Men should have a say in 'unwanted' pregnancy!

[tical]

About time someone got on this... thank the lord!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fa....ap/index.html

[tical]

err excuse the title... i meant 'unplanned' pregnancy

[SmokeyTheBear]

ouch i thought they were on a different angle im not sure i support this

They are saying a guy who gets a chick prego can say "either you get an abortion or i get to sign off on any financial obligation now"

theres 2 people that create an unplanned pregnancy. not just the woman , the mistake was not using a condom , not "not getting an abortion"

[SmokeyTheBear]

i totally agree men have been getting the short end of the stick on that one.. young girlsa get pregnant and have the child when neither parent is financially responsible enough to raise a child , and sometimes as leverage against the father..in the form of child support.

[GatorB]

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Anyone see the hypocrisy in this dumb bitches statement?

So men are forced to have a child they don't want because they had choice to either use a rubber or get a vasectomy, but women should not? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[StuartD]

It's a tricky subject... that's for sure.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

ouch i thought they were on a different angle im not sure i support this

They are saying a guy who gets a chick prego can say "either you get an abortion or i get to sign off on any financial obligation now"

theres 2 people that create an unplanned pregnancy. not just the woman , the mistake was not using a condom , not "not getting an abortion"

only the woman can decide to keep it or abort it regardless of what the man wants. thats whats not fair. a woman not too long ago blew a guy, kept his sperm and used to to get herself pregnant and then took the guy to court and the judge ruled he had to pay child support.

fuck that.

you're right.... it takes two. so the decision about what to do about it should be mutual.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Anyone see the hypocrisy in this dumb bitches statement?

So men are forced to have a child they don't want because they had choice to either use a rubber or get a vasectomy, but women should not? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Haha thats fuckin great. Not many people realize that a man has 0 say if he wants the baby and she doesnt. Amazing irony there though.

[tical]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

ouch i thought they were on a different angle im not sure i support this

They are saying a guy who gets a chick prego can say "either you get an abortion or i get to sign off on any financial obligation now"

theres 2 people that create an unplanned pregnancy. not just the woman , the mistake was not using a condom , not "not getting an abortion"

Oh right, I think they meant more of if they both agree it was an unplanned pregnancy the father can opt out of the financial responsibility...

If the mother can't support it she could give it up for adopotion if she doesn't want to go the abortion route.

Look at that guys case, his ex-gf said she had a physical impairment that wouldn't allow her to get pregnant... now she says she's prego and wants to keep it and is gonna jack him for child support. Thats going to have a big effect on that guys life and its not fair to him at all.

Even if they don't go the route of letting the guy opt out of financial responsibility maybe they can do something else like a lower responsibility... tax breaks on money given... something besides just stealing $ from his pocket

afterall it takes 2 and BOTH parties have equal (if not better options for the female) contraceptives

there are a good amount (not all) of women that do things like lie about being on birth control, etc because they know they can get $ from the father... the good ol 'keep a nigga' baby

[tical]

i'd like to hear what the women of gfy have to say on this matter

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

only the woman can decide to keep it or abort it regardless of what the man wants. thats whats not fair.

True but P.M.S. isn't fair either.. in a perfect world the baby would be born outside then those sort of decisions would be more fair, but the woman HAS the baby , and we cant really take that away , so were started off on an unfair advantage..

All that would happen if men got a say in abortion would be woman would say men raped them so they could have an abortion.. even as the law stands now the incentive to do that is frightening..

[BLACK_MaMBA]

In my opinion, if making it is considered as a mistake y would do another mistake like abortion and if they both love each other but the two of them was unstable they have to make it happen to be responsible enough by the help of friends and relatives for few years till they know how tostand by themselves. But if both of them just made it out of horniness and fun without love at all abortion is not an option to make still, the girl should carry herway and take it as if maybe it happens for a lot of reason and never take it as a punishment but a blessing for a new life for her to start to as a mom. Or she can give her kid to the less fortunate couples without a kid and would surely give a good future for her angel..

[Rochard]

This is an issue that will affect our nation for the next century.

