Could 2257 be a blessing in disguise?

[radical]

Follwing sponsor announcements on 2257, less hardcore on the net will force more surfers to pay for porn, in a way the adult industry has a chance to totally revamp the adult industry!!

Some thoughts I've been hearing the last few days

[Serge Litehead]

too early to say, but i hope you're right about it.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by radical

Follwing sponsor announcements on 2257, less hardcore on the net will force more surfers to pay for porn, in a way the adult industry has a chance to totally revamp the adult industry!!

Some thoughts I've been hearing the last few days

Wouldn't it be ironic if 2257 actually made pornography MORE profitable?

[Steen2]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Wouldn't it be ironic if 2257 actually made pornography MORE profitable?

It's a bureaucrat's master plan to increase his value in a adult company

2257 - Save us!

[Rhesus]

for certain parties: definitely

[radical]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Wouldn't it be ironic if 2257 actually made pornography MORE profitable?

It may and may not, I understand the logistical headache of the record keeping task, though from another point is, say theoritically all sponsors limited what content affiliates could, say no hardcore etc etc therefore less free hardcore availibility, less chance surfer has off getting off at say galleries, which may lead to higher conversions etc

Just a thought

[darnit]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Wouldn't it be ironic if 2257 actually made pornography MORE profitable?

If it was a blanket rule yes, however it only affects US wms (for the most part) so it wont do shit except move all the hardcore to other countries, which to be frank, have a very bad record when it comes to ACTUALLY stopping CP compared to the US.

Good ol' Land Of The Free.

[DateDoc]

People as a whole like to push the envelope and that has happened in the adult biz too. We keep putting more and more hardcore stuff out there and giving it away. Taking it back now can only leave the surfer realizing to get what he likes he now has to pay for it. Your diehard cheap skates will continue to scorge the net for free porn but that is fine as they never were going to buy anything anyway.

You might see an even larger proliference of password trading sites. This will make having programs like strongbox even more crucial. All in all, I'd say 2257, while being a nightmare for the record keeping dept., will in the end make the biz much more profitable.

[radical]

Originally Posted by darnit

If it was a blanket rule yes, however it only affects US wms (for the most part) so it wont do shit except move all the hardcore to other countries, which to be frank, have a very bad record when it comes to ACTUALLY stopping CP compared to the US.

Good ol' Land Of The Free.

Good point,

It's a pity we couldn't say a "gentleman's agreement" with all webmasters only to promote softcore

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by darnit

If it was a blanket rule yes, however it only affects US wms (for the most part) so it wont do shit except move all the hardcore to other countries, which to be frank, have a very bad record when it comes to ACTUALLY stopping CP compared to the US.

Good ol' Land Of The Free.

Most of the porn is produced in the US. Hopefuly US sponsors will make all their affiliates comply to 2257.

[Matt_WildCash]

There will NOT be less hardcore on the net. I'll make sure of that myself. We will have hosting in Netherlands (if nessesary). We'll buy you a domain for gallery submitters promoting us and keep there info private so nobody knows who they are. Easy ways around a lot of this stuff for non US companies. And remember guys all hardcore hosted galleries are still legit, just the thumbs might have to become softcore.

Will shake up the USA porn companies for sure but won't change too much over all for everyone. The US does not run the net remember, although everyone seems to believe it does.

Matt

[radical]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Most of the porn is produced in the US. Hopefuly US sponsors will make all their affiliates comply to 2257.

It would be good if they did, thumbs upto lightspeed for their announcement

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by Matt_WC

The US does not run the net remember, although everyone seems to believe it does.

Nah, but that Cisco router does.

[Matt_WildCash]

P.S. Non US companies can give a lot of these advantages to US based affialtes as well, like free hosting, free domain (with sponsor registra info) with no link to affialtes personal info or who uploads the gallery there is no way FBI can find out who owns the domain & they won't care cause they will be going after the US based companies not the forgein ones.

[INever]

Make 'em pay for the pink!!

oh, the spelling should be "their" info will be private...oh, it's 2005, there is no such thing as privacy!

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Matt_WC

There will NOT be less hardcore on the net. I'll make sure of that myself. We will have hosting in Netherlands (if nessesary). We'll buy you a domain for gallery submitters promoting us and keep there info private so nobody knows who they are. Easy ways around a lot of this stuff for non US companies. And remember guys all hardcore hosted galleries are still legit, just the thumbs might have to become softcore.

Will shake up the USA porn companies for sure but won't change too much over all for everyone. The US does not run the net remember, although everyone seems to believe it does.

Matt

So you are going to help US webmaster break the 2257 law? Hmmmmm. I may not agree with the 2257 laws, but to suggest what you are suggesting is not very professional.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by darnit

If it was a blanket rule yes, however it only affects US wms (for the most part) so it wont do shit except move all the hardcore to other countries, which to be frank, have a very bad record when it comes to ACTUALLY stopping CP compared to the US.

Good ol' Land Of The Free.

