Content providers - you are ALL pussies - GoFuckYourself.com

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 03:33 PM

including me.Asking why?
cause we sell our products underpriced.
I think the most of us (me also) don't realize that WE are those who create the porn and face of the biz.All sponsors , webmasters and customers of ours are just selling those products.They have nothing to do with creating the face of the porn.Not talking about those who produce the content themselfs - they are not your customers.
All those blow-outs and custom productions for peanuts are just ruining our biz.
Not talking about stealing the stuff , breaking the license agreements and so and so

discusse

Jakke PNG · 03-16-2006, 03:37 PM

Designers are underpricing themselves too. Sponsors are overpaying. Life sucks on the interwebs.

MrIzzz · 03-16-2006, 03:37 PM

i blame it all on george bush

Deputy Chief Command · 03-16-2006, 03:39 PM

and what about the talent ? they could easily say the same thing

and in the end the people that buy the content could also say the same thing , cause maybe you dont know it ,SELLING is an art on itself, if you dont know how the sell you wont make no money ,

if you think you can make more selling directly to the consumer , go for it, otherwise STFU

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

and what about the talent ? they could easily say the same thing

and in the end the people that buy the content could also say the same thing , cause maybe you dont know it ,SELLING is an art on itself, if you dont know how the sell you wont make no money ,

if you think you can make more selling directly to the consumer , go for it, otherwise STFU

YOU STFU boy - thats not what I am talking about.
Selling is the ART for sure and I don't undertake the skills of selling anything.In the world of today there is no problem to find a source of any goods - the problem is to sell it.
But there is a difference cause content providers are making far lower money then sponsors and webmasters - thats what I am talking about.
The situation about designers is even worse then content providers - its also no good

BusterBunny · 03-16-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz

i blame it all on george bush

Antonio · 03-16-2006, 03:53 PM

lets see, what'd people in this biz say:
talent - we're overworked and underpaid
affiliates - sponsors must pay us more
sponsors - we should pay them less, we give them everything they need, what are they bitching about
designers - we are selling ourselves short
and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo on

ever heard of demand and supply?

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny

deep throat talent

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

lets see, what'd people in this biz say:
talent - we're overworked and underpaid
affiliates - sponsors must pay us more
sponsors - we should pay them less, we give them everything they need, what are they bitching about
designers - we are selling ourselves short
and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo on

ever heard of demand and supply?

I agree and thats a good point.
demand/supply rules and thats the market - I am just saying that content providers are not calculating the price strategy right.

breaker · 03-16-2006, 04:00 PM

It's a competetive market with supply and demand. Nothing is wrong with it really. Take one supplier or purchaser away and the price changes. Easy economics ;)

alan-l · 03-16-2006, 04:11 PM

take a look at http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=9481865 maybe it will make your day brighter

and btw, we need to make a huge buy from you, so wait until then to raise the prices

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alan-l

take a look at http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=9481865 maybe it will make your day brighter

and btw, we need to make a huge buy from you, so wait until then to raise the prices

yes good post
also don't worry we won't raise the prices - I am just bitching around but won't do anything of course

PinkElectric · 03-16-2006, 04:20 PM

After Shock Media · 03-16-2006, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl

including me.Asking why?
cause we sell our products underpriced.
I think the most of us (me also) don't realize that WE are those who create the porn and face of the biz.All sponsors , webmasters and customers of ours are just selling those products.They have nothing to do with creating the face of the porn.Not talking about those who produce the content themselfs - they are not your customers.
All those blow-outs and custom productions for peanuts are just ruining our biz.
Not talking about stealing the stuff , breaking the license agreements and so and so

discusse

A fair markup is expected since I know that providers are running a business and not a charity. For those that can actually meet the specifications and provide the clients with exactly what they wanted in a timely fashion with minimal to no hassles, they should be compensated properly. For those types of providers I see no issue at all with them getting anywhere from a fity to one hundred percent markup over costs.
Where I run into problems is when some providers think nobody knows the approx costs of certain scenes and then really try to jack you over on the price. If I know a certain girl works for 200 per solo scene and the producer tries to charge me 600 for an unedited tape I can get a little perturbed.
I do think some providers have droped their prices to low though on certain things, yet that was the nature of the beast when more and more people began shooting. I just do not think many considered quality when they compared themselves to others. A quality producer should demand more.

u-Bob · 03-16-2006, 04:30 PM

i blame

Fizzgig · 03-16-2006, 04:34 PM

Competition will continue to make all aspects of this business tougher and tougher.

