Kevsh

Oh so much hate here! Typical.
As a webmaster who pushes AWE let me offer this insight as to why I do, take it for what you will:

1) They do convert. Of course, not everyone agrees, but that's the same with any program.

2) You get 30% revshare and how many other cam programs offer 30% as a BASE? Not to mention the bonus structure.

3) Don't assume that after 14 days ALL of your customers will vanish. Like I pointed out on page 1: If you send via your own site or a co-brand MANY will come back through your site. I KNOW this because I have had customers last for months.

4) Even in a 2-week period some customers drop $1000+ - anyone who promotes cams can tell you that a long-term customer almost inevitably spends more in the first few weeks then gradually slows down over time. You are getting credit when they spend the most.

Lastly, if you don't agree with the reason on why they don't offer lifetime "rebills" then that's fine. Personally, I don't agree with the philosophy but as Vik pointed out, they are soliciting suggestions from webmasters and are planning on alternatives. If you are totally convinced they are "skimming" in one way or another, then nothing will change your mind ... but you can't argue they're giving a lot back ($100K contest and very generous thread here on GFY giving away a LOT of $$$)

Bottom line is, instead of wasting all your time hating just don't promote them? It's a pretty easy thing to do

chadglni

I don't promote them although I know several people who might. What is irritating is the fact that it isn't readily available info. The program owner(s) know damn well that affiliates aren't expecting rebills to only work for 14 days nor does it make that clear anywhere. But you know as well as I do that if they wrote "Rebills for 14 days!" on their site they'd have, lets say a "few" less webmasters than they do now. If they are so confident in their payouts just be up front with everyone and work with integrity, not spend 100k that probably came from unsuspecting webmasters to dup others into giving away their most valuable assets.

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TheSenator

I am pretty sure they are making behind the scene deals right now. Trying to keep their big traffic sources.
Hmmmm....
I'll bump you to 35%....no I'll bump you 50%
I also leave cookie for life.
deal???

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lazycash

This is the real issue of the thread. I sign up for just about every cam sponsor and at some point throw them some traffic. Having done cams for so long, the natural assumption is that revshare means for the life of the customer because thats been the case with any revshare cam program I've ever signed up for. I don't expect AWE to broadcast their policy, but it should be clearly noted as part of their compensation and in their faq.

lazycash

Good points Kev, sounds like the co brand option would alleviate the cookie issue. I don't really agree with you though on most revshare customers spending the majority of their money up front. Cams sell because the surfer can directly interact and get to know the models with free chat. Sometimes they take a few days and even a few weeks to do this. When they find that one model that they connect with and really gets them going, they will then go private. I've had surfers spend money week after week for over two years on the same model. Obviously in those situations the model developed a relationship with the surfer and was able to entice them into coming back for more and more.

I don't think the main objective of this thread is to hate on AWE, its just to let them know that they need to be more up front with existing and prospective webmasters. I agree with you, if you don't like their policy, don't whine and bitch and try to get them to change it, just don't promote them.

gentmaster

Why do they have to be upfront about expiring cookies? Since when did expiring cookie duration become a negotiating term for converting traffic?

If you send a sale for an advertised site you get the commision. Fair and simple.

Suggesting multiple chains of conversions are owed to the originating affiliate is about as fair as spyware re-assigning my affiliate cookies as well.

Doctor Dre

Ugh ? It was the webmaster who got you the customer. Without him, you wouldn't have the customer, so why in hell doesn't he deserve lifetime rev share ?

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Remember when a revshare program went pps

lazycash

Guess you aren't familiar with revshare cams. The webmaster is told that they receive 30% of all revenue earned, nothing is said that this only lasts for 14 days. If I'm promoting a regular adult site on a revshare program, I'm expecting to get a % of recurring rebills for the life of the customer. If the programs fails to tell me that they only pay for the first 2 months of rebills, don't you see that as an issue? There was a huge issue just like this last year when some sponsors were found out to have turned off rebills in their ccbill admin after a set number of months.

TheSenator

I can't believe people are actually defending this practice.

PPS is just that...
Rev Share is for life...

I bet most you guys would bitch if you found out that one of your CCBill affiliate program ended their rebills after a couple of days.

Don't make me post screen cap of my recurring customers.

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chadglni

I really wonder how you people make it in this world. Unbelievable.