If most sponsors got eh route of Lightspeedcahs it sure as hell will affect non-US webmasters. Of course they could use non-US sponsors how many of them are there compared ot American sponsors? At any rate non-US webmaster will have FEWER sponsors to choose from also. and how having all teh non-US webmasters use non-US sposnors just creates MORE competition to promote the same sites. So how are they doing better?

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Matt_WC

There will NOT be less hardcore on the net. I'll make sure of that myself. We will have hosting in Netherlands (if nessesary). We'll buy you a domain for gallery submitters promoting us and keep there info private so nobody knows who they are. Easy ways around a lot of this stuff for non US companies. And remember guys all hardcore hosted galleries are still legit, just the thumbs might have to become softcore.

Will shake up the USA porn companies for sure but won't change too much over all for everyone. The US does not run the net remember, although everyone seems to believe it does.

Matt

i think that is a solution may programs will go with

[Matt_WildCash]

Originally Posted by GatorB

So you are going to help US webmaster break the 2257 law? Hmmmmm. I may not agree with the 2257 laws, but to suggest what you are suggesting is not very professional.

Well we are not based in the US and so are not under the same rules as US programs, we will be fully complaint of course with 2257 as soon as we have all our model id's in order. We may work out some contract with affialtes were we give them free content, free hosting, free domain, and perhaps they are hired on a probono rate or something who knows. All they do is upload to our servers and submit. We may or may not do this, but we may leave this open to people who want to.

Better to give the option of anonymous hosting and domain than give out 1000's of model id's to affilates and break every privacy law in the entire world (including US) IMO.

Call me unprofessional all you want I just don't really want to give out 1000's of model id's from 800+ dvd's we own license too. Thats just a shit storm that is going to cause a massive nightmare IMO.

Different programs will find different ways to handle 2257. And remember hardcore porn is all legal with free hosted galleries so hardcore porn isn't going anywhere.

Matt

[darnit]

Originally Posted by GatorB

If most sponsors got eh route of Lightspeedcahs it sure as hell will affect non-US webmasters.

"IF" is the operative word here. Like i said the response from the major sponsors - even the owner of this very board - has been deafening.

I applaud Steve and his decision - however owning multiple softcore single girl sites its also in his best interest. For the sponsors that run Interracial gangbangs, cum in her eyes, etc type sites I suspect their response will be strikingly different and WILL give a distinct advantage to non-us WM.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Matt_WC

Well we are not based in the US and so are not under the same rules as US programs, we will be fully complaint of course with 2257 as soon as we have all our model id's in order. We may work out some contract with affialtes were we give them free content, free hosting, free domain, and perhaps they are hired on a probono rate or something who knows. All they do is upload to our servers and submit. We may or may not do this, but we may leave this open to people who want to.

Better to give the option of anonymous hosting and domain than give out 1000's of model id's to affilates and break every privacy law in the entire world (including US) IMO.

Call me unprofessional all you want I just don't really want to give out 1000's of model id's from 800+ dvd's we own license too. Thats just a shit storm that is going to cause a massive nightmare IMO.

Different programs will find different ways to handle 2257. And remember hardcore porn is all legal with free hosted galleries so hardcore porn isn't going anywhere.

Matt

Did I say you HAD to give out model IDs. Look at Lightsppedcash. They are and they have a solution. When you try to help someone break a law in their own country you ARE in fact unprofessional and actually a conspirator. why don't you get the idea out of your ass that you need hardcore to sell shit. Hell I use ZERO content and make a living at this. Hmmmmmmm

I'll say this, the Swimsuit Edition of Sports Illustrated sells more copies than all the porn programs in the world COMBINED sell memberships per year.

[TheSenator]

shut this thread down.... can't you guys keep a fucking secret.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Most of the porn is produced in the US. Hopefuly US sponsors will make all their affiliates comply to 2257.

I think you will find a lot is produced in Europe, it's just published in the US.

[Paul Markham]

I think the answer to this thread is;

As always there will be winners and losers.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by darnit

"IF" is the operative word here. Like i said the response from the major sponsors - even the owner of this very board - has been deafening.

I applaud Steve and his decision - however owning multiple softcore single girl sites its also in his best interest. For the sponsors that run Interracial gangbangs, cum in her eyes, etc type sites I suspect their response will be strikingly different and WILL give a distinct advantage to non-us WM.

And if they do they will not get American business. Not to sound like a cocky American but fact is most sposnors would survive if they lost all their affilates from Sweden very few would survive if they lost their American affilaites. that's just the way it is.

Here a list of the world 20 most popualted coutries? How many people from these countries on this list can sign up to be an affialte in most programs? ALL sponsors NEED American affiliates and that just the facts.