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

i blame

isn't it illegal to post pics of former Hitlerjungen ?

Matt_WildCash · 03-16-2006, 04:38 PM

There is excess amounts of porn producers and content producers, as this happened compeitition increased and so came the need for blow out sales and do you know how man porn dvd's are made a year? something like 10,000each year. You can't hold your prices high when there is that many producing content.

The market dictates prices, supply & demand nothing else.

MaDalton · 03-16-2006, 04:41 PM

we don't do blowouts for example cause this devalues what other customers bought before. we try to sell at reasonable prices - due to the cost structure we have and what the market does pay. and of course it makes a difference, whether someone buys 1 or 100 sets.
and i'd rather sell a set twice for $30 each than 12 times for $5

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

we don't do blowouts for example cause this devalues what other customers bought before. we try to sell at reasonable prices - due to the cost structure we have and what the market does pay. and of course it makes a difference, whether someone buys 1 or 100 sets.
and i'd rather sell a set twice for $30 each than 12 times for $5

agreed 100% and you are defenitevly 1 of those keeping the flag up
Also hard to find such a quality as www.amazingcontent.com so no need to discusse the pricing here

seeric · 03-16-2006, 04:49 PM

we dont apply. we shoot all ours exclusive and never sell it to people. what we do do is charge the consumer a fair price to view it.

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

we dont apply. we shoot all ours exclusive and never sell it to people. what we do do is charge the consumer a fair price to view it.

the best way how to do it

ok I am gonna sell ACC and start up few paysites soon

u-Bob · 03-16-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl

isn't it illegal to post pics of former Hitlerjungen ?

only if it involves some kind of farm animal...

MaDalton · 03-16-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl

agreed 100% and you are defenitevly 1 of those keeping the flag up
Also hard to find such a quality as www.amazingcontent.com so no need to discusse the pricing here

thanks, man - appreciate that. still a way to go to get to your level

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 04:54 PM

content providers have no value . . . anybody can shoot content. simple . . go to walmart, buy a vid camera and get a crack head and a retard . . . . then SHAZAM! .. .. ""content!!!!!"" is created . . what's so hard about that?

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

thanks, man - appreciate that. still a way to go to get to your level

ok ok ok - just keep making a jokes on me
I can accept that I am not even 50% as good as you but DID YOU KNOW THAT MY PENIS IS 35 CM LONG ? HE ?

u-Bob · 03-16-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bmb

content providers have no value . . . anybody can shoot content. simple . . go to walmart, buy a vid camera and get a crack head and a retard . . . . then SHAZAM! .. .. ""content!!!!!"" is created . . what's so hard about that?

Paul Markham's gonna kick your ass

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bmb

content providers have no value . . . anybody can shoot content. simple . . go to walmart, buy a vid camera and get a crack head and a retard . . . . then SHAZAM! .. .. ""content!!!!!"" is created . . what's so hard about that?

what he said
ACC for sale - includes domain , shop system , company , all the content and my pants

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl

what he said
ACC for sale - includes domain , shop system , company , all the content and my pants

charlie knows the sccore . . .

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Paul Markham's gonna kick your ass

why ?
he did it the same - went to walmart and start it up - all of us did

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl

why ?
he did it the same - went to walmart and start it up - all of us did

that what you did?

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 03-16-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrIzzz

i blame it all on george bush

MaDalton · 03-16-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl

ok ok ok - just keep making a jokes on me
I can accept that I am not even 50% as good as you but DID YOU KNOW THAT MY PENIS IS 35 CM LONG ? HE ?

well, that's what i learned about Czech Republic - the girls are beautiful and sexy and the guys have big dicks.

