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Evil Doer · 10-07-2005, 11:56 PM

150.......

Webby · 10-08-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

And i bet 20% of the ones who answered that poll secretly watched his films

Of course they did!

I never seen this shit, but chances are that's the *acceptable* face of porn.

Fingering babies and ass-fucking your eight year old daughter is not.

RawAlex · 10-08-2005, 12:21 AM

I am trying to picture the new show at 10PM on (insert network here): How to properly finger your 6 month old daughter.

You really think it is a question solely of "freedom of speech"? If that is what freedom of speech gets you, I think many, many people would give up a little of their freedom to know that sick fucks like this guy spend the rest of their days in jail rather than anywhere near a minor.

This isn't "fucking teens"... it's molesting 6 month old children.

It is sick, sick shit. Anyone standing up for it makes me wonder.

Alex

KRL · 10-08-2005, 12:23 AM

Plus this sicko site is apparently facilitating the trading of images for its members and I guarnatee you they sure as hell aren't trading mickey mantle baseball cards.

venus · 10-08-2005, 12:40 AM

Have you seen that movie "Lolita" , its several years old and drew allot of contorversy when it was released.

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

1. I can NEVER recall hollywood producing anything Television, Movie or otherwise that glorified sex with little kids. Children , Infants, or attempted to put an "erotic" spin on this subject matter.

Webby · 10-08-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Plus this sicko site is apparently facilitating the trading of images for its members and I guarnatee you they sure as hell aren't trading mickey mantle baseball cards.

No mickey mantle cards KRL??

Hell, my freedoms and rights to collect my baseball cards have be violated yet again

Webby · 10-08-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

Have you seen that movie "Lolita" , its several years old and drew allot of contorversy when it was released.

Sure.. it was "adventurous" for it's time. I saw bits of it recently while walking past the TV - excellent cast and funny seeing the dirty old man failing!

The slight difference - it never showed much oral/anal/whatever sex with children - they must have cut that out and restricted the First Ammendment Rights

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 02:01 AM

I posted this some days ago and it went largely ignored?

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/524342-buh-2257-porn-squad.html

I am really starting to see why the adult entertainment industry is such an easy target and a whipping boy for whatever Johnny come lately moral debate is the talk of the day. A lot of the guys in this industry are complete fools with zero understanding of business, politics, or law.

Now before the loser?s start flaming let me explain something to all of you.

Your livelihood is at risk!!!!!
It can happen to you!!!
It will happen to you if the industry doesn?t stick together.

The 3 recent raids over the last week are only the opening rounds of an all out war being waged by the Christian right. And in war every small victory amounts to overall defeat of the enemy. (You)

While stories about sex with kid?s disgust me?...

And Scat turns my stomach????.

And dead bodies sadden me???

I support each and every one of those site operators because they were operating within the limits of the law.

If you turn your back on them, instead of support them that will make it that much easier for the government to convict you when your number is pulled.

You see people the bible thumpers are many and they are powerful and they are resourceful. But what makes them a formidable enemy in a time of war (and they are the enemy) is that they stick together and move as one. They are methodical and surgical in their attacks and believe me they intend to win.

Let?s talk about precedent and its relation to one of the cases

prec?e?dent P Pronunciation Key (pr s -d nt)
n.
1.
a. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.
b. Law. A judicial decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent similar cases: a landmark decision that set a legal precedent.
2. Convention or custom arising from long practice: The President followed historical precedent in forming the Cabinet.

Know what that means??

Ok I will tell you, let say the lady with the website with the stories about teens having sex is prosecuted and eventually convicted??that will set a precedent that will make it easier for other government law enforcement bodies to prosecute and convict individuals based on what is now considered obscene.
Once precedent is set its all down hill and some or all of the words used as evidence against her become sort of like an unwritten law. In this case I am sure the word teen would be one of them.
Ok so now you have precedent that says you can prosecute someone for using the word teen in stories or in effect associated with sex or sexuality hmmm
Goodbye every domain with teen in it relating to sex or pornography
Hello an even newer precedent

You know what I think I am going to stop right here as it just dawned on me that this board is infested with idiots and this will fly over the head of the majority but for the rest of us ( those who do not support raids against legal businesses) we really should pay close attention tall of this the Christians are cashing in their IOU with bush and the adult entertainment industry is in the crosshairs.

