WARNING for TGP owners: ATKcash.com

[GooodWill]

You maybe dont know it, but you could be suspended only because the fact you skim your traffic on tgp site where you use atkcash free hosted galleries. Also be aware and check your atkcash linking, because if you will use old linking system like this:
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/cli.../013/?id=100655

EVERY hit to gallery will be counted as click to sponsor, your ratios will be much much worst for sure and your account could be terminated only because of this fact (which is paysite owner issue and I dont feel to pay for their very "uncommon" way of tracking hits)
My account got suspended because of this and also money were lost. You can read yourself what Chris from atkcash thinks about tgp sites.

First mail:
Hello,
Your ratio with us is extremely low:
month to date: 8 sales, 562,070 for a ratio of 1:70,258
You're eating up a lot of our bandwidth for such low sales, and
looking at seavirgin.com to see if I could find the problem, I see
that you're violating our Terms of Service by using our images in
thumbnails that send traffic to other TGP sites.
Please reply and explain/cooperate or we will be forced to suspend
your account with us.
Thanks,
Chris - ATKCash

My reply:
Hello Chris,
I just checked my stats for last month and as I see you counting every
hit to gallery as click, which is not common by other sponsors, so I
have not comparable numbers to say if I loose traffic sending to your
galleries or not. If you understand what tgp sites is, then you should
know, they send some percent of traffic to traders to make the site
live. My site is common tgp site with 50% skim, every other trader who
promote your sites use same system, so if you think, that my ratios
are bad, its not because of me or my traffic. All sites have same kind
of traffic because of trading in circle. I would suggest you to change
your traffic counting system to match all other paysites. This way
your huge numbers affect my total conversion ratios which go from
1:700 to 1:3k clicks on other paysites. If you feel, that my traffic
is lost for you, than is also lost for me, because I watch what sites
convert for me and which not, one click and you are out of my index.
Otherwise I loose traffic which could be sent to sites convertin 1:700
with the same traffic. Recognize whats good and whats not is absolutly
impossible with your traffic tracking system.

Goodwill

And what I got back:

Hello,

Your claims are flatly wrong, and you should probably stop promoting
us. We count each click to the tour, not click to the gallery as you
suggest. If you're following the instructions inside ATKCash, and
pulling the link codes to put on your galleries and count clicks through
to the TOUR, then you'd understand why your ratio (the way we count it,
through CCBill) is one of the worst ratios in all of ATKCash.

Suggesting that I might not know what a TGP is, is also pretty insulting.

Paysites and/or affiliate programs that are leading you to believe that
you have a certain ratio are likely shaving their numbers to make it
seem like you're doing better than you really are. It is *impossible*
for us to do this.

I also very well understand what traffic skimming is, and what a
pathetic way it is to acquire traffic from other TGPs. Imagine yourself
as a surfer looking to buy a membership for a moment. You see a pretty
girl and want to see more of her, and you click on the thumbnail. As
the person running the "store," so to speak, you're CHEATING this surfer
by sending them, 50% of the time, somewhere ELSE. It is against our TOS
to do this (using our thumbs to send traffic elsewhere) and it's absurd
to think that this is good business, or a decent way to make sales
(which I assume is what you want to do). Our best resellers understand
this, and using bait-and-switch techniques to dupe customers is the last
thing they would do.

I don't feel your traffic or your attitude towards us and our rules is
conducive to a mutually-beneficial relationship, and you are hereby no
longer an ATKCash affiliate. Don't send anymore lousy traffic, please,
you won't be credited for any sales.

You're also trading traffic with Lolita sites (PEDOPHILIA), which is
enough to get you arrested in the United States.

Chris - ATKCash

[Lee]

The easiest thing is to use another sponsor ~ that would suit all parties involved.

[Shags]

"I also very well understand what traffic skimming is, and what a
pathetic way it is to acquire traffic from other TGPs"

[swoop]

yep, just make the swith to someone else if you are unhappy and see if your conversions change

[TheSwed]

Originally Posted by Lee

The easiest thing is to use another sponsor ~ that would suit all parties involved.

