US attack on iran... consequences...

[Sami]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12114512/


That scares the shit out of me.

[Jensen]

Iran is already supporting terrorist groups like Hezbollah and attacks within Iraq... so if that scares the shit out of you, wake up turn on your telly...

[DWB]

The USA could use a reality check right about now. America is swinging its big cock around just a tad too much where it is not wanted.

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The USA could use a reality check right about now. America is swinging its big cock around just a tad too much where it is not wanted.

so true

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Sami

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12114512/


That scares the shit out of me.

Hezbollah are not exactly known for "international terrorism" - they got their own issues and up to this point, don't give a fuck about the US or any other country. Only the US would use that pathetic excuse as a "reason for concern".

Meantime:

"U.S. officials would not discuss what evidence they have indicating Iran would undertake terrorist action, but the matter "is consuming a lot of time" throughout the U.S. intelligence apparatus, one senior official said."

Presumably there is, once again, no evidence - so it's hard to discuss it.

Chances are Hezbollah has a better intelligence serice anyways - it sure as hell can't be worse than US intell.

Little doubt the instigator of more shit will not be Hezbollah, but the current US admin.

Sure wish to fuck the US would stay out of every other countries faces and stick to farming chickens in Kentucky - maybe then "the world will be a safer place"

[aico]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The USA could use a reality check right about now. America is swinging its big cock around just a tad too much where it is not wanted.

Ya I know what you mean... we have this strange belief that we've actually won a war before, not sure where it comes from, but I think we have a losing record.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by aico

Ya I know what you mean... we have this strange belief that we've actually won a war before, not sure where it comes from, but I think we have a losing record.

The positive side of fighting a war someplace else than your own soil is that you can retreat when shit turns sour.

[Cash]

My concern is that the oil price would skyrocket, as for state terrorism being increased after punitive strikes, the French solution, of "nuke the bastards" could be efficient ...

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

The positive side of fighting a war someplace else than your own soil is that you can retreat when shit turns sour.

You can also censor the media so the people back home never see what's really going on.

The USA is now in a very bad position. We're strapped for cash and basically can't continue paying our bills without borrowing at least 20% of our income and most of that is going to pay the interest on money that we've already borrowed.

Most of the world hates us because we took over Iraq for oil and have been torturing them.

Iran may be posing a serious threat and we don't have the money and it may be difficult to get the support to actually stop them. If we do go in it will be under funded and end up creating even more hatred towards the USA.

Breeding generations of hatred is what causes terrorism but for some reason we think it's fighting it.

[KRL]

Can't wake up every day worrying about shit like this or you'll live a life in constant fear of terror. Its not in your control. Stuff happens all the time and you just have to pray and hope you're not in the wrong place at the wrong time when it goes down.

Earth is a violent planet. The powers that be profit from and keep control of it by staying violent, so nothing is going to change that anytime soon. It is a jungle and will always be.

There are too many diverse cultures and governments that won't give an inch and can't stand each other. We say Fuck Iran. They say Fuck USA. Everybody just says Fuck You to each other. That's the reality.

Fortunately, the combined allied countries in the more civilized and democratic world have the most powerful destructive military and technology resources on the planet so the Iranian cockroaches can blab all the threats they want. At the end of the day when push comes to shove their whole country can be decimated at the push of a button. We know that and they know that. And as long as that power is intact, it'll be ok in the long run. They can break our legs with their terrorist shit, but our baseball bat can vaporize their asses.

[bellskids]

lol well thats ok then KRL as long as we can avenge a small nuclear attack by turning Iran into the worlds biggest pane of glass with a few ICBMs no problem!

In all likelihood if the US was to use military force it would be a tactical strike aimed at shutting down their nuclear capabilities the same way the Israeli's did to the Iraqi's years ago. That is if Israel doesnt just go ahead and beat them to it. I sincerely hope that even Bush would not be so stupid as to consider an all out invasion and "regime change". That really would be a new vietnam.

[Designed Perfection]

i dont like that at all...

[KRL]

Originally Posted by bellskids

That is if Israel doesnt just go ahead and beat them to it. I sincerely hope that even Bush would not be so stupid as to consider an all out invasion and "regime change". That really would be a new vietnam.

Its already been authorized and set to go.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The USA could use a reality check right about now. America is swinging its big cock around just a tad too much where it is not wanted.

So what you would rather Iran just continue to build their nuke program.. Then what? Iran is already supporting terrorist activity in Iraq and their leader has the same mentality as the typical terrorist.

So do we just wait until they blow a nuke in Israel, the US or some European country? Then I bet everyone would bitch, why didn't the US attack their nuclear program.

I in no way support the Iraq war or Bush, however I do think that now that we have fucked up Iraq we need to fix it, so I don't support pulling our troops out.