Dont watch the boulder on the track while the train comes around the bend?fucking speak out and do something

KRL · 10-08-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

Your livelihood is at risk!!!!!
It can happen to you!!!
It will happen to you if the industry doesn?t stick together.

While stories about sex with kid?s disgust me?...

I support each and every one of those site operators because they were operating within the limits of the law.

Are you fuckin nuts?????

Sorry, but no way in hell can anyone justify supporting and defending CP sites in the name of Free Speech and the industry's livelihood.

The adult entertainment industry wants nothing to do with sites that promote CP in any way, shape or form.

And that crap is NOT within the limits of the law. It is obscene and it will be prosecuted successfully.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 02:15 AM

not the brighest candle are you huh....

a story about sex even with teens or pre teens can not be child porn...its a story

get a clue dude this raid has nothing to do with child porn

open your eyes a little wider and I promise you will be able to see the whole picture

Radik · 10-08-2005, 02:19 AM

maybe they just want the list of clients

KRL · 10-08-2005, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

not the brighest candle are you huh....

a story about sex even with teens or pre teens can not be child porn...its a story

get a clue dude this raid has nothing to do with child porn

open your eyes a little wider and I promise you will be able to see the whole picture

Search google for that site. They have stories about finger fucking new born infants you fucking stupid dipwhit.

I hope the FBI investigates every member of that site as well, which I'm sure they will.

Would you want your kid having a teacher who was a member of that site?

Would you want your kid going to get a doctor checkup if the doctor was a member of that site?

Would you want your kid going to an overnight camp if his or her counselor was a member of that site?

Geeeezzz WTF???

Theo · 10-08-2005, 02:25 AM

no, he wouldn't

let's forget actions and focus only on thoughts.

would you want the thoughts of people to be under control/supervision as an effort to prevent the written expression, but not the act of illegal activities?

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 02:30 AM

of course I would not want my kid in any of those situations....

but I also wouldnt want my kid aressted for writing a murder novel, or speaking against the president or jotting down his secret desire to be whipped by a dom or what if my son turns out to be gay?????

wouldnt want him in prison for that

so let me ask you a question OK?

if someone had a site with stories about killing mass amounts of people and say others posted stories on ways they thought you could kill people

should they be locked away????????

your logic says yes is this so??

Mutt · 10-08-2005, 02:33 AM

morons - there is no such thing as absolute free speech - you don't have the right to scream fire in a movie theater, you don't have the right to scrawl a death threat, you don't have the right to write libelous untrue statements about another person and on and on - and if these kiddy porn stories serve no other purpose, meaning NO literary value whatsoever other than to titillate pedophiles then i hope the Feds lock them up - fast.

TheMob · 10-08-2005, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

After reviewing the posts here, I'm with the DOJ and FBI on this one. I am surprised anyone would support stories that are clearly over the obscenity line.

What's the difference between writing about CP and images of CP? They are both digital files about CP and both provide visual and sexual stimulation. Words create images even though they are not images themselves. The end result is the same effect. And that is what needs to be considered by the courts.

Its the same thing as if you start saying threats about the president. The secret service would arrest you just for saying the words even if you don't follow through.

Its the same thing as if you were a terrorist with an assembled bomb ready to go and just a bunch of bomb parts and ingredients on a work bench. The Feds would arrest you in either case.

Its the same thing as if you were just writing plans for a conspiracy to kill someone and then you had someone else do the killing. You are still getting nailed for murder either way.

So I don't think words should be protected if they involve pornographic descriptions of sex with minors and especially if they are being sold on a commercial web site.

Obviously this site caters to pedos. Obviously there is more to the site than just stories since members were apparently able to trade image files and you can bet they aren't pictures of generally acceptable pornography.

I'd venture to guess many who say this cp stuff should be protected don't have their own children yet. If you did, you wouldn't be backing this sick shit up one bit. There IS a line out there. It may be murky at times. But as they've said in many cases, "You can't describe precisely with words, but you know it when you see it."

Fantasies are not wrong, hurting children is. That's why they need to be protected. We can't and shouldn't protect people from their own thoughts.

Your analogies are ridiculous. I can write about killing the president all I want. It's fucking fiction.

