Best case yet for death penalty in the UK

[onlytease]

Man admits raping a 12 week old baby, and gets sentenced to life with judges recommendation of serving 12 years, meaning he can apply for parole after 6 years. I think he should be hung, drawn and quartered!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/4599524.stm

[Webby]

Originally Posted by onlytease

Man admits raping a 12 week old baby, and gets sentenced to life with judges recommendation of serving 12 years, meaning he can apply for parole after 6 years. I think he should be hung, drawn and quartered!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/4599524.stm

Hell... and if you read between the lines (bottom of article) .. there is a reference to other admitted offences against a 14 year old. This is a pathetic specimen where, bets on, he has committed other related offences as well - but just not been caught.

Only worth but he knew what he was doing - he's done similiar shit before and either just a sicko or combination of that and evil with probably "controlling tendencies" (eg.. the other defendant). This sounds like he is of similar makeup to Ian Brady (of moors murders) and he seriously need locked up for a long time for the protection of others plus undergo psycho treatment to see if they can do anything with him.

Only my unbalanced view, but 25 years served time sounds more relevant. But presume the judge knows better from the evidence and psycho reports he's had - who are we to judge?

[Abithefiend]

Omg that's just awful.There truly are some sick bastards out there. I used to live in Hatfield ten or so years ago.

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

pedophilia is not curable...kill that fucker anally

[European Lee]

He wont last 6 days inside, nevermind 6 years.

He got as good as a death sentence

Regards,

Lee

[26MLR]

they'll kill him in prison.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Natural justice will take place here without any law changes and the threat of the death penalty would have been very unlikely to stop someone that sick.

[who]

How is it even possible to rape a 12 month old baby?

Oh fuck that man I can't eat my mandarine now. FUCK YOU FUCKERRRRRRRRR

[Thomas1007]

Originally Posted by European Lee

He wont last 6 days inside, nevermind 6 years.

He got as good as a death sentence

Regards,

Lee

exactly. They will know what his "crime" was before he even gets a cell.
Fucker will be dead in a week.

[Manowar]

That is just plain fucked up

[LiveDose]

Death penalty or not the fact that he would ever be a free man again makes no sense. A sick fuck like that could never be rehabilitated. He's not human.

[mrthumbs]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Natural justice will take place here without any law changes and the threat of the death penalty would have been very unlikely to stop someone that sick.

But wouldnt it stop him from doing it again?

[Webby]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Natural justice will take place here without any law changes and the threat of the death penalty would have been very unlikely to stop someone that sick.

Agree Sarah. Folks who are planning or in the act of committing offences don't exactly stop and think - "ah, this is a death penalty offence - I must be a good boy and behave."

The idea is they get off without being caught - unfortunately most of them probably do in real life.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

But wouldnt it stop him from doing it again?

Wel, in theory he will get a life sentence. In reality he will be killed in jail.

Also..the reason the death penalty was stopped in most cases in the UK (I think you can do it for treason still technically) was because of a number of cases of innocent people being put to death. Will be hard to argue against that to the people that will be the ones changing the law.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Death penalty or not the fact that he would ever be a free man again makes no sense. A sick fuck like that could never be rehabilitated. He's not human.

The sad shit about a very high percentages of these types of cases are that the defendants have themselves been abused and continue with that cycle. And... it's not just men who do this shit, - there is no gender distinction.

To be honest... I been in "adult" for decades and it still kinda throws a shiver down my spine when, eg. you are doing keyword research and end up with literally millions of searches which are obviously pedo-related. Can't remember the terms now, but some have actually higher search counts than what we would describe as "normal porn" searches.

Apart from a miniscule level of "genuine searches" by folks trying to see what it's all about, the vast majority of the rest do show a mirror of one very sad society where ya gotta assume the defendant in this case was a part.

There is a vicious cycle out there where abused victims perpetuate the abuse thru decades and there are no class boundaries. The damage done is incredible and .. dunno.. but don't think this is highlighted enough. Damage to victims often leaves them with baggage throughout their whole lives - eg an abused child often has the ability to develop MPD (multiple personality disorder) as a defensive mechanism. But that can remain with them thru adulthood and can get problematic.

I never knew all this shit existed till I met some victims - it's just very sad all round.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Also..the reason the death penalty was stopped in most cases in the UK (I think you can do it for treason still technically) was because of a number of cases of innocent people being put to death. Will be hard to argue against that to the people that will be the ones changing the law.

That's my main "gripe" against the death penalty - ie.. that even one innocent person ends up being executed just to pacify a state/nation so they feel justice has been done. If it means society has to pay for the incarceration of the vast majority of others who are guilty - so be it. We are all part of that society.

"There But for the Grace of God go I" - Where are ya iBill?

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Webby

That's my main "gripe" against the death penalty - ie.. that even one innocent person ends up being executed just to pacify a state/nation so they feel justice has been done. If it means society has to pay for the incarceration of the vast majority of others who are guilty - so be it. We are all part of that society.

"There But for the Grace of God go I" - Where are ya iBill?

