AOL Wins Judgment Against Spammer

[Basic_man]

America Online won a $5.6 million award against a Minnesota man who sent billions of spam e-mails over the service in 2003 and whose case helped lead to legislation to control spam.

The Minnesota man, Christopher William Smith, 25, was ordered to pay $5.3 million, or $25,000 for every day he sent out spam e-mails, plus $287,059 for America Online's legal fees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/technology/28spam.html?ex=1296104400&en=1cf72bcd72e685cf&ei=5 090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

25,000$ for everyday he sent out spam ? Do you really think he made near to this with his spams? Poor guy, he ruined his life

[fraggle]

pretty harsh

[Juicy D. Links]

that guy is a GFY'r

[3piece chicken Dinner]

This is terrific. I just wish it didn't take so damn long to get to court with these cases.

I hit delete , keep my mouth shut for the most part, but I shouldn't HAVE to .

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

that guy is a GFY'r

what's his nick? or are you just fucking around?

btw this was posted already

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by Basic_man

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/technology/28spam.html?ex=1296104400&en=1cf72bcd72e685cf&ei=5 090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

25,000$ for everyday he sent out spam ? Do you really think he made near to this with his spams? Poor guy, he ruined his life

Poor guy?
He got what he deserved, he should have been put in jail for a couple of years aswell.

[puravida]

psh. chris was doing well over $1mill/month with his pharmacy. a $5-6mill hit is nothing ... a cost of doing biz, if u shall

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by puravida

psh. chris was doing well over $1mill/month with his pharmacy. a $5-6mill hit is nothing ... a cost of doing biz, if u shall

his aol lawsuit is the least of his worries.....

it will be interesting to see how much jail time he gets. if he just gets convicted of the basics, i would say he's looking at about 3-5....

the variables in this case are that he pissed the judge off and left the country to avoid prosecution...

[Advanced Intellect]

I can't believe idiots who send SPAM to billing@, accounting@, sales@, support@.

You're pissing the wrong people off and eventually, you will pay.

It's not a matter of If, it's When.

[Rochard]

The United States Government sends junk mail to my house every day of my life for the past fucking thirty-seven years. At least this spammer wasn't killing trees in the process.

Why is it illegal for someone to send email, yet perfectly legal for the Post Office to make a profit sending out junk mail?

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by RocHard

The United States Government sends junk mail to my house every day of my life for the past fucking thirty-seven years. At least this spammer wasn't killing trees in the process.

Why is it illegal for someone to send email, yet perfectly legal for the Post Office to make a profit sending out junk mail?

again with this silly arguement?

[Odin]

Originally Posted by RocHard

The United States Government sends junk mail to my house every day of my life for the past fucking thirty-seven years. At least this spammer wasn't killing trees in the process.

Why is it illegal for someone to send email, yet perfectly legal for the Post Office to make a profit sending out junk mail?

I can tell you why it is acceptable, not necessarily legal. Because whiney little geeks don't walk outside to check the mailbox. And those who do walk outside and check their letterbox usually have better things to do than complain about useless shit. I swear there is such a huge and awesome world out there, I almost feel sorry for those idiots that have a heart attack over some emails, lol, what a joke.

[Advanced Intellect]

Originally Posted by RocHard

The United States Government sends junk mail to my house every day of my life for the past fucking thirty-seven years. At least this spammer wasn't killing trees in the process.

Why is it illegal for someone to send email, yet perfectly legal for the Post Office to make a profit sending out junk mail?

Wow. I think you really must have the IQ of a Rock.

Is that where you got your nic from?

[kernelpanic]

Yes, how unreasonable of him to send spam, that might actually compete with all the spam sent by AOL to its members.

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by Chief

I can tell you why it is acceptable, not necessarily legal. Because whiney little geeks don't walk outside to check the mailbox. And those who do walk outside and check their letterbox usually have better things to do than complain about useless shit. I swear there is such a huge and awesome world out there, I almost feel sorry for those idiots that have a heart attack over some emails, lol, what a joke.

Simple - the government makes money off of junk mail, and thus has no reason to make it illegal.

The feds don't get a cut of spam revenue, so they have no incentive to keep it legal, especially since the big ISPs are lobbying them for exclusive spamming rights to their own customers.

[marko13]

lolz... that's the prize for spamming...

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Poor guy?
He got what he deserved, he should have been put in jail for a couple of years aswell.

If you don't like spam, just filter it out or press delete. Don't complain when your inbox gets spam when your mail exchanger accepts said spam.

Spam contributes more to the economy than does online adult, and deserves more respect than it gets.

[Validus]

Depending on what his bank balance is... that could be a pretty harsh judgment.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

If you don't like spam, just filter it out or press delete. Don't complain when your inbox gets spam when your mail exchanger accepts said spam.

Spam contributes more to the economy than does online adult, and deserves more respect than it gets.