TheMob · 10-08-2005, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

morons - there is no such thing as absolute free speech - you don't have the right to scream fire in a movie theater, you don't have the right to scrawl a death threat, you don't have the right to write libelous untrue statements about another person and on and on - and if these kiddy porn stories serve no other purpose, meaning NO literary value whatsoever other than to titillate pedophiles then i hope the Feds lock them up - fast.

Because their thoughts are 'wrong'?

This isn't a black & white issue like that.

TheMob · 10-08-2005, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Search google for that site. They have stories about finger fucking new born infants you fucking stupid dipwhit.

I hope the FBI investigates every member of that site as well, which I'm sure they will.

Would you want your kid having a teacher who was a member of that site?

Would you want your kid going to get a doctor checkup if the doctor was a member of that site?

Would you want your kid going to an overnight camp if his or her counselor was a member of that site?

Geeeezzz WTF???

Of course not.. but locking them up for 15 years isn't gonna make them better people.

Mutt · 10-08-2005, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMob

Because their thoughts are 'wrong'?

This isn't a black & white issue like that.

yes the safety of children supercedes the right to free speech imho. stories, novels, movies that have some artistic and intellectual purpose for including sexual relationships between a child and an adult are protected - crappy porn stories written solely to appeal to and titillate those who could and are likely to abuse an innocent defenseless child are OBSCENE.

Webby · 10-08-2005, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

not the brighest candle are you huh....

a story about sex even with teens or pre teens can not be child porn...its a story

get a clue dude this raid has nothing to do with child porn

open your eyes a little wider and I promise you will be able to see the whole picture

Sheesh!!! Quit the bullshit about political conspiracies - that may come later.

"Stories" as well as imaging that depict child abuse in the manner portrayed on the website are subject to obscenity laws in the same way all pedo content is. Because it's "just a story" does not mean it's not obscene.

Someone mentioned Lolita (the movie from Vladimir Nabokov's book) .. the difference between Lolita and "Playground Antics" and "Slut Family 1" is that the latter is perverse crap written for pedos and with nada literary merit and subject matter ranging from incest, bestiality, rape of childen and hell know what else.

How long have you actually existed in the adult biz?? Bright candles sure ain't a phrase that blends well with your post.

PS.. You will know when any "political prosecutions" start. The problem at the moment is ya don't know what is likely to be obscene.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 02:47 AM

would the murder site example i described above be considered obscene in your book as well?

would the thought police come knocking?

Webby · 10-08-2005, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

would the murder site example i described above be sonsidered obscene in your book as well?

would the thought police come knocking?

Don't matter a shit what I think. All that matters is what a jury thinks - they are the "thought police".

Dopy · 10-08-2005, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

not the brighest candle are you huh....

a story about sex even with teens or pre teens can not be child porn...its a story

get a clue dude this raid has nothing to do with child porn

open your eyes a little wider and I promise you will be able to see the whole picture

2 useful meanings to assist in the reading of this thread.

Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal

Simpleton

A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool

Webby · 10-08-2005, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dopy

2 useful meanings to assist in the reading of this thread.

Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal

Simpleton

A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool

Got some amazing idiot shit here Dopy! They obviously went along to BestBuy and bought a computer to earn loadsa money out of porn and have not the first clue of the implications of anything, - combine that with nada judgement - it's a kickass cocktail!

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 03:03 AM

[QUOTE=Webby]
How long have you actually existed in the adult biz?? Bright candles sure ain't a phrase that blends well with your post.
QUOTE]

good job water boy keep the team hydrated while I sack the quaterback

written expression is written expression no matter what that expression is

I am still waiting for an answer from anyone on the murder site example given above

and for your information while I have not had time to make a million worthless post on an internet board i have been in the adult entertainment biz for 7 years and people like you are the reason we can no longer offer lap dances in strip clubs here in Tampa. ( if the club sells liquor)

because some slow thinker

dropped the ball and didnt take the right position at the right time.

you want to know what the argument was for banning lap dances??

it causes crime
makes kids get pregnant
causes divorce

you name it

Mr.Fiction · 10-08-2005, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dopy

2 useful meanings to assist in the reading of this thread.

Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal

Simpleton

A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool

Read the recent Supreme Court decision on "virtual child porn" and try again. There is no crime against a child if there is no real child. In a story, there is no real child.

Writing is protected speech.

When the details come out about this case, there must be more than what we've heard so far.