In the past the legal system favored the women, although this seems to be changing. No matter how you look at it, child custody is a rip off - One side gets custody, the other side gets "limited visitation rights" and gets financially screwed for the next 18 years. No matter who gets custody, the man or the women, and no matter who pays the support, be it the man or the woman, someone is getting the short end of the stick.

The only soluation I see is joint custody, right down the center, and no financial support from either party. They each get the child for four days in a row, no matter what holiday or weekend, etc, is.

I dated a woman named Karen years ago who had a beautiful nine year old girl. For the frist five years of this child's life, the father didn't know he had a child. "Vince" didn't find out that he had a child until Karen listed him as the father on some document, and then the state sued his ass for back support. So far as I'm concerned, that's fraud - and Vince has a right to sue the mother. Of course this doesn't bring into effect the emotional damage of both the child and the father, both of whom missed out on the most important bonding years.

Thank god I never found myself in these circumstances.

[crockett]

LoL with his face all over CNN, I bet he will have a hard time getting some action from now on..

[Syl]

Geeze there are so many issues with this imo although the idea is interesting. I know each case is different but I don't feel that the typical child support order covers even half of what it takes to raise a child factoring in daycare, food, clothing, increase in rent for the additional bedroom, not to mention all the costs involved once that child becomes older and requires further needs such as car, college, etc. So those who pay child support (men or women) typical get off fairly lucky although the party paying never seems to see it that way. Another issue would be that if the father had no financial responsibility would that allow him to have no moral obligation to this child. Would this mean he has the right to just abondon this child and leave it fatherless and society is actually condoning this with trying to enforce something like this.

[sickbeatz]

If she doesn't wanna abort, you can always punch in the stomach really hard

[ready lube]

Men should have a say in 'unwanted' pregnancy!

they do and goes something like this right before the sex,

"aww come baby just this once, it's not gonna matter, I'll pull out I swear".

You make a baby you need to take care of it. There is no grey arae on this one.

Although I guess I should read the link you posted anyway huh

[tical]

Originally Posted by ready lube

Men should have a say in 'unwanted' pregnancy!

they do and goes something like this right before the sex,

"aww come baby just this once, it's not gonna matter, I'll pull out I swear".

You make a baby you need to take care of it. There is no grey arae on this one.

Although I guess I should read the link you posted anyway huh

yeah, or the girl could say... wait let me grab some spermicide.. put a sponge in... or maybe take the pill

or keep her legs closed

50/50 on a baby


the whole point of this issue is that if the child was unplanned, BOTH parties are responsible... if "unplanned" is proven and agreed upon by both parties then neither should be held financially responsible to the other... the woman has the choice to keep it or abort it or give it up for adoption

but if its unplanned and AGREED that it was unplanned and the father would like her not to keep it or to give it up because he isnt ready for a child... he shouldn't be held responsible... they both made the mistake

i dont understand how the father is the one blamed most of the time... thats bullshit if anything it is at LEAST 50/50

the "make a baby and take care of it" rule is bullshit, think about the quality of life for the child. not everyone in every community is capable of raising children

[Raven]

The only guaranteed unpregnant woman is one who does not engage in sex or the acquisition of sperm.

The only guarantee for men is to keep their dicks out of a girl's pussy, with or without protection.

Otherwise, both are responsible. If they mutually decide on a 'no fault' contract, then have mediators draw up papers from the start, beginning with dna testing to ensure the father is truly the father.

I agree with rochard. Joint custody. They must live in the same school district and visitation and responsibility is split. Each parent supports the child when the child is living with said parent. If there is a large gap in salaries, the one who makes more, provides more.

If the girl doesn't want the baby, it's still her right to abort. If he wants it, then mediation again, is warranted, as the stress on her body is enormous...

This is situational ethics at its best and worst; and, those involved need competent, and I DO stress competent and unbiased intervention....good luck finding that within our system in this country, though.

Men and women make babies. Somehow, some way, they are in this together, no matter how inconvenient or immature they are.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

I don't have a problem with abortion besides these two things...

1. It being used as birth control. If a woman has three abortions (not rape, incest etc), just freakin' sterilize her.

2. I don't think the MAN has enough say in it. I agree it's a woman's body, but if SHE chooses to have the baby, when the father doesn't want to, it should be HER that raises the baby on her own.

