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Dirty Dane · 05-25-2005, 12:37 PM

Finally had the time to read all the bs...

"While the Department is certainly concerned about possible crimes against
performers and businesses that employ them, the necessity of maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited outweighs these concerns."

By this statement they confirm that their money means more than life. Why? Because when it comes to all, this hole bs is not about protect children itself, but to make it easier for them to investigate the greyzones (Read: greyzones - because if its obviously CP, which most probably are outside US, whats the point with 2257 anyway?). So with less ressources (= less money), they can investigate on behalf of performers and producers security.
The most ironic part of this, in these terrorist times, is that securing the popupation, is one of their "high priorities". Now, can anyone claim that there are no clever psychopats out there who will not take advantage of this???

Why not just spend more money on investigating, instead of risking peoples life and health? I'm really looking forward (unfortunately) to first case will be end up in court. Media (those still independent) gonna love it!

Sorry about another tread, probably discussed before, but now their standpoints are official. Just wanted to share my thoughts about this, because I am one of those who got strange phone-calls from stalkers 4AM, until I changed my phone # and started legally using whois protection. It was funny the first time, but believe me, after 5 nights its not funny anymore.

Back to work...

sonofsam · 05-25-2005, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Finally had the time to read all the bs...

"While the Department is certainly concerned about possible crimes against
performers and businesses that employ them, the necessity of maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited outweighs these concerns."

that is fucking retarded

Bansheelinks · 05-25-2005, 12:41 PM

this piece of shit won't hold up.

iwantchixx · 05-25-2005, 12:42 PM

that's the thing about it that has my stomach in knots for everyone.

Dirty Dane · 05-25-2005, 12:47 PM

They also say this to cover it up:

"Furthermore, specifically regarding personal
information about performers required to be provided to primary
producers, the Department notes that the information required is no
different from that required by other forms of employee or business
records, such as social security numbers and dates of birth required
for tax reporting purposes, emergency contact numbers in case of health
problems, or addresses used to transmit paychecks."

wtf? this is porn industry, not a bakery store. What kind of people thinks like that?

GatorB · 05-25-2005, 12:52 PM

When another 9-11 happens and it comes out that manpower and resources were being used to go after pornographers instead of terrorists, both Gonzales and Bush will have to answer for that. And they won't be able to use the "We were protecting children" crap. Because I can guarantee you that if you polled Americans and you gave them a choice to A) stop pornogrpahy or B ) Stop terrorists. 99% would pick B.

Lifer · 05-25-2005, 12:55 PM

What the fuck do you care??

You are in Denmark!!

And you don't own a pay site, nor provide content.

Furious_Male · 05-25-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

this piece of shit won't hold up.

I wouldnt bet on that.

Dirty Dane · 05-25-2005, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifer

What the fuck do you care??

You are in Denmark!!

And you don't own a pay site, nor provide content.

Hi Lifer.

Affiliates are now defined as producers, and as long we use one single banner with sexual explicite image, the laws apply to affilates as well. Like I said, I read the hole bs....

As goes for location, you still have to obey if you operate on US market. And about care: This is not about jail or not for me, but about those partners and models I make money with. So I care, yes.

Lifer · 05-25-2005, 01:09 PM

I read it.

You are not US so they are not interested in you. They already said so.

The only thing you might have to worry about is credit card processing. But you are not processing the credit cards. The sponsor site is either through CCBill or other merchant accounts.

This does not affect you, as far as I can see.

And it only affects me because I am a US citizen living abroad and hosting in NY.

I want my ban lifted by the way.

PM me with a new password... ok??

I'll be good, I promise

GatorB · 05-25-2005, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifer

I read it.

You are not US so they are not interested in you. They already said so.

The only thing you might have to worry about is credit card processing. But you are not processing the credit cards. The sponsor site is either through CCBill or other merchant accounts.

This does not affect you, as far as I can see.

If he promotes American sponsors they can refuse to cut him a check if they change their TOS to say that ALL affiliate have to comply with 2257.

If you non-American, non-US hosting, using non-US Sponsors that us non-US processing. Basically EVERYTHING on-US then no you don't have to be bothered by it. Though technically you are still breaking the law if you are trying to sell to US citizens. So just don't ever come to the US.

iwantchixx · 05-25-2005, 01:17 PM

what the hell? You got banned from one of his forums? HAHAHA/. Wtf did you do? Post granny pictures? Takes a lot to get banned by him. he's a pretty damn good businessman and doesn't shun people for trying to make money off his forums.

Lifer · 05-25-2005, 01:20 PM

GatorB, that is bull shit

I got banned cuz I posted personnal views about a sponsor in a picture forum for whom he is an affiliate.

iwantchixx · 05-25-2005, 01:21 PM

Whether based in US or in switzerland or the north pole. It's in everyone's best interest to comply regardless of your location. WHo knows if visa willr equire it to process your signups generated from the US, or who knows if sponsors will require you haev it regardless of lcoation to protect their own interests. Besides, it just makes good sense to document everything in your business, including your content. The ONLY difference for me, seeing as I am non US, is I am NOT providing my home adress or phone number on any public page. They can email me to request that information or look at my whois information.