Buzz · 10-08-2005, 03:05 AM

USA 'll have "south park" banned soon
because of Kenny dying every time

Webby · 10-08-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Read the recent Supreme Court decision on "virtual child porn" and try again. There is no crime against a child if there is no real child. In a story, there is no real child.

Writing is protected speech.

When the details come out about this case, there must be more than what we've heard so far.

Who said there was a crime against a child??

"Obscene publication" is an offense and these are the possible charges Red Rose Stories may be facing.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopy

2 useful meanings to assist in the reading of this thread.

Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal

Simpleton

A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool

I will not even debate with you as it is obvious you are not too bright and would be a waste of my time. i suggest you do some research

KRL · 10-08-2005, 03:10 AM

Goodnight guys. To see people defending the rights of CP producers, even in written form, is making me sick.

Again, I go back to the basic point, if that's not Obscene content, then nothing else I know of could be defined as Obscene, so what is obscene?

Producing dimented content based on little kids for pedo's to jack off on just to make a fast buck is as scumball and discusting as it gets.

Mr.Fiction · 10-08-2005, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Goodnight guys. To see people defending the rights of CP producers, even in written form, is making me sick.

And yet you yourself would probably defend murder in the written form?

Isn't it sick to see people defending murder and supporting murderers?

The U.S. legal system says that murderers are worse than abusers, and yet some people would allow and support murder in writing and in movies.

Why won't the police arrest all murder supporters, starting with authors and movie producers?

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Goodnight guys. To see people defending the rights of CP producers, even in written form, is making me sick.

Again, I go back to the basic point, if that's not Obscene content, then nothing else I know of could be defined as Obscene, so what is obscene?

Producing dimented content based on little kids for pedo's to jack off on just to make a fast buck is as scumball and discusting as it gets.

maybe this is where we are missing eye contact

I dont think anyone here is defending CP but instead defending our right to free speech

an old saying goes give an inch and lose a mile

night to u

Webby · 10-08-2005, 03:19 AM

[QUOTE=pussyserver]

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Originally Posted by Webby

i have been in the adult entertainment biz for 7 years and people like you are the reason we can no longer offer lap dances in strip clubs here in Tampa. ( if the club sells liquor)

I asked how long you have been in the adult biz... not how long ya gave lap dances in strip clubs in Tampa.

OK.. Will qualify it - How long have you been acting as an adult webmaster on the net? If you say seven years... I'm hearing Forrest Gump shrimp fishing.

And no, I'm not the reason for any changes in the laws of Tampa re strip joints.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 03:25 AM

[QUOTE=Webby]

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyserver

I asked how long you have been in the adult biz... not how long ya gave lap dances in strip clubs in Tampa.

OK.. Will qualify it - How long have you been acting as an adult webmaster on the net? If you say seven years... I'm hearing Forrest Gump shrimp fishing.

And no, I'm not the reason for any changes in the laws of Tampa re strip joints.

I manage a gentlemans club in Tampa. I am new to adult webmastering ( hustling) and have promoted swing club fetish parties for almost two years.

does this help you??

Webby · 10-08-2005, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

I dont think anyone here is defending CP but instead defending our right to free speech

What rights to "free speech" are you claiming to defend?? The FBI busted Rosie initially because she may have committed obscene publications offenses. Not because they were limiting her "rights to free speech". If it's decided the alleged offenses are of substance, a jury will decide in the end whether the content is obscene or not.

You got a problem with that??

Webby · 10-08-2005, 03:31 AM

[QUOTE=pussyserver]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

I manage a gentlemans club in Tampa. I am new to adult webmastering ( hustling) and have promoted swing club fetish parties for almost two years.

does this help you??

OK.. got the picture...

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2005, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

What rights to "free speech" are you claiming to defend?? The FBI busted Rosie initially because she may have committed obscene publications offenses. Not because they were limiting her "rights to free speech". If it's decided the alleged offenses are of substance, a jury will decide in the end whether the content is obscene or not.

You got a problem with that??

at this point I will no longer debate this with you as you are not able to understand such serious subject matter nor the ramications of what looks to be a simple case to you

No hard feelings, I guess I expected too much of someone I dont even know.

one last thing I will say is please open your eyes before it's too late

Mr.Fiction · 10-08-2005, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

What rights to "free speech" are you claiming to defend?? The FBI busted Rosie initially because she may have committed obscene publications offenses. Not because they were limiting her "rights to free speech". If it's decided the alleged offenses are of substance, a jury will decide in the end whether the content is obscene or not.