Nydahl · 03-16-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bmb

that what you did?

as I said - all of us did
or you think that poster above is not right ?
its so easy to shoot porn right - just buy the camera and thats it - am I right ?

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkElectric

great sig!!!!

fl_prn_str · 03-16-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz

i blame it all on george bush

next we will see the outsourcing of porn to india

Expo_Vids · 03-16-2006, 05:06 PM

Yeah well things are changing in the custom content biz. Seems more and more program owners realize they need to pay a little extra money in order to get content that looks good instead of buying it from any jerkoff who has figured out how to turn on a camcorder.

How most of these programs can still get people to sign up and stay members is beyond me.

I predict that one of the main factors in who will survive will be the quality of the custom content a program invests in now. Can you imagine that in 5 years people will still be starting paysites using scenes ripped from DVDs and being passed off as a reality site? Besides, most of those DVDs that are available for licencing are shit anyways.

I find it funny that last year peolpe were telling me that "the custom content biz is dead" Yet I got into it and charge way more per scene than they do and TURN down work all the time. All these guys would have to do is take a basic video production course if they wanted to be able to raise their prices. Lots of this porn shot by "content producers" has the production quality of a 5 year-old's birthday party video.

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_prn_str

next we will see the outsourcing of porn to india

yeah or some backwards countries like eastern europe for gods sake

NoWhErE · 03-16-2006, 05:06 PM

I feel that the porn industry is slowly adopting the McDonalds formula for business.

Now that everyone and their mother have TGPs and run paysites, the competition has gotten fierce. No longer do people in the bizz want quality, but more quantity so as to be able to keep supplying the heavy demand from surfers, affiliates and to beat their competition.

As a high quality video editor, I some time cringe at how low I have to bring my prices just so that people can afford me. In return, I have to work doubly hard to be able to give myself the salary I want to earn. Sometimes I feel like its going to kill me, but, hey, like you guys said : supply and demand...

MichaelAncher · 03-16-2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl

including me.Asking why?
cause we sell our products underpriced.
I think the most of us (me also) don't realize that WE are those who create the porn and face of the biz.All sponsors , webmasters and customers of ours are just selling those products.They have nothing to do with creating the face of the porn.Not talking about those who produce the content themselfs - they are not your customers.
All those blow-outs and custom productions for peanuts are just ruining our biz.
Not talking about stealing the stuff , breaking the license agreements and so and so

discusse

I agree with everything you say, and we have the same problem in the magazine industry.
There will always be someone that try to make some quick cash by selling cheap...seen it before and will see it again...but in general then they don't last long.

I always said " If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys " and I will for sure not lower my prices.

NoWhErE · 03-16-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Expo_Vids

Yeah well things are changing in the custom content biz. Seems more and more program owners realize they need to pay a little extra money in order to get content that looks good instead of buying it from any jerkoff who has figured out how to turn on a camcorder.

How most of these programs can still get people to sign up and stay members is beyond me.

I predict that one of the main factors in who will survive will be the quality of the custom content a program invests in now. Can you imagine that in 5 years people will still be starting paysites using scenes ripped from DVDs and being passed off as a reality site? Besides, most of those DVDs that are available for licencing are shit anyways.

I find it funny that last year peolpe were telling me that "the custom content biz is dead" Yet I got into it and charge way more per scene than they do and TURN down work all the time. All these guys would have to do is take a basic video production course if they wanted to be able to raise their prices. Lots of this porn shot by "content producers" has the production quality of a 5 year-old's birthday party video.

Amen.

The problem is the panoply of hillbilly dooshbags who think they can pick up a camcorder and be content producers. Then, of course, they have no clue as to what the value of their content is and charge pennies for their stuff (of course their stuff IS worth pennies since its so awefully produced).

But that cheap porn gets bought by cheap programs and boom, its flooded everywhere on the net. Eventually the content producers and the programs will go under because cheap porn is not a good business model... but with noobs spawning left right and center, we still keep getting a flux of unusable crap thats clouding the market, driving up inflation and driving down the salaries of people who are actually qualified to do the job.