The second someone can tell that not one innocent person will be killed by the state then I might change my view on the death penatly. However, as you can't bring back a person killed by mistake I am still against it. I have no problem with life meaning life and it not being particuarlly pleasant.

It is cheaper anyway to keep them alive then kill them.

[lopez]

death penalty is just the easy way out. let them suffer for a looooooooong life.

[nexcom28]

You just know that if this guy manages to stay alive in prison that when he gets out the government and police will relocate him to some nice warm country where the lynch mobs can't get to him, buy him a house, find him a job, clothe him, find him a job with a decent salary and offer him protection..

[Webby]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

The second someone can tell that not one innocent person will be killed by the state then I might change my view on the death penatly. However, as you can't bring back a person killed by mistake I am still against it. I have no problem with life meaning life and it not being particuarlly pleasant.

It is cheaper anyway to keep them alive then kill them.

Totally agree Sarah!

Suppose we should be thankful for advances in science re DNA and who knows what further advances will be made in future to establish more accurate forensic evidence.

Tho is may vary from country to country, there does not appear to be "infalibility" in what may be regarded as strong evidence. There are loopholes, failures and lawyers asleep on the job - we are all human, including lawyers.

The flip side of the coin is... if you got a rap sheet of a person condemned to death, - there are often many previous offences culminating in the "final solution". But again, that can serve as a reason "we know he did it" whether he did or not.

Another aspect... tho tends to be hidden, is the concept of executing underage people. OK.. who does? They wait, or did do, (not sure if that law is still in effect in the US?) till they are legal age then execute them.

There have been at least three kids treated this way (these are three that I happen to know about from a law person who researched their backgrounds, interviewed and became friends with two - up to and including their executions). They had all killed someone, usually one or both parents. The ages ranged from 11 years to.. think 14. The young boy in the middle of that age group was described as just "shut down" and no response. He had already given up - odd for a child. On the other two, they talked and one thing they had in common was the "abuse syndrome" again. They were both severely abused by either one or both parents over time - and serious abuse, often on a daily basis. There was little doubts all three committed the offences. Tho she was a law officer, this lady said she would have done the same as them and killed her parents if they abused her like that. She remained friends with both up to the time of their executions and one specifically asked if she would attend so he knew she was there when he was executed. She did.

Not sure, but think the laws may have since changed, and sure hope there is more consideration for the backgrounds - especially of those who commit offences while minors - when it comes to issuing death sentences.

[pornguy]

We can only hope that they do..

the penalty for spam is bigger right?

[je_rome]

Originally Posted by lopez

death penalty is just the easy way out. let them suffer for a looooooooong life.

I believe that crime does not pay. No amount of punishment can make ammends to the damage it had already caused.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pornguy

We can only hope that they do..

the penalty for spam is bigger right?

Ah... that's an $11 mill financial penalty and a death sentence pornguy!!

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Webby

Totally agree Sarah!

Suppose we should be thankful for advances in science re DNA and who knows what further advances will be made in future to establish more accurate forensic evidence.

Tho is may vary from country to country, there does not appear to be "infalibility" in what may be regarded as strong evidence. There are loopholes, failures and lawyers asleep on the job - we are all human, including lawyers.

The flip side of the coin is... if you got a rap sheet of a person condemned to death, - there are often many previous offences culminating in the "final solution". But again, that can serve as a reason "we know he did it" whether he did or not.

Another aspect... tho tends to be hidden, is the concept of executing underage people. OK.. who does? They wait, or did do, (not sure if that law is still in effect in the US?) till they are legal age then execute them.

There have been at least three kids treated this way (these are three that I happen to know about from a law person who researched their backgrounds, interviewed and became friends with two - up to and including their executions). They had all killed someone, usually one or both parents. The ages ranged from 11 years to.. think 14. The young boy in the middle of that age group was described as just "shut down" and no response. He had already given up - odd for a child. On the other two, they talked and one thing they had in common was the "abuse syndrome" again. They were both severely abused by either one or both parents over time - and serious abuse, often on a daily basis. There was little doubts all three committed the offences. Tho she was a law officer, this lady said she would have done the same as them and killed her parents if they abused her like that. She remained friends with both up to the time of their executions and one specifically asked if she would attend so he knew she was there when he was executed. She did.

Not sure, but think the laws may have since changed, and sure hope there is more consideration for the backgrounds - especially of those who commit offences while minors - when it comes to issuing death sentences.

Not to mention that if you are happy to execute an innocent person than it follows on that the person who really did it got away with it ans that is okay for the sake of order.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Not to mention that if you are happy to execute an innocent person than it follows on that the person who really did it got away with it ans that is okay for the sake of order.

Yup!!!

BTW.. It's a subject not spoken of much, but keep thinking it takes guts to befriend a kid (the easy bit!) - nevermind two, then see them grow up and be their friend and then attend their executions. I don't think, tho who knows, I could have done that without being more than a little "perturbed". But think I'd have to on some principle or other - it could easily be your own kids.