1 China 1,306,313,812
2 India 1,080,264,388
3 United States 295,734,134
4 Indonesia 241,973,879
5 Brazil 186,112,794
6 Pakistan 162,419,946
7 Bangladesh 144,319,628
8 Russia 143,420,309
9 Nigeria 128,765,768
10 Japan 127,417,244
11 Mexico 106,202,903
12 Philippines 87,857,473
13 Vietnam 83,535,576
14 Germany 82,431,390
15 Egypt 77,505,756
16 Ethiopia 73,053,286
17 Turkey 69,660,559
18 Iran 68,017,860
19 Thailand 64,185,502
20 Congo (Kinshasa) 60,764,490

[radical]

Originally Posted by GatorB

I'll say this, the Swimsuit Edition of Sports Illustrated sells more copies than all the porn programs in the world COMBINED sell memberships per year.

Yep, it's all about feeding the surfer's illusion, get him/her into a frenzy and onto the sign up page and hopefully will follow

[NTSS]

You may have a point...Sounds logical to me

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by radical

Follwing sponsor announcements on 2257, less hardcore on the net will force more surfers to pay for porn, in a way the adult industry has a chance to totally revamp the adult industry!!

It will "force" many surfers who are looking for HC to non-US sites. Yeah, maybe some surfers sign up "to see more", but images work better than words

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

It will "force" many surfers who are looking for HC to non-US sites. Yeah, maybe some surfers sign up "to see more", but images work better than words

Americans are leary signing up for porn sites. They'll be even more leery of non-american sites.

[radical]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

It will "force" many surfers who are looking for HC to non-US sites. Yeah, maybe some surfers sign up "to see more", but images work better than words

Maybe, also yep images do have more power than words on most occassions, but also sometimes softcore can be more powerful to the surfer than hardcore, it's how you diplay and create! Remember your trying to give the surfer his/her starter in order for them to buy the main (hardcore).

It just seems to em that the industry has a window of opportunity to bring their collective heads together

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Americans are leary signing up for porn sites. They'll be even more leery of non-american sites.

Its not just about the paysites. Remember, even freebies are the ones who make affiliates grow and make money. Freebies wants porn - they move to and bookmark HC freesites - the HC freesites gets more traffic - send more traffic - and so on...

[Matt_WildCash]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Did I say you HAD to give out model IDs. Look at Lightsppedcash. They are and they have a solution. When you try to help someone break a law in their own country you ARE in fact unprofessional and actually a conspirator. why don't you get the idea out of your ass that you need hardcore to sell shit. Hell I use ZERO content and make a living at this. Hmmmmmmm

I'll say this, the Swimsuit Edition of Sports Illustrated sells more copies than all the porn programs in the world COMBINED sell memberships per year.

I understand Lightspeeds decision and respect them for it, they are respecting their models privacy and thats good, this won't effect them too much as most of there content is softcore or close too as it is, they have a great business model and will continue to succeed Steve is a smart guy.

They have a totally different business model that most other large programs Please understand the difference between a softcore tease single girl site and a Face fucking / Anal Orgy / Anal gaping site. The content for promotional is VERY different.

Hosted galleries will continue to be legal so there is no point trying to say "lets all go softcore" thats most certainly going going to happen as every US & none US program will have hardcore free hosted galleries that they will have full 2257 docs for and they will be legal.

Matt

[taibo]

only time will tell

[tradermcduck]

Originally Posted by Matt_WC

There will NOT be less hardcore on the net. I'll make sure of that myself. We will have hosting in Netherlands (if nessesary). We'll buy you a domain for gallery submitters promoting us and keep there info private so nobody knows who they are. Easy ways around a lot of this stuff for non US companies. And remember guys all hardcore hosted galleries are still legit, just the thumbs might have to become softcore.

Will shake up the USA porn companies for sure but won't change too much over all for everyone. The US does not run the net remember, although everyone seems to believe it does.

Matt

Matt,

thanks for your post !!! I fully agree with you ... I am promoting your program and I am from Europe

[BRISK]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Americans are leary signing up for porn sites. They'll be even more leery of non-american sites.

Americans already sign up to non-American sites.

Non-American sites are not new

[Va2k]

Originally Posted by charly

I think the answer to this thread is;

As always there will be winners and losers.

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

[bhutocracy]

It's not going to change a thing except make things a little more of a pain in the ass... US hardcore isn't going anywhere just yet.

[wjxxx]

Originally Posted by GatorB

If most sponsors got eh route of Lightspeedcahs it sure as hell will affect non-US webmasters.

Lightspeedcash has solo girl sites. Sponsor with hardcore sites can`t go that way

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by radical

Follwing sponsor announcements on 2257, less hardcore on the net will force more surfers to pay for porn, in a way the adult industry has a chance to totally revamp the adult industry!!

Some thoughts I've been hearing the last few days

Those don't qualify as thoughts. Such naivety is more like mental diarrhea ...

[radical]

Originally Posted by jayeff

Those don't qualify as thoughts. Such naivety is more like mental diarrhea ...

Whatever you say.....

[Nicky]

Good point Radical

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by radical

Follwing sponsor announcements on 2257, less hardcore on the net will force more surfers to pay for porn, in a way the adult industry has a chance to totally revamp the adult industry!!