This is about the stupidest shit I've read all week. You're nothing more than a piece of shit spammer trying to justify your actions. Spam eats up resources and bandwidth for those of us who actually have legitimate online businesses, and it has cost businesses millions by not being able to send email to their customers because of spam filters.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

This is about the stupidest shit I've read all week. You're nothing more than a piece of shit spammer trying to justify your actions. Spam eats up resources and bandwidth for those of us who actually have legitimate online businesses, and it has cost businesses millions by not being able to send email to their customers because of spam filters.

Yeah and as we all know when companies lose millions on one thing it's never made up, those millions just disappear off the planet. Pretty soon there will only be $2 in circulation in the entire world thanks to spam costing everyone money.

If you don't think spam has produced more money for businesses than it "costs" businesses ask someone smarter than you and listen to the answer with an open mind. Or come on gfy and cry about the magical disappearing millions.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Yeah and as we all know when companies lose millions on one thing it's never made up, those millions just disappear off the planet. Pretty soon there will only be $2 in circulation in the entire world thanks to spam costing everyone money.

If you don't think spam has produced more money for businesses than it "costs" businesses ask someone smarter than you and listen to the answer with an open mind. Or come on gfy and cry about the magical disappearing millions.

The only 'businesses' that have benefited from spam are degenerates such as yourself that figured it was easier to rip people off with useless penis pills than to go back to shoveling shit for a living.

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

This is about the stupidest shit I've read all week. You're nothing more than a piece of shit spammer trying to justify your actions. Spam eats up resources and bandwidth for those of us who actually have legitimate online businesses, and it has cost businesses millions by not being able to send email to their customers because of spam filters.

Did I say I was a spammer? No, so STFU.


Yes, there are many frauds and ripoffs perpetuated by spam, but that doesn't mean that it is inherently evil. Spam is a medium, not a product, and I don't see why we should attack it when it connects millions of buyers to sellers.

If you're so upset about penis pills, why don't you start off on a rant against all the sponsors who advertise their pill programs on this board?


If were going to start marginalizing a viable business, how the fuck can we be upset and not hypocritical when the damn Christian conservatives start marginalizing adult?

[Stallion]

Damn that sucks, they prolly wont see much of that judgement...

[lyn1]

Originally Posted by Chief

I can tell you why it is acceptable, not necessarily legal. Because whiney little geeks don't walk outside to check the mailbox. And those who do walk outside and check their letterbox usually have better things to do than complain about useless shit. I swear there is such a huge and awesome world out there, I almost feel sorry for those idiots that have a heart attack over some emails, lol, what a joke.

Obviously you don't run a business like I do. The amount of time cutting throught the bullshit emails to find genuine emails; the constant changing of email addresses to avoid spam and no, spam killers don't work, because you spend just as much time looking for emails you don't receive.

If you have 4-6 hours a week to waste sifting through the spam shit...all I can say to you is get a fucking life.

Spammers should be sent to jail for the rest of their lives to be fucked up the arse by the perves.

I could throttle spammers.

Lyn from Oz

[Rui]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Poor guy?
He got what he deserved, he should have been put in jail for a couple of years aswell.

yep yep yep

play with fire and your bound to get burned!

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

The only 'businesses' that have benefited from spam are degenerates such as yourself that figured it was easier to rip people off with useless penis pills than to go back to shoveling shit for a living.

I don't spam you ignorant fuck, I simply have an IQ higher than 12.

[pornguy]

Sending a spammer to jail is a waste of time and money.. they should spend more time with the people that are stealing identity. and no, not all spammers do this.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sending a spammer to jail is a waste of time and money..

money that could be better spent on alot better of things.(border patrol! but thats a diff conversation)

think back 15 years ago.

now go to a judge & say

"we want you to put this guy in jail for sending a peice of mail, that dosent really exist, to a mailbox, again that dosent tangibly exist for longer then that guy who killed a few people"

can you think of his response.

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sending a spammer to jail is a waste of time and money.. they should spend more time with the people that are stealing identity. and no, not all spammers do this.

Yep.



Computer crime resources are best spent on finding carders and sexual predators, not spammers and kiddies writing myspace worms.



But then again, this country has a long tradition of locking up falsely convicted people, potsmokers, deadbeat parents, people who don't wear seatbelts, and people who don't pay parking fines.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Did I say I was a spammer? No, so STFU.


Yes, there are many frauds and ripoffs perpetuated by spam, but that doesn't mean that it is inherently evil. Spam is a medium, not a product, and I don't see why we should attack it when it connects millions of buyers to sellers.

You didnt have to say you're a spammer, its quite obvious. What you fail to realize (or admit) about spammers is that they are leaching off of other companies resources to sell their shit. Which makes them nothing more than thieves. Which is exactly why AOL wins these lawsuits.

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

You didnt have to say you're a spammer, its quite obvious. What you fail to realize (or admit) about spammers is that they are leaching off of other companies resources to sell their shit. Which makes them nothing more than thieves. Which is exactly why AOL wins these lawsuits.

I don't spam people. However, considering we're in the middle of a War on Porn, I'm not going to start marginalizing other viable online services, considering that the porn pushers aren't too well liked themselves.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I don't spam you ignorant fuck, I simply have an IQ higher than 12.

Okay Mr IQ of 13, please tell me who pays for the bandwidth for your spamming? Certainly not you.