Now back on Iran which is a totally different story from Iraq, I've personally always felt that we should have taken out Iran over Iraq. The simple fact is, if you guys are scared that Iran may do terrorist attacks as retaliation, what makes you feel any safer if we let them get nukes?

Iran with nukes is something this world doesn't need. Unfortunately Bush has used up our military and world support on false pretenses and now we can't use it where it's needed in Iran.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Iran may be posing a serious threat and we don't have the money and it may be difficult to get the support to actually stop them. If we do go in it will be under funded and end up creating even more hatred towards the USA.

They can't effectively hate the USA in that part of the world any more than they already do.

However if any of them get the bomb they will have a very effective way to act on that hatred.

Everything the Mullahs believe in screams out to them that they must have the ultimate weapon....and they must use it against that which they know to be "The Great Satan".

Make no mistake about it, if Iran gets the bomb they will use it.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by aico

Ya I know what you mean... we have this strange belief that we've actually won a war before, not sure where it comes from, but I think we have a losing record.

WTF are you talking about lol, we have won MANY wars. Unless you are from France and you are talking about that country.

[Splum]

You people are naive if you think we can allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, Ill take a few suicide bombers over Iran nuking every interest we have in the middle east. Seriously whether you hate the Bush admin or even your own country dont get confused that Iran actually gives a fuck about you heh.

[warlock5]

Let Israel handle it.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Splum

WTF are you talking about lol, we have won MANY wars. Unless you are from France and you are talking about that country.

List please ( should be easy ) ...

[CyberHustler]

[Splum]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

List please ( should be easy ) ...

The American Revolution
The War of 1812
Mexican-American War
The Civil War(Republicans won this one but Im sure you want to discount it)
The Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
The Korean War(The UN made America stop this war but we were winning pushing past the 38th parallel into communist territory)
Desert Storm(Iraq surrendered)
Enduring Freedom(Afghanistan)

[Hollywood376]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

List please ( should be easy ) ...

• American Revelotion (1775)
• War of 1812
• Mexican American War
• Spanish American War
• WWI
• WWII
• Korean War
• Desert Storm - Our last war in the 20th century

If you call Vietnam a loss, that's a record of 8-1. Good enough to get into the tournament???

[Juilan]

The Russians won WWII.

Technically the Red Army defeated Nazi Germany. Eisenhower halted the Western allies and allowed Zhukov and Konev to commit the Coup de Gras by taking Berlin.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Juilan

The Russians won WWII.

Technically the Red Army defeated Nazi Germany. Eisenhower halted the Western allies and allowed Zhukov and Konev to commit the Coup de Gras by taking Berlin.

Well it was a joint war in Europe being we were a big part of wining it. However we were the ones that actually finished up the war in the Pacific with the defeat of Japan.

Desert Storm was also a joint venture, wasn't just a US victory, but we did lead it and put the most troops and equipment on the ground and in the air.

Also let's not for get Vietnam was a French failure before we ever took it over. We actually won all the battles but lost the war, because our country wouldn't let the military win it. Probably much the same that will happen in Iraq.

[Hollywood376]

Originally Posted by Splum

The Civil War(Republicans won this one but Im sure you want to discount it)

I didn't count the Civil war, since it was in our own borders.

From that Washington POst article:
"There is also a growing consensus that Iran's agents would target civilians in the United States, Europe and elsewhere, they said."

The dumbest thing that Iranians could do would be attack inside the USA, because that is just the sort of thing that makes US citizens unite in their cause. Right now everything occurs in some far off land called "the middle east" where we only have to see a few news stories at 6pm. If the threat gets to close to our front doors, I'm sure the terms "Democrat" and "Republican" will take a back seat to "American".* We can accomplish a lot when we are divided, but when we unite in the US we do have the ability to kick tail.

*The use of the term "American" to represent residents of the United States of America is not meant to diminish the fact that Canadians to the north and all those to the south of the U.S.A. are not also American.

[bellskids]

Forget bombers etc, imagine the chaos and panic that a few snipers could cause. Remember the washington sniper? A few cells of random shooters around the world could cause absolute mayhem.

[2HousePlague]

Originally Posted by bellskids

Forget bombers etc, imagine the chaos and panic that a few snipers could cause. Remember the washington sniper? A few cells of random shooters around the world could cause absolute mayhem.

Exactly. Anyone clinging to the idea that traditional warfare is what you have to defend against is an idiot.

2hp

[Splum]

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Exactly. Anyone clinging to the idea that traditional warfare is what you have to defend against is an idiot.

Haha you are more worried about a couple of snipers or suicide bombers than you are of a nuclear bomb? If you dont think for a minute Iran wont use that weapon you sir are the idiot lol. Its like having America being controlled by Pat Robertson and other far right religious elements, very very dangerous.