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gentmaster

Agreed. I stand corrected. I was referring to PPS. No argument with what you wrote there.

gentmaster

see above

chadglni

Don't do it. I'm so glad only a handful of people understand cams. This industries best kept secret.

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chadglni

Haha wake up and quit smoking the sticky stuff.

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gentmaster

Actually now that I think about this again; as an affiliate and your competitor, my thoughts still stand.

TheSenator

I'll keep bumping this thread. Making sure new webmaster are fully informed.

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lazycash

Yep, cams are a different cookie, its obvious in this thread who understands them and who doesn't.

lazycash

No prob, but you'll have to change your sig to 95%

TheSenator

powering bumping... working on post count.

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slapass

Did Smoky or anyone else defending them find it on the webiste?? I looked and found no mention of 14 days. As someone else pointed out, whales can build over a long time. A normal cam program can takes months to build into a reliable revenue stream.

AWE converts and gets multiple sales when they do but I now see why i am averaging so little per sale and why it did not go up over the 2 months i have pushed them.

SmokeyTheBear

he cut that from the websites webmasters questions forum.. from an awe staff member and its been posted on gfy before as well. it isn't clearly stated in the terms , it should be..

would you say you get more initial recurring sales with awe compared to other cam sponsors or less ? whats the average signup worth ?

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TheSenator

I wonder if they are going to change their terms or just cut deals with some of their webmasters.

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chadglni

Deals are cheaper. ;)

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Kevsh

For existing webmasters, there's little doubt we'd make more if it were real lifetime revshare but the fact is that those that learn to work within the system they have do well.

Argue all you want about it being unfair, etc. etc.
As far as I know, there is no ISO standards for affiliate programs, just because they do it differently doesn't mean they are violating any written code. Some of you act like it's a personal affront to you that they do things against what you're used to!

If their system sucked so bad and was so unfair, why do they have so many happy webmasters? Everyone would just cut and run, sending their traffic somewhere else.

If you try them out, watch your sales for a few months and you really feel you're not making good coin, then bitch all you want. Otherwise, you are pretty much speaking out of ignorance.

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There are a few people in this thread who obviously have little experience promoting cams, thus their ignorant statements. Let's get one thing straight, unlike regular paysites you can not try cam sponsors out for a little while and go with the one who makes you the most money. That method is not accurate in this case. Promoting cams is a whole different ballgame.

We are not talking about $29.95/mo memberships. These cam sites charge anywhere from $1.50 to $6.00 per minute. In other words, the typical middle class surfer is either going spend very little time in private or shy away entirely. Every industry has products that are targeted towards the wealthy, we've got pay-per-minute cams.

What that means is that you can go through quite a few referrals before getting lucky and having a wealthy guy spend hundreds (or even thousands) per month in private time.

Those "extra" earnings you may think you are getting on a good short term deal are offset by this and then some (or by a lot if you nab a whale).

lazycash

Nobody is really saying anything about it being unfair, we are simply saying that it should be disclosed to the webmaster as part of their program. I agree, they are certainly able to run their program as they see fit, if you don't like it then don't promote it. If I sign up for any sponsor and promote their revshare option, then the assumption is that you will receive your cut of all recurring billing for life. Obviously because of this I won't be assuming anything anymore.

TheSenator

Ahh... I think they deals are out.

My underground has confirmed.

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TheSenator

Don't make me post a screen cap of a compulsive cam customer.

Rev is the best and should always pay for the lifetime of the member. Period.

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Krille

bump for today

L-Pink

General question about the mechanics of revshare/cookies ... Since deleating cookies is a routine practice for many users isn't this a poor system for long term tracking anyway?

Forgive my ignorance, trying to learn ...

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remember alot of you are the same ass clowns who
say, it's not if they shave, it's how big is the check.

idiot fucking sheep

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DamageX

Most sponsors don't rely on cookie tracking in order to determine what affiliate sent the signups. They do, however, rely on cookies in order to track returning visitors who don't sign up the first time they visit. However, in this case, it seems that AWE do employ the practice of using cookies to determine signups and, in this case, they are only valid for 14 days.

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It is and obviously awe knew that when they implemented it

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Kevsh

I know all about compulsive cam customers, thanks.
And for every one of those guys that spends $5k/month for a year, there's 20 that spend $1k in the first week or so then disappear for good.