[BlackCrayon]

these judgements make no sense. everyone says spam uses bandwidth, resources. well why not fine the spammer the cost of the bandwidth he used sending the emails off zombie PC's or the bandwidth used to download the messages.

personally i think the war against spam has nothing to do with the end user, no one cared about him before. why would they care now? its all about the government puppetry by the large ISP's who are losing a cut of their ad revenue.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Okay Mr IQ of 13, please tell me who pays for the bandwidth for your spamming? Certainly not you.

it shows how little you know, spammers use zombie pc's just to hit the inbox, not because they don't want to pay for bandwidth. they have to regardless. the spam has get to the zombied pc somehow. big spammers and those who use direct mailing methods have some hefty bandwidth bills.

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Okay Mr IQ of 13, please tell me who pays for the bandwidth for your spamming? Certainly not you.

Who pays for the bandwidth for legitimate email?


If your email box is set to accept mail from anyone with any IP, then its rather hypocritical to complain about bandwidth when mail from strangers shows up. If you are that concerned about bandwidth, just force a whitelist.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

LOL so funny to see people trying to Justify a criminal act.

If people subscribed to your service and paid you monthly for it then you may spam them of course but then that is not spam that is opting in. What right is it of any other individual to spam the client base of another company on the subsciption network? Courts figured that out pretty good I would say and have acted accordingly before this case with similer judgements.

Fucken thieves. Not just thieves, annoying thieves.

Not just fucking annoying thieves but possible individuals that send Adult Related content to Minors. There is not really a name for that kind of crime yet...

[kernelpanic]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

LOL so funny to see people trying to Justify a criminal act.

Porn is illegal in much of the world, especially the middle east.



Spam doesn't affect me that much. I filter it out, and go on with my life. I find true junk mail to be many times more annoying, since there is nothing you can do to make it go away.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Porn is illegal in much of the world, especially the middle east.



Spam doesn't affect me that much. I filter it out, and go on with my life. I find true junk mail to be many times more annoying, since there is nothing you can do to make it go away.

Who cares about the fucking world, this does not relate to the world it relates to An American stealing from another American on American soil on another Americans Network and the use of American Laws.

Which often protect the consumer and the working American citizen that pays for a service.

Hey I know how about I just take over HBO for about 3 minutes a day...

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by kernelpanic

Who pays for the bandwidth for legitimate email?


If your email box is set to accept mail from anyone with any IP, then its rather hypocritical to complain about bandwidth when mail from strangers shows up. If you are that concerned about bandwidth, just force a whitelist.

So you think the only bandwidth used when someone spams is from the end user? That is the least of it.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

This is about the stupidest shit I've read all week. You're nothing more than a piece of shit spammer trying to justify your actions. Spam eats up resources and bandwidth for those of us who actually have legitimate online businesses, and it has cost businesses millions by not being able to send email to their customers because of spam filters.

And you're just a piece of shit adult webmaster trying to protect the "good name" of your "respected" industry.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by The Demon

And you're just a piece of shit adult webmaster trying to protect the "good name" of your "respected" industry.

Well it does keep your mommy employed.

[Swanks]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sending a spammer to jail is a waste of time and money.. they should spend more time with the people that are stealing identity. and no, not all spammers do this.

amen

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

LOL so funny to see people trying to Justify a criminal act.

If people subscribed to your service and paid you monthly for it then you may spam them of course but then that is not spam that is opting in. What right is it of any other individual to spam the client base of another company on the subsciption network? Courts figured that out pretty good I would say and have acted accordingly before this case with similer judgements.

Fucken thieves. Not just thieves, annoying thieves.

Not just fucking annoying thieves but possible individuals that send Adult Related content to Minors. There is not really a name for that kind of crime yet...

Where's the criminal act you ignorant fuckstain? Your porn is a criminal act in thousands of small cities around the nation you worthless fucking turd. Not only that, you sell content / design knowing full well that it will be listed on TGP's where millions of kids are viewing. You should be shot a) for being so stupid, b) for being a hypocrite, and c) for screwing up all the kids with your filth.

[GiveIntoMe]

anti spammers rape donkeys & eat shit

[Swanks]

Not only do they eat shit, they are homosexualz!

[woj]

I get about 20-30 spam emails per day, maybe 10 of them end up in my mailbox, rest get filtered. So it's not really THAT bad, but for someone less knowledgable it can be a big problem. For example, my dad before I taught him how to work with the email on the internet, had his account up to 100s of spam emails per day, and that was within only a few months of getting on the internet. At that point his email address was just about unusable.

I have no idea how anyone can keep a straight face and say that everything is "ok" when that happens, and that the solution is to "just delete it."

And even if you look at my 10 emails per day, it doesn't look like THAT much, but if it takes 5 seconds to delete each one, that's about 1 min a day. Over a year, that's around 360 mins or 6 hours. 6 hours wasted sorting through penis pills, porn sites, or mortgage deals that I would NEVER order anyway.

[reynold]

wow!

I'm just wondering how much of that went to ATTORNEY'S FEES?!