You got a problem with that??

I have a problem with any government suppressing free speech.

What you are saying does not make any sense. You are saying that because they busted Larry Flynt and charged him with a crime, then it has nothing to do with free speech.

There are two issues. The first is that obscenity is not even in the constitution. The second is that charging someone with a crime for speech is always related to freedom and free speech.

Think about your argument in regards to China. If China decides to execute bloggers for publishing blogs critical of the government, which is illegal in that country, does that issue have to do with free speech? Does it have to do with freedom? Just because a government makes something illegal does not mean it doesn't have anything to do with freedom and free speech rights. The opposite of what you are saying is true.

When the government tries to suppress speech, that is the definition of attacking personal freedom and civil rights.

BeatingSkull · 10-08-2005, 04:24 AM

-- i cut & paste this exceprt found on another site---

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Written
In some countries textual material describing sexual activities involving children is legally classified as child pornography. In other countries, most significantly the United States, it is legal; written child pornography is legally protected by the US Constitution as long as it is not judged obscene. As a result of its general legality in the United States, written child pornography is easily available on the Internet.

Due to its widespread availability, countries in which it is prohibited have not always actively sought to enforce the legal prohibition against it. In general, people possessing or distributing this material are only charged if they come to the attention of law enforcement, most commonly while being investigated for other crimes (such as possession of visual child pornography, or child sexual abuse.)

The prohibition against written child pornography can extend even to materials produced by pedophiles for their own personal consumption and not revealed to anyone, such as diaries or journals in which they record their fantasies. Several individuals have been prosecuted for keeping such diaries. Some have argued that this violates their right to freedom of thought.

taken from the complete article at http://www.answers.com/topic/child-pornography-1

Now, is it wrong? YES 100% is it Illegal? see the part that says as long as it is not judged obscene. personally, i think they should lock her up. If somebody is capable of writing shit like that, then chances are they practice it too & condone it. We as adult webmasters, business persons, artists, producers, etc. whatever we are in this biz, we have an ethical duty to do what we can to be responsible. redstories in my opinion, was acting completely irresponsible, way out of line & imo condoning & advocating kp! fuck them.

Webby · 10-08-2005, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

I have a problem with any government suppressing free speech.

What you are saying does not make any sense. You are saying that because they busted Larry Flynt and charged him with a crime, then it has nothing to do with free speech.

There are two issues. The first is that obscenity is not even in the constitution. The second is that charging someone with a crime for speech is always related to freedom and free speech.

Think about your argument in regards to China. If China decides to execute bloggers for publishing blogs critical of the government, which is illegal in that country, does that issue have to do with free speech? Does it have to do with freedom? Just because a government makes something illegal does not mean it doesn't have anything to do with freedom and free speech rights. The opposite of what you are saying is true.

When the government tries to suppress speech, that is the definition of attacking personal freedom and civil rights.

OK Mr F... I am totally with ya on censorship/free speech stuff. Also, I know very little about the specifics of US law, but have defended alleged obscenity offenses over the years.

Larry Flynt was charged with an offense - he had his day in court and from what I remember, it was something he relished and strongly defended :-)

On anything that could be regarded as "normal porn" - I'll have my day in court anytime and defend it. The problem arises when in either imagery or text that depicts eg.. finger-fucking babies, daughter-fucking and generally areas of child abuse, whether these are "virtual" or real. Only my

worth cos it's really a jury matter and seeing any evidence in full, but I just find this sicko shit offensive and don't doubt a jury would find the same.

Let's put it this way, - I'd be speechless even making an attempt to justify publishing material depicting children being abused and in that respect, it has little to do with "free speech". We generally as webmasters report offenses of this kind, not defend them and it would be a sad day for children when adults assume child molestation is "acceptable".

On the Constitution... you ever think for one moment that the founding fathers would consider their comments on "freedom of speech" to be abused to the level of "finger-fucking babies"? I think not.

Your comparison with China executing bloggers for criticsm of the govt come no place near obscenity - of course anyone is entitled to criticize whoever they like and that is sure a free speech issue.

