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Old 11-16-2005, 12:27 PM   #1
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is america really too far in the shitter to pull out??? a comparison of two cases

We all know aboy the cool mom who was sentenced to 30 years for having sex with some high school jocks


but did you know a lady in Tampa just recieved probation for hitting and killing two kids with her car in Tampa.

after she hit and killed the 5 year old and the 12 year old she hirried home and cleaned the blood off her car then went to work the next day as if nothing ever happened.

was right here in Tampa last week, story link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9940983/


my question is this, do you think the latter case sentence was based on race?

why such a big sentence diffrence in america?

what do you guys think of all this

my two cents is the lady who killed the kids got off wayyy to easy and the lady who sexed the jocks was sentenced wayyyyy too harsh

but what do you think?
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:34 PM   #2
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better explanation of what porter was on trial for

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...GNEWS/51104007
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:39 PM   #3
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We had a similar hit and run case that caused alot of dissatisfaction and anger. A man was drinking and driving, killing a grandmother and her daughters child. He drove away but they caught him eventually.

Guess what he got, 4 years in jail. Our legal system is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar to easy on criminals.

Did you know that if you kill someone in greenland you are put in an open institution for a while then released.
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I just read this..

"TAMPA, Fla. - The sobbing mother of two young boys killed in a hit-and-run accident last year urged the judge today to sentence the driver, an elementary school dance teacher, to the maximum three years in prison."

Three years? That's bullshit IMO.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:42 PM   #5
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We had a similar hit and run case that caused alot of dissatisfaction and anger. A man was drinking and driving, killing a grandmother and her daughters child. He drove away but they caught him eventually.

Guess what he got, 4 years in jail. Our legal system is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar to easy on criminals.

Did you know that if you kill someone in greenland you are put in an open institution for a while then released.
are you serious ???gotta be kidding you get put in an institution for murder

WOW

at least that worse then what this lady got for mowing down two babies then cleaning all the blood off her car and windshiled

probation

but the cool mom got 30 years for cosensual sex

WTF is going on?????????????
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:44 PM   #6
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Giving sex is way more damaging than killing someone...

You should know that
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:48 PM   #7
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Our legal system on the surface seems like an utter mess, but you must put into perspective that you only see the most sensational cases on the news, the "NEWSWORTHY" ones.

Unfortunately our news media here and all over the world in my opinion is far worse than the Criminal Justice system.
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Let's review:

Murder = Light slap on wrist
Sex = We're gonna fuck you hard
Pot = We're throwing away the key

I personally don't get it.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:53 PM   #9
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Let's review:

Murder = Light slap on wrist
Sex = We're gonna fuck you hard
Pot = We're throwing away the key

I personally don't get it.
That's republicanism for ya, and it works
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:55 PM   #10
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Wow... you Americans have quite a messed up legal system! Murder is more acceptable than sex in your society -- I can see how life imitates tv!
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Wow... you Americans have quite a messed up legal system! Murder is more acceptable than sex in your society -- I can see how life imitates tv!
yeah its pretty bad over here
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Murder = Light slap on wrist
Sex = We're gonna fuck you hard
Pot = We're throwing away the key

I personally don't get it.
That is about right for America...
So sad. So fucken weird.
I am glad I am not the only one that kinda thought about this recently.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:29 PM   #13
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only if its with someone over the age of 14
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:42 PM   #14
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my question is this, do you think the latter case sentence was based on race?
what do you think?
"Porter's attorney, prominent defense litigator Barry Cohen" basically says it all.

She was able to come up with the money to hire a quality lawyer. The legal system, like everything else in this country is all about the money.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:55 PM   #15
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I wish you'd get hit by a car, moron.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:03 PM   #16
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wtf

"TAMPA, Fla. - The sobbing mother of two young boys killed in a hit-and-run accident last year urged the judge today to sentence the driver, an elementary school dance teacher, to the maximum three years in prison"

3 years in prison is the MAXIMUM you can get for killing children and fleeing the scene? that's just fucked up.
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i have a friend that got caught selling ecstasy, he is serving 10 years

I have another friend who's brother in law molested and raped his daughter, he is serving no time and probably won't

and you ask if the system is flawed?
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keep in mind that this was an accident followed by poor judgement in leaving the scene and not reporting it. Had there been any evidence of intent to kill or reckless disregard to safety that lead to the deaths, you can be sure she would have been charged accordingly.
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keep in mind that this was an accident followed by poor judgement in leaving the scene and not reporting it. Had there been any evidence of intent to kill or reckless disregard to safety that lead to the deaths, you can be sure she would have been charged accordingly.