[Juilan]

Originally Posted by crockett

Well it was a joint war in Europe being we were a big part of wining it. However we were the ones that actually finished up the war in the Pacific with the defeat of Japan.

Point well taken regarding breaking the will in Japan with air superiority that was significant. My rationale regarding who won is by who contributed the most AND came out on top. For instance, the Americans lost 300,000 in WWII. The British lost 600,000. The Russians lost 17-20 million and took down the Nazi's.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Juilan

Point well taken regarding breaking the will in Japan with air superiority that was significant. My rationale regarding who won is by who contributed the most AND came out on top. For instance, the Americans lost 300,000 in WWII. The British lost 600,000. The Russians lost 17-20 million and took down the Nazi's.

I dont discount the Russian vast importance to World War II at all, they did a tremendous world saving job there, I am just pointing out that America was a significant war time power that changed the tide of the war on many occasions.

[2HousePlague]

Originally Posted by Splum

Haha you are more worried about a couple of snipers or suicide bombers than you are of a nuclear bomb? If you dont think for a minute Iran wont use that weapon you sir are the idiot lol. Its like having America being controlled by Pat Robertson and other far right religious elements, very very dangerous.

I am looking at cause and effect. Consider the effects of the 9/11 attack on this country. They could not have done that with a nuclear bomb. We must assume they had the option to use one. This is not about simple destruction (which would be a function of megatonnage), but about achieving specific effects on a society. Of course, you're right though, except I think if there is a nuclear weapon used in the next few years, it will probably be the US that uses it. Pat Robertson would approve, I'm sure -

2hp

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

The American Revolution
The War of 1812
Mexican-American War
The Civil War(Republicans won this one but Im sure you want to discount it)
The Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
The Korean War(The UN made America stop this war but we were winning pushing past the 38th parallel into communist territory)
Desert Storm(Iraq surrendered)
Enduring Freedom(Afghanistan)

Splum... don't be so damned arrogant and make claims of the US "winning" both World Wars. The operative words are "world wars" and many nations were involved. The US contributed much - tho so did 30+ other nations.

Have a close hard look at the "wars" with Latin America. The then US govt decided to invade Latin American countries - not just Mexico, but the invading forces were repelled. There is little good to be said of this - it was the same land, power and cheap labor grabbing which exists today with oil. It is also noteable that most of the countries where the US attempted to invade, never showed any aggression towards the US. The Spanish word "gringo" is applied to US forces/citizens till this day in reference to the times of the US bullying - they still remember it well in their history books.

Na.. Better not include fighting between each other (Civil War) - it then gets more embarassing and damned sad.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by KRL

At the end of the day when push comes to shove their whole country can be decimated at the push of a button. We know that and they know that. And as long as that power is intact, it'll be ok in the long run. They can break our legs with their terrorist shit, but our baseball bat can vaporize their asses.

Heh, I love how you worded that.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Splum... don't be so damned arrogant and make claims of the US "winning" both World Wars. The operative words are "world wars" and many nations were involved. The US contributed much - tho so did 30+ other nations.

Dude its not ME being arrogant those are HISTORICAL FACTS buddy. Are yu saying the invasion of Normandy by MOSTLY American forces did not turn the tide of the war to the allies side in Europe? Are you saying that dropping two nukes on Japan did not put an end to World War II? If so then maybe you should consult some historians.

[KRL]

I'm starting to think the guys running Iran are losing their marbles completely.

From a military standpoint they are making major blunders already.

WTF are they thinking showing off this new torpedo they claim is the fastest ever at 230MPH and no naval boat or sub can outmaneuver it. If you have a device with that much offensive power, the last thing you want to do is tell everyone about it.

That's as stupid as it gets, to show the other side your cards.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Dude its not ME being arrogant those are HISTORICAL FACTS buddy. Are yu saying the invasion of Normandy by MOSTLY American forces did not turn the tide of the war to the allies side in Europe? Are you saying that dropping two nukes on Japan did not put an end to World War II? If so then maybe you should consult some historians.

Get your point Splum, but also know that the US did not "win" two World Wars - that's just too absurd and sure as hell is not in any history book anywhere, tho Hollywood may suggest this

Other nations were already fighting WW2 on several fronts before the US was even involved. BTW.. I'm not decrying or deriding US involvement in either world wars - the US played an important role along with many other nations and where several of those other nations paid a far higher price.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by aico

Ya I know what you mean... we have this strange belief that we've actually won a war before, not sure where it comes from, but I think we have a losing record.

You are clearly joking, right?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Splum

WTF are you talking about lol, we have won MANY wars. Unless you are from France and you are talking about that country.