Yes..just change sponsor

[fireorange]

Damn.........

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Shags

"I also very well understand what traffic skimming is, and what a
pathetic way it is to acquire traffic from other TGPs"

Fucking idiots.

[JayJay]

Originally Posted by Shags

"I also very well understand what traffic skimming is, and what a
pathetic way it is to acquire traffic from other TGPs"

holy shit

[Shoehorn!]

I could really go for some Mott's applesauce right now. Or a turkey sandwich.

[Rui]

These rules are stupid to say the least, makes you think that the people behind it aren't even Adult Webmasters lol...

[nmcog]

Originally Posted by Shags

"I also very well understand what traffic skimming is, and what a
pathetic way it is to acquire traffic from other TGPs"

[MGPspots]

That Chris dude is completely out to fucking lunch - he should aquaint himself with what the hell a TGP is

[Fake Nick]

hahahahahahh are there persons from ATKCASH that post here?


they are on my shitlist !! what a load of IDIOTS who have NO CLUE

[Godsmack]

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

hahahahahahh are there persons from ATKCASH that post here?


they are on my shitlist !! what a load of IDIOTS who have NO CLUE

Yeah daaamn, clueless for sure.. i just made my first shitlist and they are on top now.. any more i can add?

[BabeHunter]

WTF

is he living in 19999 or something when skimming wasn't common?

talk about dumb ppl , basicly he says don't use my hosted galleries on tgps...

[fireorange]

Originally Posted by Godsmack

Yeah daaamn, clueless for sure.. i just made my first shitlist and they are on top now.. any more i can add?

They don't accept the word 'teen' in your domain name?
Where is that thread again.

[fireorange]

ATKingdom enforces a strict, zero tolerance policy with respect to child pornography. No site may use models under the age of eighteen (18) or suggest that its models are under the age of eighteen (18), either through text or other implication on any webpage that promotes ATKingdom. This includes the use of terms such as but not limited to Teen, Adolescent, Child, Child porn, Child sex, Children, Kiddie, Kiddie porn, Kiddie sex, Lolitas, Minor, Minors, Pedoland, Pedophile, Pedophilia, Pre-teen, Pre-teen porn, Pre-teen sex, Teen 13-17, or Underaged. Any Affiliate suspected of violating this zero tolerance provision shall be terminated from the Program.

[chemicaleyes]

interesting thread

[Trax]

thats newbee'ish

original way to get new partners

[PornHero]

I make loads of cash with ATK... anyone that works closely with them knows they don't fuck around when it comes to how their sites are promoted. First of all you are linking to lolita sites which would get you banned at any responsible sponsor.

Second, I understand why they would not want their images used to be sending surfers to other sites.

As for Chris' comments, he tends to be off base at times but he is a good guy. He's still learning.

They don't like your traffic - so just switch sponsors. This happens in the adult business. Dont take it personal.

[Fake Nick]

Originally Posted by PornHero

First of all you are linking to lolita sites which would get you banned at any responsible sponsor.

:

PROOF ? ??

I checked his tgp http://www.seavirgin.com there is nothing wrong with it at first view , he is NOT linking to PEDO sites like ATKcash is suggesting



ATKCASH = IDIOTS who should quit adult NOW

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

PROOF ? ??

I checked his tgp http://www.seavirgin.com there is nothing wrong with it at first view , he is NOT linking to PEDO sites like ATKcash is suggesting



ATKCASH = IDIOTS who should quit adult NOW

I clicked an image on his site and it lead to a lolita site that he is trading traffic with... that's proof enough for me. He'll probably remove it now that we are making an issue out of it.

[Godsmack]

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

PROOF ? ??

I checked his tgp http://www.seavirgin.com there is nothing wrong with it at first view , he is NOT linking to PEDO sites like ATKcash is suggesting



ATKCASH = IDIOTS who should quit adult NOW

Thats exactly what i did as well.. i found nothing near PEDO

[Fake Nick]

Originally Posted by PornHero

I clicked an image on his site and it lead to a lolita site that he is trading traffic with... that's proof enough for me. He'll probably remove it now that we are making an issue out of it.