no matter what kind of accident this was keep the facts in mind

1.she ran down and killed two poor school children

2.she went home and cleaned the blood up from all over her car where she had decimated those children

3.she did not come forward for 5 days

her plan was to get away with it

no matter how you cut it this lady left the scene after killing two children

if you hit a parked car and leave the scene.....you are going to jail

but for killing those two innocent babies she got probation I think it pretty sad

and I think the cool mom sentence was just as fucked up at the other end of the spectrum


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no matter what kind of accident this was keep the facts in mind
2.she went home and cleaned the blood up from all over her car where she had decimated those children
It says the FATHER cleaned the blood off the car and hid the car, not the woman lol.
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It says the FATHER cleaned the blood off the car and hid the car, not the woman lol.

oh so she drove home and daddy cleaned up the blood for her...wow i guess that makes it better
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well i have not seen the article about the cool mom...is it verifiable information that she got 30 years? I say thats bullshit
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the "cool mom" was poor
the mom who killed two kids with her car = rich

money explains a lot
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no matter what kind of accident this was keep the facts in mind

1.she ran down and killed two poor school children

2.she went home and cleaned the blood up from all over her car where she had decimated those children

3.she did not come forward for 5 days

her plan was to get away with it

no matter how you cut it this lady left the scene after killing two children

if you hit a parked car and leave the scene.....you are going to jail

but for killing those two innocent babies she got probation I think it pretty sad

and I think the cool mom sentence was just as fucked up at the other end of the spectrum
Your "facts" are your interpretation of these events and are not so cut and dried.

Taking her side for a moment, consider:
-- she never was in trouble before.
--She was not driving like a bat out of hell (FHP determined her car was going 36-40mph in a 30 mph zone) and the next thing she knows her car has run over two kids in the street.
--She was a solo young white women in a predominately black neighborhood, at night.

Had they been faced with the same situation, many folks might have also freaked out and left the scene.

You fail also to consider that in the end, she did come forward. She could have never come forward. She could have denied, denied, denied and absconded to another jurisdiction. Plenty of people have done that before. Instead she came forward and accepted responsibility for her actions.

This is a tragic case, no doubt about it.
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Your "facts" are your interpretation of these events and are not so cut and dried.

Taking her side for a moment, consider:
-- she never was in trouble before.
--She was not driving like a bat out of hell (FHP determined her car was going 36-40mph in a 30 mph zone) and the next thing she knows her car has run over two kids in the street.
--She was a solo young white women in a predominately black neighborhood, at night.

Had they been faced with the same situation, many folks might have also freaked out and left the scene.

You fail also to consider that in the end, she did come forward. She could have never come forward. She could have denied, denied, denied and absconded to another jurisdiction. Plenty of people have done that before. Instead she came forward and accepted responsibility for her actions.

This is a tragic case, no doubt about it.

your facts are completely wrong

the accident happened at 6 PM and here in Florida ^PM is just as bright out as 12 PM

The neighborhood is not mostly black but a mixed neighborhood on border with USF (a university) check the demographics

and you statement about just finding her car just happened to hit two kids????? WTF are you serious dude?? car dont just hit people......people drive cars and hit people you cannot blame her car

she only came forward after an arrest warrant was issued from a witness writing down her plate number


no matter the case I dont care if you are a 16 year old sissy in the middle of a klan rally with a black boyfriend

if you run down and kill two little kids you stop

plain and simple

you do not go to work the next day

you do not clean blood from your veichle

sounds like she was high on something to me



and as far as the person wondering if the cool mom got 30 years

yes she did and all she did was have sex

1 lady kills two poor babies and gets probation

another has sex with a high school jock and gets 30 years



the country is really fucked up right now
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If you apply for a visa to the unites states. They ask some questions. If you have ever been a member of a terrorist group, or a nazi group, or been arrested for prostitution.

NOW WEHERE does it ask if you have ever been arrested for murder, rape, anything violent. Just prostitution.

Thats fucked up. Rather have some new hookers than new murderers.
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If you apply for a visa to the unites states. They ask some questions. If you have ever been a member of a terrorist group, or a nazi group, or been arrested for prostitution.

NOW WEHERE does it ask if you have ever been arrested for murder, rape, anything violent. Just prostitution.

Thats fucked up. Rather have some new hookers than new murderers.
hahaha thats funny so you can be a child murder but not prostutute
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The cool mom didn't only have sex, she also was giving the kids, cocaine, meth, alchohol, having parties at her house and so on. Details were left out of both stories to prove a point. I agree the legal system is fucked and it's getting worse.

But the "cool mom" didn't only have sex with a jock
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