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Amen.

The problem is the panoply of hillbilly dooshbags who think they can pick up a camcorder and be content producers. Then, of course, they have no clue as to what the value of their content is and charge pennies for their stuff (of course their stuff IS worth pennies since its so awefully produced).

But that cheap porn gets bought by cheap programs and boom, its flooded everywhere on the net. Eventually the content producers and the programs will go under because cheap porn is not a good business model... but with noobs spawning left right and center, we still keep getting a flux of unusable crap thats clouding the market, driving up inflation and driving down the salaries of people who are actually qualified to do the job.

Grapesoda · 03-16-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

A fair markup is expected since I know that providers are running a business and not a charity. For those that can actually meet the specifications and provide the clients with exactly what they wanted in a timely fashion with minimal to no hassles, they should be compensated properly. For those types of providers I see no issue at all with them getting anywhere from a fity to one hundred percent markup over costs.
Where I run into problems is when some providers think nobody knows the approx costs of certain scenes and then really try to jack you over on the price. If I know a certain girl works for 200 per solo scene and the producer tries to charge me 600 for an unedited tape I can get a little perturbed.
I do think some providers have droped their prices to low though on certain things, yet that was the nature of the beast when more and more people began shooting. I just do not think many considered quality when they compared themselves to others. A quality producer should demand more.

not sure where you live an work but I'll tell ya this: no girl in LA is going to come by for $200

GlydeGirl · 03-16-2006, 05:45 PM

It's really tough trying to sell high quality content at a fair price in 2006 -- everyone is squeezed for cash and wants to pay as little as possible, so if you wanna do biz you gotta drop the prices. It sucks, but that's the industry these days.

alan-l · 03-16-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Eventually the content producers and the programs will go under because cheap porn is not a good business model...

O RLY? You'd be quite surprised, most of today's programs where built that way and new ones show up everyday. Most of them will fail, but one or two here and there will succeed and then get better, as in design, content, interaction, whatever.

On the other hand, I can name you quite a bunch of programs built with some decent budget that failed miserably... and that's counting 2005 only!!!

Nothing is black and white, we've built sites with 6k filled with exclusive content and them some non-ex, I consider that cheap for exclusive, also built sites with budgets below 5k filled with LOADS of non-ex content. Question is: who will you sell this to? How will you market it? How will this site work? Which features will it include? That's the real magic, everybody and his neighbour could buy 200,000 pics and a few thousand vids and make a couple of sites... but do it the wrong way, and you just wasted your money. This applies for "decent budget" programs that failed as well as cheap bastards

03-16-2006, 03:33 PM	#1
Nydahl Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: closer then it appears Posts: 6,655	Content providers - you are ALL pussies including me.Asking why? cause we sell our products underpriced. I think the most of us (me also) don't realize that WE are those who create the porn and face of the biz.All sponsors , webmasters and customers of ours are just selling those products.They have nothing to do with creating the face of the porn.Not talking about those who produce the content themselfs - they are not your customers. All those blow-outs and custom productions for peanuts are just ruining our biz. Not talking about stealing the stuff , breaking the license agreements and so and so discusse __________________ www.garciniatrio.com www.acaitrio.com www.greencoffeetrio.com ICQ 153918034 email [email protected]

03-16-2006, 03:37 PM	#2
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Designers are underpricing themselves too. Sponsors are overpaying. Life sucks on the interwebs. __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-16-2006, 03:37 PM	#3
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	i blame it all on george bush __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

03-16-2006, 03:39 PM	#4
Deputy Chief Command Deputy Chief Command Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,482	and what about the talent ? they could easily say the same thing and in the end the people that buy the content could also say the same thing , cause maybe you dont know it ,SELLING is an art on itself, if you dont know how the sell you wont make no money , if you think you can make more selling directly to the consumer , go for it, otherwise STFU __________________

03-16-2006, 04:00 PM	#10
breaker Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: .EU Fiasco Posts: 652	It's a competetive market with supply and demand. Nothing is wrong with it really. Take one supplier or purchaser away and the price changes. Easy economics ;) __________________ Cash Breaker Latinas Deliciosas Blonde Loves Black She's Fuckable Fresh Blowjobs ICQ: 147104800

03-16-2006, 03:53 PM	#7
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	lets see, what'd people in this biz say: talent - we're overworked and underpaid affiliates - sponsors must pay us more sponsors - we should pay them less, we give them everything they need, what are they bitching about designers - we are selling ourselves short and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo on ever heard of demand and supply?