BULLSHIT , show me dude! give me the tgp you were talking about ...... there are no LOLITA sites in seavirings.com tradelist , I checked it right away when this topic was posted


it seems to me ATKcash is labeling ALL sites with "teen" in them as LOLITA sites


but at the same time they are marketing their own sites with terms YOUNG PORN and 18 year olds

[GooodWill]

Originally Posted by PornHero

I clicked an image on his site and it lead to a lolita site that he is trading traffic with... that's proof enough for me. He'll probably remove it now that we are making an issue out of it.

Show me some pedo site I trade with! You say only bullshit without proof

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

BULLSHIT , show me dude! give me the tgp you were talking about ...... there are no LOLITA sites in seavirings.com tradelist , I checked it right away when this topic was posted


it seems to me ATKcash is labeling ALL sites with "teen" in them as LOLITA sites


but at the same time they are marketing their own sites with terms YOUNG PORN and 18 year olds

here you go fucknuts...

here is where I was sent when I clicked one of the images... i have no reason to bullshit.

http://www.100freelolitapics.com/main.shtml

... a link to seavirgins appears at the bottom.

it always amazes me when people call bullshit on things they have no way of confirming



PornHero

[Shags]

Originally Posted by PornHero

here you go fucknuts...

here is where I was sent when I clicked one of the images... i have no reason to bullshit.

http://www.100freelolitapics.com/main.shtml

... a link to seavirgins appears at the bottom.

it always amazes me when people call bullshit on things they have no way of confirming

Does girls are older then me.

[GooodWill]

Originally Posted by PornHero

here you go fucknuts...

here is where I was sent when I clicked one of the images... i have no reason to bullshit.

http://www.100freelolitapics.com/main.shtml

... a link to seavirgins appears at the bottom.

it always amazes me when people call bullshit on things they have no way of confirming

okay, and whats pedo on there? pictures?

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by GooodWill

okay, and whats pedo on there? pictures?

listen, i am beginning to realize you must be a newbie yourself... any reference to lolitas or linking to a site that uses that word is reason to get banned... you could have pics of grandmothers on the site and any responsible sponsor would still not find it acceptable -- its the use of the term 'lolita' that is wrong. Get it?

Ok, that's PornHero's Newbie Lesson of the Day.

[chemicaleyes]

where did Fake Nick disappear to

[GooodWill]

Originally Posted by PornHero

listen, i am beginning to realize you must be a newbie yourself... any reference to lolitas or linking to a site that uses that word is reason to get banned... you could have pics of grandmothers on the site and any responsible sponsor would still not find it acceptable -- its the use of the term 'lolita' that is wrong. Get it?

Ok, that's PornHero's Newbie Lesson of the Day.

Thats not what I wanted to tell and it does not change the fact that you could be kicked also only because of skimming traffic...

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by chemicaleyes

where did Fake Nick disappear to

He's probably calling BULLSHIT! in another thread somewhere on GFY

[Fake Nick]

Originally Posted by chemicaleyes

where did Fake Nick disappear to

I def didn't I was on my PS2 let me reply to PornDummy

[Fake Nick]

Originally Posted by PornHero

here you go fucknuts...

here is where I was sent when I clicked one of the images... i have no reason to bullshit.

http://www.100freelolitapics.com/main.shtml

... a link to seavirgins appears at the bottom.

it always amazes me when people call bullshit on things they have no way of confirming



PornHero

ok, thats one lolita site , you were right , there I said it


but still there are no Pedo sites like ATK was claiming

[MaDalton]

there's a reason that ATK is so long in this business and still going strong compared to others who pretended to be "huge" and then disappeared like snow in spring. think about that.

and chris is definitely a great guy, like all the others at ATK. if they decided like that, they probably have their reasons to do so.

[opflix]

amazing.... atk should quit adult? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!