Where in... eg Rosie's case, is the govt attempting to surpress her speech or attacking her personal freedoms? So far all that has happened is the FBI are investigating.. basically child porn, and suspect with a desire to check out hard drives. If there is, and remains to be seen, any offenses, - Rosie will have her day in court and have her free speech with a jury and they will decide her demise or otherwise.

On the flip side, sure, I ain't listening to govt bullshit about restricting freedoms or having "values" to uphold - they were never elected for this purpose and their values don't matter a toss. They were elected to run the country - ie defense, economy and try and construct roads - sadly they seem to be failing on that.

And sure, the other factor right at this time is there is a tenant in the Whitehouse struggling to keep credibility and divert attention away from the main issues - and that's a dangerous time for easy targets, such as the porn biz, forgetting the fact that the Whitehouse tenant has hijacked religon and sits on God's right hand.

Basically pedos and their "associates" can have as much free speech as they like before they are locked in a cell. They just screw up/contaminate the biz we are in and give justification to others who wish to attack the business and legislate against it.

Webby · 10-08-2005, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

at this point I will no longer debate this with you as you are not able to understand such serious subject matter nor the ramications of what looks to be a simple case to you

No hard feelings, I guess I expected too much of someone I dont even know.

one last thing I will say is please open your eyes before it's too late

I never knew there was a debate. Child porn is simple... it's either child porn or not. There is little to debate.

KRL · 10-08-2005, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

I have a problem with any government suppressing free speech.

I have a problem with pedos being able to have web sites with content like this.

Do you have kids Mr. F? I sense not.

I'll protect my kid and anyone else's kids rights and welfare to the death on this issue. You get this sense of mission once you have a child and become a parent.

I'll bet you if this site has 500 members, they are all regular looking people working all sorts of jobs in communities. But quite often these pedo types that are into cp tend to also have jobs where they can interact with children.
They could be doctors, teachers, bus drivers, camp counselors, sports coaches, etc. You would never think they are pedo's just by looking at them.

The fact that so many of these sick fucks are able to be undetectably so close to children in the course of their daily work is every parent's absolute worst nightmare and fear.

In every society you have to set a line on things. Free speech is fine and dandy but there have to be limits on the most extreme gregious issues or it would be a free for all society where the security and welfare of children would be subject to great risk and endangerment.

So I hope the FBI and DOJ win this case and more than anything I hope they investigate anyone who was a member of this site because you'd have to be quite dimented to want to subscribe to this type of content.

Webby · 10-08-2005, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BeatingSkull

Written
In some countries textual material describing sexual activities involving children is legally classified as child pornography. In other countries, most significantly the United States, it is legal; written child pornography is legally protected by the US Constitution as long as it is not judged obscene. As a result of its general legality in the United States, written child pornography is easily available on the Internet.

Due to its widespread availability, countries in which it is prohibited have not always actively sought to enforce the legal prohibition against it. In general, people possessing or distributing this material are only charged if they come to the attention of law enforcement, most commonly while being investigated for other crimes (such as possession of visual child pornography, or child sexual abuse.)

The prohibition against written child pornography can extend even to materials produced by pedophiles for their own personal consumption and not revealed to anyone, such as diaries or journals in which they record their fantasies. Several individuals have been prosecuted for keeping such diaries. Some have argued that this violates their right to freedom of thought.

Interesting note! On actual child abuse cases, the US is one of the worst countries for talking the talk and not walking the walk.

Unlike the majority of western countries who willingly give up bodies to other countries where there are allegations of child rape/abuse committed within these countries, the US has failed miserbly in this area.

The last, and this was the first occasion the DOJ gave up a US pedo for prosecution of offenses abroad, was about a year ago. It took over two years pressuring the DOJ to give this creep up to another nation. They eventually gave in when threatened with embarassment in international orgs. The pedo was eventually extradicted from the US for trial and convicted of assaults on... think about 13 kids and is now serving a jail term.

Another asshole is being chased at the moment and is now back in the US - let's see if they give that body up without more fuss.

It kinda makes me puke listening to bullshit about free speech, values and rights when that shit is going on.

Webby · 10-08-2005, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

I'll bet you if this site has 500 members, they are all regular looking people working all sorts of jobs in communities. But quite often these pedo types that are into cp tend to also have jobs where they can interact with children.
They could be doctors, teachers, bus drivers, camp counselors, sports coaches, etc. You would never think they are pedo's just by looking at them.