03-16-2006, 04:11 PM	#11
alan-l Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: look behind you Posts: 2,477	take a look at http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=9481865 maybe it will make your day brighter and btw, we need to make a huge buy from you, so wait until then to raise the prices

03-16-2006, 04:20 PM	#13
PinkElectric So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,064

03-16-2006, 04:30 PM	#15
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	i blame

03-16-2006, 04:34 PM	#16
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	Competition will continue to make all aspects of this business tougher and tougher. __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

03-16-2006, 04:38 PM	#18
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	There is excess amounts of porn producers and content producers, as this happened compeitition increased and so came the need for blow out sales and do you know how man porn dvd's are made a year? something like 10,000each year. You can't hold your prices high when there is that many producing content. The market dictates prices, supply & demand nothing else. __________________ Try the New XMovies.com and make more $$$ with your Traffic

03-16-2006, 04:41 PM	#19
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,829	we don't do blowouts for example cause this devalues what other customers bought before. we try to sell at reasonable prices - due to the cost structure we have and what the market does pay. and of course it makes a difference, whether someone buys 1 or 100 sets. and i'd rather sell a set twice for $30 each than 12 times for $5 __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

03-16-2006, 04:49 PM	#21
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	we dont apply. we shoot all ours exclusive and never sell it to people. what we do do is charge the consumer a fair price to view it.

03-16-2006, 04:54 PM	#25
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	content providers have no value . . . anybody can shoot content. simple . . go to walmart, buy a vid camera and get a crack head and a retard . . . . then SHAZAM! .. .. ""content!!!!!"" is created . . what's so hard about that?

03-16-2006, 05:06 PM	#37
Expo_Vids Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162	Yeah well things are changing in the custom content biz. Seems more and more program owners realize they need to pay a little extra money in order to get content that looks good instead of buying it from any jerkoff who has figured out how to turn on a camcorder. How most of these programs can still get people to sign up and stay members is beyond me. I predict that one of the main factors in who will survive will be the quality of the custom content a program invests in now. Can you imagine that in 5 years people will still be starting paysites using scenes ripped from DVDs and being passed off as a reality site? Besides, most of those DVDs that are available for licencing are shit anyways. I find it funny that last year peolpe were telling me that "the custom content biz is dead" Yet I got into it and charge way more per scene than they do and TURN down work all the time. All these guys would have to do is take a basic video production course if they wanted to be able to raise their prices. Lots of this porn shot by "content producers" has the production quality of a 5 year-old's birthday party video. __________________ Squirting pussies convert like mad!!! @ Suirting 101

03-16-2006, 05:06 PM	#39
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,383	I feel that the porn industry is slowly adopting the McDonalds formula for business. Now that everyone and their mother have TGPs and run paysites, the competition has gotten fierce. No longer do people in the bizz want quality, but more quantity so as to be able to keep supplying the heavy demand from surfers, affiliates and to beat their competition. As a high quality video editor, I some time cringe at how low I have to bring my prices just so that people can afford me. In return, I have to work doubly hard to be able to give myself the salary I want to earn. Sometimes I feel like its going to kill me, but, hey, like you guys said : supply and demand... __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

03-16-2006, 05:45 PM	#44
GlydeGirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,516	It's really tough trying to sell high quality content at a fair price in 2006 -- everyone is squeezed for cash and wants to pay as little as possible, so if you wanna do biz you gotta drop the prices. It sucks, but that's the industry these days.