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[BVF]

Yeah that site says "lolita" but those chicks look old as dirt.

[Dopy]

ATK are a well established solid sponsor that has been around far too long for worrying over the loss of a few Lolita click kiddies with worn out traffic.

Stick to sponsors with underage backgrounds like Funsempire, they are much more suited to the Eastern desperados running on the edge of legal.

Again, ATK is a solid sponsor who will make serious money for those that have serious traffic.

Originally Posted by Dopy

ATK are a well established solid sponsor that has been around far too long for worrying over the loss of a few Lolita click kiddies with worn out traffic.

Stick to sponsors with underage backgrounds like Funsempire, they are much more suited to the Eastern desperados running on the edge of legal.

Again, ATK is a solid sponsor who will make serious money for those that have serious traffic.

O yes, they are very serious, but they lost a lot of traffic now.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...atkingdom.com/

And traffic will be go down more and more.

[Fake Nick]

I see ATK has hired some dummies to come defend them


how about that skim remark of them . . ? I mean really ? that was bullshit and the reason he got terminated

[Nysus]

DAMN --- You sent 562,070 visitors/clicks to their TOUR?

I think they're not thinking straight. If you sent 562,070 visitors to their free hosted galleries, and each visitor downloaded say 75% of the videos on average then that WOULD eat up a lot of bandwidth if it only generated 8 sales..

But, I highly doubt you sent 562,070 people to the tour...

Matt

[GooodWill]

Originally Posted by Nysus

DAMN --- You sent 562,070 visitors/clicks to their TOUR?

I think they're not thinking straight. If you sent 562,070 visitors to their free hosted galleries, and each visitor downloaded say 75% of the videos on average then that WOULD eat up a lot of bandwidth if it only generated 8 sales..

But, I highly doubt you sent 562,070 people to the tour...

Matt

It wasnt tour but their galleries where I send traffic to and because of their stupid traffic tracking system they used, EVERY hit I sent to gallery was counted as hit to tour page, so here comes the big numbers. Never seen any other sponsor using such sytem of tracking hits. My average ccbill stats are affected by this numbers, but as long I saw signups on their site, I let it go...

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

there's a reason that ATK is so long in this business and still going strong compared to others who pretended to be "huge" and then disappeared like snow in spring. think about that.

and chris is definitely a great guy, like all the others at ATK. if they decided like that, they probably have their reasons to do so.

Sadly, they're shooting themself in the foot.

Matt

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Nysus

DAMN --- You sent 562,070 visitors/clicks to their TOUR?

I think they're not thinking straight. If you sent 562,070 visitors to their free hosted galleries, and each visitor downloaded say 75% of the videos on average then that WOULD eat up a lot of bandwidth if it only generated 8 sales..

But, I highly doubt you sent 562,070 people to the tour...

Matt

Nah he sent that to the galleries. If you look in their program they give you the ccbill code to link the gallery with.
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...s.com/045/?id=

so every time the gallery is loaded ccbill counts it as a click, so Chris was certainly wrong in his above statement to goodwill about it being to the tour.

now if Goodwill was linking the galleries like http://galleria.atkgalleries.com/045/?id= then Chris would be correct in saying that just the tour clicks would then be counted.

[BigRod]

I also think traffic skimming is pathetic. Damn I have been pathetic for a long time!

[marec]

well ....

This is not correct statement by ATK - former adultteenkingdom ? - they are not living in 1999 ...

well , any TGP webmaster can choose itself , if they'll use them , or not ...

i'm deleting ...

there's too much worthy sponsors to go with ...

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by marec

well ....

This is not correct statement by ATK - former adultteenkingdom ? - they are not living in 1999 ...

Amateur and Teen Kingdom, but due to the ever changing movement of the US government and the laws they are trying to push for they thought best for everyone that teen be removed. For this I cant fault or disagree with them on. Just smart to protect yourself and your affiliates from legal liability.

[MrVids]

damn, i'd suspend you too. that's a waste of a lot of bandwidth

[thewebgarage]

why do I find this funny?