2257 question, I'm clueless - GoFuckYourself.com

Fucksakes · 05-27-2005, 10:02 PM

If I list a video on my site from a sponsor, and link the sponsors 2257 page next to the video am I ok?

jazzll · 05-27-2005, 10:10 PM

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 1,221

Hence the answer to your question, Yes.

If you were a US citizen, no. You'd need to comply with the new 2257 law (i.e. have the model IDs archived in your office/home ready for inspection).

Fucksakes · 05-27-2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzll

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 1,221

Hence the answer to your question, Yes.

If you were a US citizen, no. You'd need to comply with the new 2257 law (i.e. have the model IDs archived in your office/home ready for inspection).

damn so basically I need to contact every sponsor to send me the documents of every video I got on my site? and they are all going to do this for everyone.

and yeah I know I live in canada but I want to be as legit as possible.

jazzll · 05-27-2005, 10:32 PM

I'm not aware of Canadian law, do you need model IDs or can you put a link to your sponsor's address?

The European country I live in, all I need is a link to a page with an address that has the model IDs.

I'm sure there are Canadians reading this who might be able to help you out or find a lawyer.

GatorB · 05-27-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzll

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 1,221

Hence the answer to your question, Yes.

Please don't take his advice. Ask a lawyer. It's not as simple as YES.

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If you were a US citizen, no. You'd need to comply with the new 2257 law (i.e. have the model IDs archived in your office/home ready for inspection).

Re-read the rule EVERY who wishes to sell porn to the US market has to comply. And if someone in the USA can see your site you selling to the US market. This is the DOJ words not mine. Yes yes I'm sure I'll hear 50 people say "Fuck the USA, I wont get caught anyways" Fine you probally won't. 99.9% of non-complying Americans won't get caught either. The DOJ doesn't have the manpower. Still doesn't you aren't breaking the law. So whatever.

StickyGreen · 05-27-2005, 11:43 PM

just make your site all text links and they can't say shit...

Fucksakes · 05-27-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Please don't take his advice. Ask a lawyer. It's not as simple as YES.

Re-read the rule EVERY who wishes to sell porn to the US market has to comply. And if someone in the USA can see your site you selling to the US market. This is the DOJ words not mine. Yes yes I'm sure I'll hear 50 people say "Fuck the USA, I wont get caught anyways" Fine you probally won't. 99.9% of non-complying Americans won't get caught either. The DOJ doesn't have the manpower. Still doesn't you aren't breaking the law. So whatever.

I agree, I don't want to ignore the fact when with a little effort I can give them what they want, if i play the fuck them game, they will probably give me a hard time, if the time were to ever come...

Doctor Dre · 05-27-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

just make your site all text links and they can't say shit...

ZzZ

That's just beeing lazy

GatorB · 05-27-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

just make your site all text links and they can't say shit...

That would be the easiest thing. So many thumb TGPs guys trying to find loopholes and all they have to do is use links. Trust me surfes will click your links. The Hun, AL4A and WorldSex get more surfers than anyone thumb tgp owner could ever have a wet dream over.

Fucksakes · 05-27-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

just make your site all text links and they can't say shit...

all my links go to my site, but thanks for the stupid reply...

and i stated if i had a video on my site...

Fucksakes · 05-27-2005, 11:53 PM

to be more specific.. like a review site but using a video sample of the sponsor. I got no links to hosted galleries, no thumbs, no banners, no anything but text and video samples.

GatorB · 05-27-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

all my links go to my site, but thanks for the stupid reply...

and i stated if i had a video on my site...

Well if you just had ONE video I would think complying(whether you really had to or not ) would be rather easy and wouldn't take much time. I know some sponsors are really being pro-active on this and so as it shouldn't be to hard to get the info you need.

Fucksakes · 05-27-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Well if you just had ONE video I would think complying(whether you really had to or not ) would be rather easy and wouldn't take much time. I know some sponsors are really being pro-active on this and so as it shouldn't be to hard to get the info you need.

well atm I don't have many but wish to have as many as possible.. I read nastydollars 2257 and it goes like this...

The owners and operators of this Website are not the primary producer (as that term is defined in 18 USC section 2257) of any of the visual content contained in the Website.

The original records required pursuant to 18 U.S.C. section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 for all materials contained in the website are kept by the following Custodian of Records:

sounds pretty harsh for all these documents to be flying all over the place for everyone to have.

StickyGreen · 05-28-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

all my links go to my site, but thanks for the stupid reply...

and i stated if i had a video on my site...

it's actually a smart reply. have fun with all your record keeping jackass.

