even if you run a tiny 3 uniques TGP you will be HUNTED down !!!!

stop it you are scarying me

[RawAlex]

joesho the thread is a bit of a joke... and some people are have taken it seriously and there you go.

I have yet to see a way for someone to remain in the adult business who lives in the US, regardless of where their websites are located because they will be be publishers and will be required to have 2257 documents for everything they publish on domains they own. Now, if you are suggesting they set up offshore shell companies, transfer domains to control of a third party, or anything like that to avoid record keeping, I don't see how that is truly going to help.

Enlighted us all.

Alex

[RawAlex]

... and???

[RawAlex]

joesho, did I hit to close to home? To close to the truth? You seem very quiet on this all of a sudden.

[adonthenet]

126$ if traffic is good.

$127.50 if traffic is very good

[SKULL]

All you have to do is make non-sexual thumbs, faces n stuff like that and you'll be ok...

[Joesho]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

joesho the thread is a bit of a joke... and some people are have taken it seriously and there you go.

I have yet to see a way for someone to remain in the adult business who lives in the US, regardless of where their websites are located because they will be be publishers and will be required to have 2257 documents for everything they publish on domains they own. Now, if you are suggesting they set up offshore shell companies, transfer domains to control of a third party, or anything like that to avoid record keeping, I don't see how that is truly going to help.

Enlighted us all.

Alex

I do not take peoples business and hard work as a joke, as many here seem to do!

I will be glad to enlighten the peolple that have a valid interest, but not add fodder to your peanut gallery to make light of or take in a joking manner.

as far as why I did not answear you last night, In case you did not think it possible people do have lives outside of the drama that is GFY, I was out on a nice Hike in a beautiful park with my family on a sunny northwest day.

As i said, for anyone that has concernes feel free to contact me and we can discuss you situation on a one on one conversation and find out what YOUR specific needs/wants might be . If I can help you and we have a solution that fits what you want to do then lets do it, if not then how are you in a worst situation than you are in now?

I would of course anyone that has any questions after we talk to consult their own council ( legal) and not listen to people like Alex that think this is a joke of some kind that you may go to jail or lose your business.

I am sure many of you are aware of all the misinformation campaigns that have been so prevelant in this industry.

I am interested in serious business, and good hard workers that want to grow and reamian for the long haul.

I have no use for charletons, or bullshitters, or people that feel that misinforming another is something positive.

[RawAlex]

I am sure many of you are aware of all the misinformation campaigns that have been so prevelant in this industry.

I am interested in serious business, and good hard workers that want to grow and reamian for the long haul.

I have no use for charletons, or bullshitters, or people that feel that misinforming another is something positive.

...and exactly how can we tell that something so secret you can't talk about isn't an idea from a "charleton"?

So far I have heard ideas like moving companies offshore, trust funds, and other "work arounds" all of which don't relieve the US based webmasters of his responsiblity towards the law. If anything, attempting to sit on the head of a legal pin is probably only going to make the DOJ more upset with you, and more likely to take action.

I didn't suggest anyone's business was a joke, nice high school debate club trick dude. This thread started as a joke, some people take it seriously, I can't stop them. The only thing that I think is a joke is someone who had a solution BEFORE the rules were published, and yet can't disclose it?

I understand your pain. Thumbstgps look to be a legal nightmare, and you are in the business of remote supply of thumb galleries. Your scrambling, your running, and your in a bit of a panic. I can understand that. But rather than cryptic "we have a solution we can't talk about" how about addressing the real issue of remote thumbs and how that can legally operate after june 23rd?

(Oh yeah, a cut down thumd from a hardcore image is still a hardcore image... you have to store the original so that is how it will likely be judged for 2257 purposes... so all headshots isn't going to solve it).

Please, again, I ask you to enlighen us, not talk down to us.

Alex

[Joesho]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

...and exactly how can we tell that something so secret you can't talk about isn't an idea from a "charleton"?

So far I have heard ideas like moving companies offshore, trust funds, and other "work arounds" all of which don't relieve the US based webmasters of his responsiblity towards the law. If anything, attempting to sit on the head of a legal pin is probably only going to make the DOJ more upset with you, and more likely to take action.

I didn't suggest anyone's business was a joke, nice high school debate club trick dude. This thread started as a joke, some people take it seriously, I can't stop them. The only thing that I think is a joke is someone who had a solution BEFORE the rules were published, and yet can't disclose it?

I understand your pain. Thumbstgps look to be a legal nightmare, and you are in the business of remote supply of thumb galleries. Your scrambling, your running, and your in a bit of a panic. I can understand that. But rather than cryptic "we have a solution we can't talk about" how about addressing the real issue of remote thumbs and how that can legally operate after june 23rd?

(Oh yeah, a cut down thumd from a hardcore image is still a hardcore image... you have to store the original so that is how it will likely be judged for 2257 purposes... so all headshots isn't going to solve it).

Please, again, I ask you to enlighen us, not talk down to us.

Alex

I will as I have repeatedly said discuss this mater with people that have a viable business model that it effects personally, not have some drama debate with a canadian that has no business that this concerns and is trying to find a flaw, ( are you a lawyer alex?)

I have a business solution for many ( not all) and they may find it useful; to them, ( did you miss the part where I suggest they talk with council of competent legal standing) not take some board bullshit, I am only interested in discussing this not in secret, but with actual people with real BUSINESS concerns. Then if it is a fit for them great, if not as I said before what harm does befall them ? they are still in the same postition.
I will say again, I always suggest people talk to their own attorney in ANY matter concerning their own safety, if my business solutions are good for them, then I think your voice is actually irrelevent in the matter is it not?

as far as the thumb tgp issue, it is a seperate issue, and we have a seperate working model for it.... so if you have a solution then use it, we will see who's works and who's doesn't I would assume though ( as should you) that if a sponsor operating FHG's does not have that proper 2257 for their affiliates to use, then they will not be able to be a sponsor in our system of thumbs???? is that really hard to understand?

I would remind you that we also have the ability to run our tgp system with an offshore procesor for our clients, and we can completely block USA traffic if need be ...

so think what you want, but if you have any REAL BUSINESS concerns then you would not be slinging shit, but you would be looking for a solution.

I HAVE A FEW!!!!! do you? or do you just have some knowledge of what is and what is not legal oh great oracle of law?

[RawAlex]

Joe, nice try. Since you don't know my business, you have no clue what my responsiblities are or are not towards US law. That is totally beyond the scope of your understanding.

I am not a lawyer, but I am smart enough to know that attempting to hide offshore or somehow sidestep application of these rules may have other implications people are not considering, and that you are not bringing forth or are not concerned with seeing that you live in panama.

As for remote thumbs, I assume that those sponsors are not only going to send you the documents, but send those documents with a list of thumbs and their use, cross references, and all to each individual tgp owner? Are you suggesting that your lawyers have come to an airtight solution in less than 24 hours that will somehow get around the law without risk to webmasters?

I'm sorry, I saw you on other board pushing the "solution" before the rules were even published... which makes me wonder exactly how you could see into the future.

The real solutions lies in following the law, not trying to dodge around it like some cosmic game of chicken.

Alex