GatorB · 05-25-2005, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifer

GatorB, that is bull shit

.

What is bullshit. Try reading the regs.

Foreign
producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then
their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited.

This is from the regs. Go argue with Gonzales about this.

Dirty Dane · 05-25-2005, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

If he promotes American sponsors they can refuse to cut him a check if they change their TOS to say that ALL affiliate have to comply with 2257.

Exactly. Except some stuff like the record-keeping on the physical adress. I hardly think the feds go to Europe without checking the sponsor first, or at all.

iwantchixx · 05-25-2005, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifer

GatorB, that is bull shit

I got banned cuz I posted personnal views about a sponsor in a picture forum for whom he is an affiliate.

Well, I guess I don't blame him then. He has a business to protect. Besides, surfers have no need to know the inner workings of the industry.

Dirty Dane · 05-25-2005, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifer

GatorB, that is bull shit

I got banned cuz I posted personnal views about a sponsor in a picture forum for whom he is an affiliate.

There's much more to it than that, you know that, and Im kind enough not to post it in public, because it really dont concern anyone else. So let us just keep it that way.

Lifer · 05-25-2005, 01:34 PM

That's why I said it the way I said it.

05-25-2005, 12:37 PM	#1
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Well thank you DOJ for clearing this up! Finally had the time to read all the bs... "While the Department is certainly concerned about possible crimes against performers and businesses that employ them, the necessity of maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited outweighs these concerns." By this statement they confirm that their money means more than life. Why? Because when it comes to all, this hole bs is not about protect children itself, but to make it easier for them to investigate the greyzones (Read: greyzones - because if its obviously CP, which most probably are outside US, whats the point with 2257 anyway?). So with less ressources (= less money), they can investigate on behalf of performers and producers security. The most ironic part of this, in these terrorist times, is that securing the popupation, is one of their "high priorities". Now, can anyone claim that there are no clever psychopats out there who will not take advantage of this??? Why not just spend more money on investigating, instead of risking peoples life and health? I'm really looking forward (unfortunately) to first case will be end up in court. Media (those still independent) gonna love it! Sorry about another tread, probably discussed before, but now their standpoints are official. Just wanted to share my thoughts about this, because I am one of those who got strange phone-calls from stalkers 4AM, until I changed my phone # and started legally using whois protection. It was funny the first time, but believe me, after 5 nights its not funny anymore. Back to work...

05-25-2005, 12:55 PM	#7
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	What the fuck do you care?? You are in Denmark!! And you don't own a pay site, nor provide content. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

05-25-2005, 01:09 PM	#10
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	I read it. You are not US so they are not interested in you. They already said so. The only thing you might have to worry about is credit card processing. But you are not processing the credit cards. The sponsor site is either through CCBill or other merchant accounts. This does not affect you, as far as I can see. And it only affects me because I am a US citizen living abroad and hosting in NY. I want my ban lifted by the way. PM me with a new password... ok?? I'll be good, I promise __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

05-25-2005, 01:20 PM	#13
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	GatorB, that is bull shit I got banned cuz I posted personnal views about a sponsor in a picture forum for whom he is an affiliate. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

05-25-2005, 01:34 PM	#19
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	That's why I said it the way I said it. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

05-25-2005, 12:41 PM	#3
Bansheelinks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,023	this piece of shit won't hold up.

05-25-2005, 12:42 PM	#4
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	that's the thing about it that has my stomach in knots for everyone.

05-25-2005, 12:47 PM	#5
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	They also say this to cover it up: "Furthermore, specifically regarding personal information about performers required to be provided to primary producers, the Department notes that the information required is no different from that required by other forms of employee or business records, such as social security numbers and dates of birth required for tax reporting purposes, emergency contact numbers in case of health problems, or addresses used to transmit paychecks." wtf? this is porn industry, not a bakery store. What kind of people thinks like that?

05-25-2005, 12:52 PM	#6
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	When another 9-11 happens and it comes out that manpower and resources were being used to go after pornographers instead of terrorists, both Gonzales and Bush will have to answer for that. And they won't be able to use the "We were protecting children" crap. Because I can guarantee you that if you polled Americans and you gave them a choice to A) stop pornogrpahy or B ) Stop terrorists. 99% would pick B.

05-25-2005, 01:17 PM	#12
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	what the hell? You got banned from one of his forums? HAHAHA/. Wtf did you do? Post granny pictures? Takes a lot to get banned by him. he's a pretty damn good businessman and doesn't shun people for trying to make money off his forums.

05-25-2005, 01:21 PM	#14
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	Whether based in US or in switzerland or the north pole. It's in everyone's best interest to comply regardless of your location. WHo knows if visa willr equire it to process your signups generated from the US, or who knows if sponsors will require you haev it regardless of lcoation to protect their own interests. Besides, it just makes good sense to document everything in your business, including your content. The ONLY difference for me, seeing as I am non US, is I am NOT providing my home adress or phone number on any public page. They can email me to request that information or look at my whois information.