What if you do if have evidence of a program not crediting you signups?

[KMR Stitch]

Lets say my source of traffic I interact with the surfers and I have them send me confrim emails of the signup.


And I checked my stats and there are still 0 signups for today

[aleck]

wait 2-3 days first

[aleck]

at least 24 hrs

[fris]

depends how many

[chadglni]

I would be a pissed SOB. Would think about my actions for a bit but there definatly would be action.

[Harmon]

Wait a bit, then contact them. If you get a bullshit response, or none at all for that matter, expose the fuckers here.

[khs]

I would post all the drama on gfy before contacting the program owners...

[brand0n]

a "glitch"

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by khs

I would post all the drama on gfy before contacting the program owners...

Negative on that one.

[mrthumbs]

If wed test-signup ALL sponsors youd be amazed what the results would be

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Negative on that one.

then man up and mention the program by name.

pussy foot around, this is bs drama. if youve got the fucking juice and the sand then fucking spill it or stfu and move on.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by brand0n

then man up and mention the program by name.

pussy foot around, this is bs drama. if youve got the fucking juice and the sand then fucking spill it or stfu and move on.

Jeeziss... the guy is just asking for advice. Forget to take you Lithium with your Fruit Loops thismorning?

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Jeeziss... the guy is just asking for advice. Forget to take you Lithium with your Fruit Loops thismorning?

hes not asking for advice man, hes slinging dirt. and hes doing a half ass job.
cut to the chase.

[Trax]

how many signups are we talking about here?

take this into account
no cookies
overwritten cookies/other aff ids
typeins without aff code
and so on

if you would have done test with other people to test a program this is a different situation.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by fris

depends how many

One shaved signup is too many.



If I had hard evidence of being shaved I would be on the phone to them, fuck email or ICQ. If I got the runaround for more than a couple of days (workdays, not weekend days), well, by Wednesday I would out the fuckers on every webmaster board from here to Cal-fucking-cutta.


One word of caution though... it goes without saying that the "hard evidence" had better be damned solid. But I thought I'd say it anyway. :D

[taibo]

i would think the signups need to be processed first before you see it in your stats

[KMR Stitch]

I think I will give the program 24 hrs. So I know that all signups are credited

Either that I am going to do a test signup in a few hrs. And post the results

[jeffrey]

Originally Posted by taibo

i would think the signups need to be processed first before you see it in your stats

should be instant.
But I do know the sometimes I get new sales for the day befor, they just got held up or something.

[shann]

Contact the program before you start freaking out, there could be a logical explanation. Of course there might not be, which is far more entertaining for the rest of us. ;)

[kernelpanic]

Wait for a few days, to give them the benefit of the doubt, and if you still don't see signups, then post it here. That means that either:

a) They are shaving.
b) Their stats system is dysfunctional.

Either way, its unacceptable.



edit: and I assume that you're not going to expose someone over 2 signups or something not statistically significant like that

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Wait for a few days, to give them the benefit of the doubt, and if you still don't see signups, then post it here. That means that either:

a) They are shaving.
b) Their stats system is dysfunctional.

Either way, its unacceptable.



edit: and I assume that you're not going to expose someone over 2 signups or something not statistically significant like that

To expose a company would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't think I could ever deal with the fact that I took them down for a few signups if anything I would ask the company to fix there problem. Then again look at pibcash. They have a horrible rep and they won't ever be able to have 100% honesty ever again. I donno my morals come into play with this one.

[stev0]

You're trusting your surfers? I'm willing to bet that it's just people trying to snag free access by saying they signed up.

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by stev0

You're trusting your surfers? I'm willing to bet that it's just people trying to snag free access by saying they signed up.

FWD'ed the confrim email. Pretty hard to fake that.

[jeffrey]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

edit: and I assume that you're not going to expose someone over 2 signups or something not statistically significant like that

so if I have 3 signups that I KNOW I should have, and only get credit for 1 its statistically insignificant and I should just let it go?

1 shaved sale is too many.

[Rhesus]

I think you need to stop running sites that give an incentive for a surfer to sign up.

[spacemonk]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

I think you need to stop running sites that give an incentive for a surfer to sign up.

soon enough people will be paying 30 bucks to get that $35 trial

[xxxice]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Lets say my source of traffic I interact with the surfers and I have them send me confrim emails of the signup.


And I checked my stats and there are still 0 signups for today

i think it happens all the time

[tranza]

If you are 100% sure they did this, expose the fuckers.

But don't do it unless you can take the heat.

[xxxice]

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

If wed test-signup ALL sponsors youd be amazed what the results would be

very very true

[kenny]

Sometimes it can take 24 hours to show up

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by Trax

no cookies
overwritten cookies/other aff ids
typeins without aff code
and so on

that accounts for a good amount of the traffic affiliates send...

[3piece chicken Dinner]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

To expose a company would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't think I could ever deal with the fact that I took them down for a few signups if anything I would ask the company to fix there problem. Then again look at pibcash. They have a horrible rep and they won't ever be able to have 100% honesty ever again. I donno my morals come into play with this one.