Anohter fucking idiot.

Go back to History Class moron.

France has won more wars than the U.S has been in.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Webby

Other nations were already fighting WW2 on several fronts before the US was even involved.

European nations were just on the brink of pushing back the Nazi war machine. I mean, to this day the French celebrate the "French liberation of Paris".

[VIPimp]

Originally Posted by Jensen

Iran is already supporting terrorist groups like Hezbollah and attacks within Iraq... so if that scares the shit out of you, wake up turn on your telly...

What scares me is you believe everything you see on your telly.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Webby

Get your point Splum, but also know that the US did not "win" two World Wars - that's just too absurd and sure as hell is not in any history book anywhere, tho Hollywood may suggest this

Other nations were already fighting WW2 on several fronts before the US was even involved. BTW.. I'm not decrying or deriding US involvement in either world wars - the US played an important role along with many other nations and where several of those other nations paid a far higher price.

The U.S "WON" those two wars becasue they were on the side of the allies.

They supported tons of other ways but in regarding to the conflict in Europe in WWII, they didnt come in untill way after Germany knew it was over.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Alex

Anohter fucking idiot.

Go back to History Class moron.

France has won more wars than the U.S has been in.

Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by WarChild

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How the fuck was WWII in the loss column??

You just said yourself in regards to the Napoleonic wars. It doesn't matter how many temporary victories or losses you have, all that matters is where you come out at the end.

And the allies won WWII

[lyn1]

Every US negative force must belong to GFY.

I am starting to wonder that to qualify as a porn webmaster:

1. You must be shit scared of the bird flu (that is a media beat-up)

2. Hate US

3. Hate George Bush

4. Hate Microsoft

5. Hate Bill Gates

6. Shit scared a war is going to kill you.

7. Shit scared the US is going to beat the shit out of Iran

8. Shit scared the Arabs are going to hate the US even more

9. Shit scared of poofters

10. Hate Juicy Links for turning gay

11. Be an uneducated/unemployed teen

12. Actually think US has lost every war it has contested.

Must I go on. I could add to this for ages.

Step back and take a reality check and have a look at yourselves.

Lyn from Oz

[KRL]

Originally Posted by lyn1

Every US negative force must belong to GFY.

I am starting to wonder that to qualify as a porn webmaster:

1. You must be shit scared of the bird flu (that is a media beat-up)

2. Hate US

3. Hate George Bush

4. Hate Microsoft

5. Hate Bill Gates

6. Shit scared a war is going to kill you.

7. Shit scared the US is going to beat the shit out of Iran

8. Shit scared the Arabs are going to hate the US even more

9. Shit scared of poofters

10. Hate Juicy Links for turning gay

11. Be an uneducated/unemployed teen

12. Actually think US has lost every war it has contested.

Must I go on. I could add to this for ages.

Step back and take a reality check and have a look at yourselves.

Lyn from Oz

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Alex

How the fuck was WWII in the loss column??

You just said yourself in regards to the Napoleonic wars. It doesn't matter how many temporary victories or losses you have, all that matters is where you come out at the end.

And the allies won WWII

Yeah, the French were an integral part of the allied victory in Europe during WWII. I mean, without their beaches to land on, the British and Americans might not have been able to liberate them.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by lyn1

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Let me ask you something:

Have you ever experienced a war? Not one where your country had troops fighting in other countries.

But one, right on your own turf. Or have you had family members go through something like that?

[WarChild]

Let's not forget France as a colonial power! Boy what the English, Spanish and Portugese would give to be able to be sniveling in Quebec! You go France.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Yeah, the French were an integral part of the allied victory in Europe during WWII. I mean, without their beaches to land on, the British and Americans might not have been able to liberate them.

Don't give me that bullshit. Russia was the only country in WWII that defeated Germany ALONE.

If it come down to the way you put it, then Russia won WWII (in regards to the European conflict)
and the U.S, Britain, and France lost.


We all know that the U.S army in WWII was a piece of shit. Open a history book, they admit it themselves. Britain would have surrendered in two days had they not been supported by the Convoy System from the U.S

Only Russia went at it alone, yet Britain and the U.S get credit for the win

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Alex

Don't give me that bullshit. Russia was the only country in WWII that defeated Germany ALONE.

If it come down to the way you put it, then Russia won WWII (in regards to the European conflict)
and the U.S, Britain, and France lost.


We all know that the U.S army in WWII was a piece of shit. Open a history book, they admit it themselves. Britain would have surrendered in two days had they not been supported by the Convoy System from the U.S

Only Russia went at it alone, yet Britain and the U.S get credit for the win

Yes I agree that Russia was a giant part of the allied win. Couldn't have been done without them. France on the other hand, not so much, eh?