Yep.. it's the next door neighbor and good friends and family!!

On Overture or WordTracker... try typing in pedo related words and check the search count - it's amazing shit and a sad reflection of society!

just a punk · 10-08-2005, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by adultchica

I agree with that, there is a point when a story involving disgusting CP is just taking it TOO FAR.

BTW, would you read some story featuring a premeditated murder? Say some kind of thriller where is described a "good guy" who cuts off a throat to kill some enemy sentry or something like that. Is murder legal in the USA now? Why do you allow the ppl. to read the books about it? Is CP more illegal than murder? Why it is legal to read about one sort of evil but illegal to read about other sorts of it? I think all the books that popularize any kind of violence (including murder of course) must be forbidden.

So "Rainbow Six", "Patriot Games", "Rambo" and even "Star Wars" must be forbidden! Thses books are all about murder!

Fletch XXX · 10-08-2005, 07:05 AM

you gotta love America.

Home of "Freedom of Speech" written by people who owned slaves and forced 12 year olds and teens to marry old slave owning plantation men.

here is your obscenity

Fletch XXX · 10-08-2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

So "Rainbow Six", "Patriot Games", "Rambo" and even "Star Wars" must be forbidden! Thses books are all about murder!

i was just telling someone this.

The latest star wars featues CHILD MURDER in it.

a room full of children are slain.

does KRL and the Good Guy Badge crew raise hell?

no.

Star Wars is full of murder and underage sex.but they let the kids wacth it and they think its a love story... yeah about two teens who fall in love, make a baby and start the clone wars

rebel23 · 10-08-2005, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

I'll bet you if this site has 500 members, they are all regular looking people working all sorts of jobs in communities. But quite often these pedo types that are into cp tend to also have jobs where they can interact with children.
They could be doctors, teachers, bus drivers, camp counselors, sports coaches, etc. You would never think they are pedo's just by looking at them.

I dont have kids KRL but can understand the emotional argument, the fact is these guys or women who harbour such thoughts are already doctors, teachers, etc and there's nothing we can do about it.

You seem to want a witch hunt to unearth these 'evil' people throughout America, that is utterly ridiculous. there is nothing we can do UNLESS or UNTIL a CRIME is committed by such an individual, that is how the US works based on the rule of law (although it is going out of the window), you want to punish for PRE-CRIME or thought crime like in Minority Report and that will just lead us into general anarchy.

just a punk · 10-08-2005, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

i was just telling someone this.

The latest star wars featues CHILD MURDER in it.

a room full of children are slain.

does KRL and the Good Guy Badge crew raise hell?

no.

Star Wars is full of murder and underage sex.but they let the kids wacth it and they think its a love story... yeah about two teens who fall in love, make a baby and start the clone wars

I'm not advocating cp! I'm also consider it EVIL. But I just compared it with another kind of evil... with a MURDER. Is murder better than cp? I think no. But why do you read all those books about it??? The pedos do read the cp stories because they are pedos. But how about you guys? Are you normal people? Why do yo read the MURDER stories? Are you getting excited when you read as good guy John Rambo killing his "enemies" with a big knife like a butcher? Is it the way the America should follow?

latinasojourn · 10-08-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

I'm not advocating cp! I'm also consider it EVIL. But I just compared it with another kind of evil... with a MURDER. Is murder better than cp? I think no. But why do you read all those books about it??? The pedos do read the cp stories because they are pedos. But how about you guys? Are you normal people? Why do yo read the MURDER stories? Are you getting excited when you read as good guy John Rambo killing his "enemies" with a big knife like a butcher? Is it the way the America should follow?

lots of you guys are using incorrect analogies.

John Rambo killing his "enemies" with a big knife is not the same as violating an innocent child.

i suspect decent people on a jury will understand the distinction and do the appropriate thing.

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10-08-2005, 02:47 AM	#171
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	would the murder site example i described above be considered obscene in your book as well? would the thought police come knocking? Last edited by pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE; 10-08-2005 at 02:50 AM..