I stated above, I don't agree with their reasons for not offering lifetime revshare, but again I'll ask: Point me to any lifetime revshare cam programs that *start* at 30% payout? You get a very nice share, regardless of how many sales you send, and IF you promote them properly you'll re-flag your big fish and end up getting 30% lifetime.

You are not looking at this carefully and clearly you are uninformed about their program. You choose to keep barking at the "it's not lifetime" and ignore the rest of the story. I don't doubt you know the cam market, so do I, and I am telling you from my experience that the payout is good, they convert and it's NOT simply 14 days and *poof*, customer is gone.

Try them out, but do it properly, and if after a few months you still feel like it's a ripoff to you, then fine. Otherwise, you're not really saying anything new or substantial. Let it go.

darksoul

First of all, nobody should have to do that in the first place to retain customers.
But even if you cobrand it sucks because its not really cobranding its a landing page and from there you surfer will be redirected to livejasmin not to your url. Most of the surfers that signup will bookmark livejasmin directly.

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DamageX

Not saying you're right or wrong, but since they choose not to run their revshare program as lifetime, why wouldn't they inform webmasters about it straight up, without making them run through hoops to find out? Ron contacted me on ICQ and wanted me to understand that they don't advertise their program as lifetime revshare. Which is fine and dandy, no one can argue with that. BUT FUCKING TELL YOUR AFFILIATES STRAIGHT UP! Otherwise it's as deceptive as it can be, short of straight-up lying about it.

It may well be so that this cam program makes people more and it may well be so that, if you know what you're doing, you'll have a cash cow on your hands. But let's face it, MOST PEOPLE DON'T. And it's those people's recurring the sponsor program pockets, since they don't bother informing them straight up. Additionally, arguing that this is something they didn't take into account and make them sound anything short of deceptive weasels doesn't cut it in my book.

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SmokeyTheBear

They did , you cut that from the awe support forum , for awe members, on the awe website it was pretty clear, you said yourself you werent interested you just thought it was "funny",.

Your question was answered in the thread you cut it from and the post you quoted, not sure what else you want, i think most people will agree it should be in the terms as it is a rev-share program , and most people would assume it means lifetime tracking ( because thats how "most" operate ) , you have been informed of how it works and informed it will be changed so if you want to continue "enlightening" gfy feel free but your just shooting yourself in the foot , as people who promote them know how well awe pays and cookie length is irrelevant.. try them and prove me wrong or bitch and complain and prove nothing .

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Krille

why would anyone have to weed through a sponsors forum to find out how shady they are???

kevsh do you really think 30% for 2 weeks is better than less percentage for life? right...

DamageX

How about putting it in CLEAR words, in a place where every affiliate will likely look? How many affiliates, from your experience, visit the support boards of every sponsor? Put it any way you want, this is deceptive, at best.

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SmokeyTheBear

i totally agree , you dont have to be so abusive about it , as i said i bought up the very same points when i first found them , i was EQUALLY as shocked , i remember my exact words "thats gonna be a hard sell to good cam affiliates" , but its all in how it works for you.. i had my boudts i tried them , they work.. they should be more transparent , i wish all companies were, no use beating a dead horse.. they plan on changing it , and it will likely affect payouts, if you dont like how they operate now just because you are aprehensive of trying a 14 day cookie revshare , give it some time and try them when they have changed and see how it goes..

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SmokeyTheBear

good idea

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DamageX

See Viktor's reply.

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Manowar

Viktors reply is pretty telling

SmokeyTheBear

i already said i dont agree with what he said , i dont know viktor , and i think he stuck his foot in his mouth by sharing his personal feelings on one particular area ( rebills when your no longer sending traffic ) , he wasn't referring to rebills in general.. as i mentioned awe will be updating its tracking in the near future and it will make this more of a moot point than it already is.. although not clearly stated , they certainly arent "shady" in their disclosure , they are pretty straight forward. I think everyone agrees it should be on the t.o.s. other than that i think you should really either give them a try or give it a rest.. ( just my )

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Krille

good idea

Krille

i should learn some manners, being disrespectfull to people trying to help is childish , rude and serves no purpose , sorry to anyone i insulted , i was being an ass.

Krille

in the future i will try to listen when people give advice instead of shooting my mouth off and making false assumptions.

Krille

lol smokey get off my account and post from your own instead