Fucksakes · 05-28-2005, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

it's actually a smart reply. have fun with all your record keeping jackass.

how was it smart? if I remove my videos I will have nothing on the site.. its not a thumb site linking to galleries... and your going to tell me that all thumb sites will just disappear? and why is it I know many text site owners that are meeting with lawyers if that is the magic fucking answer..

your solution is bold... and to think I said I was clueless.

and if I got to keep records, I will. Just want to know for sure what I am suppose to do.

bdld · 05-28-2005, 12:27 AM

if you host the videos, you'd need the records, if you dont host the videos and just link to them, then its not so clear.

Fucksakes · 05-28-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bdld

if you host the videos, you'd need the records, if you dont host the videos and just link to them, then its not so clear.

yes I just link to them... but I would think the same as them being hosted on my site.. its still being displayed on my site.

Webby · 05-28-2005, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Re-read the rule EVERY who wishes to sell porn to the US market has to comply. And if someone in the USA can see your site you selling to the US market. This is the DOJ words not mine. Yes yes I'm sure I'll hear 50 people say "Fuck the USA, I wont get caught anyways" Fine you probally won't. 99.9% of non-complying Americans won't get caught either. The DOJ doesn't have the manpower. Still doesn't you aren't breaking the law. So whatever.

Hi GatorB! Hear ya! Frankly that statement from the DOJ is just utter crap. The US DOJ has no relevance in any other country, - tho they are entitled to spout shit about "access" in the US. However, let em spend to few million on blocking access and censoring up the US still more - it's just an unenforceable law.

And you are correct, - anyone who has nada hosting in the US or has US citizenship has no possibility of being "caught" since they are not subject to the laws of the US and... well, basically have committed no crime.

This is one major damned headache for US webmasters - not for anyone else. Tho the effects on the US industry are most likely going to be substantial and little doubt, we shall see a few "small fry" being used to establish precedents prior to attacking bigger fish.

Calvinguy · 05-28-2005, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzll

The European country I live in, all I need is a link to a page with an address that has the model IDs.

What country is that? I have never heard of european country that require such things.

Fucksakes · 05-28-2005, 02:35 AM

Damn my first thread still on first page after having a sleep.

stev0 · 05-28-2005, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Re-read the rule EVERY who wishes to sell porn to the US market has to comply. And if someone in the USA can see your site you selling to the US market. This is the DOJ words not mine.

Technically... US law doesn't apply here, it's not up to us to know or follow it. Only reason I do is because I work with alot of US based sponsors, and I like the cheques they send me. I think if this does turn out to be the huge problem everyone thinks it might be, we'll just see alot more programs popping up overseas and in Canada.

Personally, I dont think they would use this law to prosecute legitimate webmasters... It's intended to prosecute CP peddlers, I doubt if the courts would stand by and let innocent people go to jail over bad record keeping.

breaker · 05-28-2005, 02:51 AM

I wouldn't agree that you would do something illegal yourself if you run your business from europe. US surfer finds your site and do business with you. No problem, wouldn't the buyer get more in trouble than the seller if it would be illegal purchase?

Think about it. If i get a member on my paysite from a country like Iran, Saudi arabia where i beleve porn is illegal. Do i commit the crime then or the buyer?

Maybe not 100% the same thing but there's more to international laws.

Fucksakes · 05-28-2005, 02:56 AM

the internet is full of webmasters, someone will lead the way, and everyone will follow.

Dalai lama · 05-28-2005, 05:01 AM

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05-27-2005, 10:02 PM	#1
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	2257 question, I'm clueless If I list a video on my site from a sponsor, and link the sponsors 2257 page next to the video am I ok?

05-27-2005, 10:10 PM	#2
jazzll Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 242	Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,221 Hence the answer to your question, Yes. If you were a US citizen, no. You'd need to comply with the new 2257 law (i.e. have the model IDs archived in your office/home ready for inspection). Last edited by jazzll; 05-27-2005 at 10:12 PM..

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05-27-2005, 10:32 PM	#4
jazzll Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 242	I'm not aware of Canadian law, do you need model IDs or can you put a link to your sponsor's address? The European country I live in, all I need is a link to a page with an address that has the model IDs. I'm sure there are Canadians reading this who might be able to help you out or find a lawyer.

05-27-2005, 11:53 PM	#11
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	to be more specific.. like a review site but using a video sample of the sponsor. I got no links to hosted galleries, no thumbs, no banners, no anything but text and video samples.

05-28-2005, 12:27 AM	#16
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	if you host the videos, you'd need the records, if you dont host the videos and just link to them, then its not so clear.

05-28-2005, 02:35 AM	#20
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	Damn my first thread still on first page after having a sleep.

05-28-2005, 02:56 AM	#23
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	the internet is full of webmasters, someone will lead the way, and everyone will follow.