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I am trying to picture the new show at 10PM on (insert network here): How to properly finger your 6 month old daughter. You really think it is a question solely of "freedom of speech"? If that is what freedom of speech gets you, I think many, many people would give up a little of their freedom to know that sick fucks like this guy spend the rest of their days in jail rather than anywhere near a minor. This isn't "fucking teens"... it's molesting 6 month old children. It is sick, sick shit. Anyone standing up for it makes me wonder. Alex

10-08-2005, 02:01 AM	#158
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	I posted this some days ago and it went largely ignored? http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/524342-buh-2257-porn-squad.html I am really starting to see why the adult entertainment industry is such an easy target and a whipping boy for whatever Johnny come lately moral debate is the talk of the day. A lot of the guys in this industry are complete fools with zero understanding of business, politics, or law. Now before the loser?s start flaming let me explain something to all of you. Your livelihood is at risk!!!!! It can happen to you!!! It will happen to you if the industry doesn?t stick together. The 3 recent raids over the last week are only the opening rounds of an all out war being waged by the Christian right. And in war every small victory amounts to overall defeat of the enemy. (You) While stories about sex with kid?s disgust me?... And Scat turns my stomach????. And dead bodies sadden me??? I support each and every one of those site operators because they were operating within the limits of the law. If you turn your back on them, instead of support them that will make it that much easier for the government to convict you when your number is pulled. You see people the bible thumpers are many and they are powerful and they are resourceful. But what makes them a formidable enemy in a time of war (and they are the enemy) is that they stick together and move as one. They are methodical and surgical in their attacks and believe me they intend to win. Let?s talk about precedent and its relation to one of the cases prec?e?dent P Pronunciation Key (pr s -d nt) n. 1. a. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances. b. Law. A judicial decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent similar cases: a landmark decision that set a legal precedent. 2. Convention or custom arising from long practice: The President followed historical precedent in forming the Cabinet. Know what that means?? Ok I will tell you, let say the lady with the website with the stories about teens having sex is prosecuted and eventually convicted??that will set a precedent that will make it easier for other government law enforcement bodies to prosecute and convict individuals based on what is now considered obscene. Once precedent is set its all down hill and some or all of the words used as evidence against her become sort of like an unwritten law. In this case I am sure the word teen would be one of them. Ok so now you have precedent that says you can prosecute someone for using the word teen in stories or in effect associated with sex or sexuality hmmm Goodbye every domain with teen in it relating to sex or pornography Hello an even newer precedent You know what I think I am going to stop right here as it just dawned on me that this board is infested with idiots and this will fly over the head of the majority but for the rest of us ( those who do not support raids against legal businesses) we really should pay close attention tall of this the Christians are cashing in their IOU with bush and the adult entertainment industry is in the crosshairs. Dont watch the boulder on the track while the train comes around the bend?fucking speak out and do something

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pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	not the brighest candle are you huh.... a story about sex even with teens or pre teens can not be child porn...its a story get a clue dude this raid has nothing to do with child porn open your eyes a little wider and I promise you will be able to see the whole picture

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,524	no, he wouldn't let's forget actions and focus only on thoughts. would you want the thoughts of people to be under control/supervision as an effort to prevent the written expression, but not the act of illegal activities?

10-08-2005, 02:30 AM	#164
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	of course I would not want my kid in any of those situations.... but I also wouldnt want my kid aressted for writing a murder novel, or speaking against the president or jotting down his secret desire to be whipped by a dom or what if my son turns out to be gay????? wouldnt want him in prison for that so let me ask you a question OK? if someone had a site with stories about killing mass amounts of people and say others posted stories on ways they thought you could kill people should they be locked away???????? your logic says yes is this so??

10-08-2005, 03:03 AM	#175
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	[QUOTE=Webby] How long have you actually existed in the adult biz?? Bright candles sure ain't a phrase that blends well with your post. QUOTE] good job water boy keep the team hydrated while I sack the quaterback written expression is written expression no matter what that expression is I am still waiting for an answer from anyone on the murder site example given above and for your information while I have not had time to make a million worthless post on an internet board i have been in the adult entertainment biz for 7 years and people like you are the reason we can no longer offer lap dances in strip clubs here in Tampa. ( if the club sells liquor) because some slow thinker dropped the ball and didnt take the right position at the right time. you want to know what the argument was for banning lap dances?? it causes crime makes kids get pregnant causes divorce you name it

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10-08-2005, 03:10 AM	#180
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