Spare me the "It's his responsibility" comments. It IS his responsibility, but it's ALSO hers. She's the one deciding, sometimes without regard to what the man wants or is capable of taking care of, both emotionally AND financially.

Perhaps some sort of arbitration (I can't believe I'm suggesting ANY legal process here) is best. The man gets a voice, and the woman gets a voice. If the arbitrator decides the man SHOULD be responsible because he's capable, so be it. Then the woman gets the ultimate final choice.

If the arbitrator decided the man ISN'T responsible because he ISN'T capable of support, the women can STILL have the final say on whether or not to keep the baby, but without any financial recourse on the man.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=492238

I've been saying that for a LONG time.

[Syl]

I see your points Ron, but the woman would also be the one one "killing" a baby. Men don't have to bear the burden of that guilt in the same way that a women would have to. This may make a woman more inclined to keep an unwanted child. I just can't see any reason for letting either parent not take responsibility regardless of the circumstances.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by Syl

I see your points Ron, but the woman would also be the one one "killing" a baby. Men don't have to bear the burden of that guilt in the same way that a women would have to. This may make a woman more inclined to keep an unwanted child. I just can't see any reason for letting either parent not take responsibility regardless of the circumstances.

As a man, I take offense to that.

We just don't have the FINAL choice. Women preach about having the RIGHT to have the choice because it's THEIR body. Great, I won't argue that point.

But because YOU'RE making the final choice, YOUR choice should have to take into consideration the ability and wants of the man. If you disregard the choice of a man who doesn't want to or have the ability to support a baby, YOU still have two choices without aborting. Adoption, or support it yourself.

[jennym]

Ok, this may not be very popular with the other women here, but here goes. As the one who will ultimately have to raise, kill, or give away a child, the ultimate responsibility is mine. If I cannot afford to raise a child financially/emotionally then I should keep my fucking legs closed, or use birth control at the very least (yes i know it's not a guarantee, hence the legs closed statement). A woman has the ability to shuck her responsibility, but the man doesn't. I find that very unfair. I also believe if the father wants the baby, he should have that choice. Don't want to carry a child? Don't get pregnant. Abortion as birth control really pisses me off.

[Syl]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

As a man, I take offense to that.

We just don't have the FINAL choice. Women preach about having the RIGHT to have the choice because it's THEIR body. Great, I won't argue that point.

But because YOU'RE making the final choice, YOUR choice should have to take into consideration the ability and wants of the man. If you disregard the choice of a man who doesn't want to or have the ability to support a baby, YOU still have two choices without aborting. Adoption, or support it yourself.

Heh. I am not in this situation and personally if I was in this situation I would ensure I could take care of that child with or without the father's support. I just think it's a shame if a child missed out on not only financial support but the benefits of having both parents in his/her life.

[KRL]

It be great if it happens, but I doubt we'll ever get that past the courts.

[phogirl69]

If I had a child I would not try and get financial "support" from my boyfriend, because he doesn't make very much so there's nothing to get and I also make more than enough to easily support the child financially on my own. I'm lucky that I'm financially set to be able to more than provide for myself and kids, I don't need ONE PENNY from any man at all.

I don't need anything from any man. That's the great thing about life, I can take care of myself! Whoooopdoodeeedooo.... When you can take care of yourself you don't need jack shit from anyone else.

I can do whatever the hell I want because I don't depend on anybody else!!!!!

[Big Red Machine]

Originally Posted by crockett

LoL with his face all over CNN, I bet he will have a hard time getting some action from now on..

In this Microwave generation it will be forgotten in a week

[Big Red Machine]

Originally Posted by phogirl69

If I had a child I would not try and get financial "support" from my boyfriend, because he doesn't make very much so there's nothing to get and I also make more than enough to easily support the child financially on my own. I'm lucky that I'm financially set to be able to more than provide for myself and kids, I don't need ONE PENNY from any man at all.

I don't need anything from any man. That's the great thing about life, I can take care of myself! Whoooopdoodeeedooo.... When you can take care of yourself you don't need jack shit from anyone else.

I can do whatever the hell I want because I don't depend on anybody else!!!!!

What is your idea of financial independence?
Do you have enough $ to not work and care for a kid?