Why do processor don't verify validity of email ??? - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 07-23-2006, 10:15 AM

Like I got this CB ( my second in the year )... The email bounces back, so probably a stolen card or something ...

But if the processor would implement a confirmation system ( like when you register to a forum ), it would at least require a valid email ..

I agree, it is not much of a safety, but it is a supplementary step that could filter out a few fraud cases ....

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This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

[email protected]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host mx2.mail.yahoo.com [67.28.113.70]: 554 delivery error:
dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account ([email protected]) [-5] - mta129.mail.re4.yahoo.com

Doctor Dre · 07-23-2006, 10:23 AM

Frauders would only make real free email accounts and you'd loose a certain percentage of the sales...

Kimo · 07-23-2006, 10:41 AM

yeah, bad idea!

webseth · 07-23-2006, 10:50 AM

the logged IP address should be enough to give a collections team direction, with the exception of them defrauding you from proxies or public access points.

- Seth

EvilFubAr · 07-23-2006, 10:53 AM

If the email receipt bounces why dont you refund that transaction yourself. You have to fight your own chargebacks so get to work.

directfiesta · 07-23-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilFubAr

If the email receipt bounces why dont you refund that transaction yourself. You have to fight your own chargebacks so get to work.

It bounced back to paycom, not to me

Am I going to send an email to every signup to verify the validity ....

The point is not to track down the fraud, but to prevent the chargeback, by refunding when it is a doubtfull transaction....

Anyway, not the place to discuss this.

NETbilling · 07-23-2006, 12:19 PM

In the Netbilling system, you as the merchant have the ability to reject trasnactions if the emails bounce. It is one of our custom fraud tools that is available to you.

Mitch

pstation · 07-23-2006, 12:37 PM

Adding such a step seems like it would cause more problems than it would solve. It's going to deteur only the laziest of the laziest fraudsters since it's so simple to open up a free email account anywhere. In additonal, something like this might deteur legitimate signups since its another annoying step and the email will likely get delivered to the spam/bulk inbox or blocked outright due to the fact that the nature of the email is adult. One way that might work effectively would be to "flag" the account for manual review if just the email bounces.

venus · 07-23-2006, 01:33 PM

netbilling has a option to verify emails but I do not use it, the reason is some ISP's, like AOhell and servers using services like spamhaus, blocks lots of email causing them to bounce back, so using a email bounce system can cause you to lose lots of sales. You do not have to be a spammer to get caught up in having your email blocked any more.

corvette · 07-23-2006, 01:41 PM

upon request, CCBill can provide email validation before the completion of a signup, for credit card transactions or online checks

imo, I recommend this feature for checks

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NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,582	In the Netbilling system, you as the merchant have the ability to reject trasnactions if the emails bounce. It is one of our custom fraud tools that is available to you. Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	netbilling has a option to verify emails but I do not use it, the reason is some ISP's, like AOhell and servers using services like spamhaus, blocks lots of email causing them to bounce back, so using a email bounce system can cause you to lose lots of sales. You do not have to be a spammer to get caught up in having your email blocked any more. __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

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corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	upon request, CCBill can provide email validation before the completion of a signup, for credit card transactions or online checks imo, I recommend this feature for checks __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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webseth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 362	the logged IP address should be enough to give a collections team direction, with the exception of them defrauding you from proxies or public access points. - Seth

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EvilFubAr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 1,141	If the email receipt bounces why dont you refund that transaction yourself. You have to fight your own chargebacks so get to work.

07-23-2006, 12:37 PM	#8
pstation Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,135	Adding such a step seems like it would cause more problems than it would solve. It's going to deteur only the laziest of the laziest fraudsters since it's so simple to open up a free email account anywhere. In additonal, something like this might deteur legitimate signups since its another annoying step and the email will likely get delivered to the spam/bulk inbox or blocked outright due to the fact that the nature of the email is adult. One way that might work effectively would be to "flag" the account for manual review if just the email bounces.