You are not going to do a damn thing. Everyone knows this. I hope the sig views on your fake drama thread makes you some cash.


Oh and Happy Fathers Day.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Hire a few crackheads to slip into their house at night and chop off their hands as an example to the rest of them..

[NTSS]

Originally Posted by khs

I would post all the drama on gfy before contacting the program owners...

I find that statement very funny

[aico]

First, make sure your links are correct, don't know how many times I've seen people put links that are all fucked up or have a space on the end, etc etc...

Second, wait 48 hours to see if the sign-up(s) show up.

Third, CALL them, do not email them or ICQ them

If they give you the run around, stop promoting their sites, and post a thread saying "I think "So and So Company" may be a little shady, because....., so you guys might want to check your stats and see if they are fucking you over"...

no wait, fuck all that, just post them in GFY and start some Drama.

[Manowar]

Expose them

[evanmorgan]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

I think you need to stop running sites that give an incentive for a surfer to sign up.

lol exactly what i was thinking, im amazed he had the cheek to write it

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by evanmorgan

lol exactly what i was thinking, im amazed he had the cheek to write it

Idiots idiots idiots!


You can convert 1:10000 on your TGP's I like my 1:8 CV ratio =)

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Idiots idiots idiots!


You can convert 1:10000 on your TGP's I like my 1:8 CV ratio =)

Just be sure it is not against their TOS.

[Nicky]

tell me 1 program that does'nt shave in 1 way or the other....?

[d00t]

Heres some hints...

- your traffic method may violate their TOS... count yourself lucky to get even 1 signup.
- if the surfer does not log into the site, chances are you will not get credit for the sale.
- where is the surfer from? maybe their signup was flagged by the sponsor's fraud department or scripts.


If you know too much infomation about the surfer and when they signed up, I for one wouldn't be paying the amount most sponsors do per signup... and the join wont even nearly retain as long as the sponsor would like. If the sponsor isn't seeing profit after a while you will most likely be banned for attempting to de-frauding the sponsor's company too.

Friendly word of warning

If you are doing it legit, contact the sponsor first. This is not the place to be throwing around this type of infomation.

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by d00t

Heres some hints...

- your traffic method may violate their TOS... count yourself lucky to get even 1 signup.
- if the surfer does not log into the site, chances are you will not get credit for the sale.
- where is the surfer from? maybe their signup was flagged by the sponsor's fraud department or scripts.


If you know too much infomation about the surfer and when they signed up, I for one wouldn't be paying the amount most sponsors do per signup... and the join wont even nearly retain as long as the sponsor would like. If the sponsor isn't seeing profit after a while you will most likely be banned for attempting to de-frauding the sponsor's company too.

Friendly word of warning

If you are doing it legit, contact the sponsor first. This is not the place to be throwing around this type of infomation.

It's legit. Don't worry about my traffic sources =) And I decided I am not going to post info on GFY

[d00t]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

It's legit. Don't worry about my traffic sources =) And I decided I am not going to post info on GFY

I already know what it is, hense the reason I said not to post anything more

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

I think you need to stop running sites that give an incentive for a surfer to sign up.

Isn't that what most everyone does? I mean when you make a site or a gallery or whatever aren't you hoping your site causes the surfers to sign-up for the paysites you are promoting? The free shit on your site is the incentive to go get more from the paysite. Who makes a site or gallery and thinks "Gee I hope no one signs up to my sposnors"?

[khs]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

And I decided I am not going to post info on GFY

Fake Drama

it's a holiday entertain us

[3piece chicken Dinner]

Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

You are not going to do a damn thing. Everyone knows this. I hope the sig views on your fake drama thread makes you some cash.


Oh and Happy Fathers Day.

Once again. I told ya so.


It's always fake drama with him. Or spamming the program of the week, Or jumping in to tell some one how they should have purchased "___________" instead. Or just to pile on. Never real, Never original, same ol shit. Always an excuse.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Wait for a few days, to give them the benefit of the doubt, and if you still don't see signups, then post it here. That means that either:

a) They are shaving.
b) Their stats system is dysfunctional.

Either way, its unacceptable.



edit: and I assume that you're not going to expose someone over 2 signups or something not statistically significant like that

2 Signups that he has proof for. Who knows how many more have been shaved.

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

Once again. I told ya so.


It's always fake drama with him. Or spamming the program of the week, Or jumping in to tell some one how they should have purchased "___________" instead. Or just to pile on. Never real, Never original, same ol shit. Always an excuse.

Big words coming from a Fake Nick.

And please find something that I said someone should have "purchased" this instead of that?

I hear the Colonell calling

[poisson]

72 hours after the last post, any update? I've just notice some shaving my side (part of stats vanished) and talking to my rep. Hope i get answers soon.

[3piece chicken Dinner]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Big words coming from a Fake Nick.

And please find something that I said someone should have "purchased" this instead of that?

I hear the Colonell calling

Not a fack nick at all taser boy. As far as threads the "this instead of that" shit takes place in. give me a few and I'll be sure to post them.

BTW who has more toys , you or ........... I'll not go there.