Yeah, these students sure do look like they are being violent LOL

[Fletch XXX]

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."

fact is, pepper spray is supposed to be used by officers as protection, not spraying non violent passive protestors.

Anyone who believes the cops story that they were "surrounded and cut off from officers" is clearly blind.

look at the picture

[Fletch XXX]

my guess is since theres quite a few court cases on the books like this (cops spraying protestors and non resisting people) they will be sued and this police officer will ultimately cost tax payers millions in fees now.

http://www.shouselaw.com/pepperspray.html

thanks for protecting us officer, them big bad college students was gonna get us@! thank you!

[epitome]

I can't wait until the police defenders get to this thread.

[Fletch XXX]

not a single report of violence, and it was a week long protest.

“There was no way out of that circle,” she told the newspaper. “They were cutting the officers off from their support. It’s a very volatile situation.”

The videos, however, show officers freely moving about and show students behaving peacefully. The university reported no instances of violence by any protesters.

The listed phone number for Ms. Spicuzza indicated on Saturday that her voice mailbox was full.

The pepper spray incident took place at the end of a week of peaceful demonstrations on the U.C. Davis campus.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...vokes-outrage/

[stocktrader23]

You're working too hard man, the video was posted a couple of times today.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You're working too hard man, the video was posted a couple of times today.

sry was just reading an article and felt like making thread lol

chillin listening to music about to code a wp template design heheh

[Fletch XXX]

[oscer]

That pepper spray has the Dye In it also

[marlboroack]

There is nothing we can do to stand up to the police. They will only make us look crazy and take everything we have till we agree with them even though they are wrong.

[SuckOnThis]

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

not a single report of violence, and it was a week long protest.



http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...vokes-outrage/

Oh there was, it was just the cops whom were doing the violence. I can't wait to start seeing the lawsuits outta this kinda shit.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."

fact is, pepper spray is supposed to be used by officers as protection, not spraying non violent passive protestors.

Anyone who believes the cops story that they were "surrounded and cut off from officers" is clearly blind.

look at the picture

they need smarter cops obviously... non aggressive, cameras... stupidity in action for sure...

[Shotsie]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

they need smarter cops obviously... non aggressive, cameras... stupidity in action for sure...

Really, the worst part is how nonchalantly the guy goes about it, like he's watering flowers in his garden or something.

[rogueteens]

looks more like he is spraying a "marker" on them to me

[TheSquealer]

Students defiantly encircle the tents which they were asked by campus administration and security to remove:




Some students later agree to remove the tents





Others sit on the ground and continue to refuse to leave. Police warn the protesters that if they don't leave they will be pepper sprayed




Lieutenant John Pike holds a can of pepper spray in the air and announces that he will spray the students - giving everyone fair warning





Lieutenant John Pike walks up and down the line spraying students in the face




Students then get arrested as a result of their behavior



Then police back away and disperse.

Wow... crazy. People trespass, are asked to leave...refuse to leave, get warned that if they don't leave they will get sprayed and arrested, they refuse to leave, they get sprayed and arrested.

shocker.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Shotsie

Really, the worst part is how nonchalantly the guy goes about it, like he's watering flowers in his garden or something.

stupid is as stupid does... and now I'm thinking students for sure... cops told them what would happen. btw looks like a bunch of hairy girls for sure...

[gleem]

IF they were on public property and not harming anyone that's one thing.

They were on private property, trespassing, refusing to leave, the way the law works in this county... cops were on the right side of the law... distasteful? yes, legal? yes.

[2intense]

fucking stupid cops

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Wow... crazy. People trespass, are asked to leave...refuse to leave, get warned that if they don't leave they will get sprayed and arrested, they refuse to leave, they get sprayed and arrested.

shocker.

Whatever idiot. If the cops were taking guns out of the hands of teabagging nutjobs you'd be the first on here screaming about the 2nd amendment. Maybe you should consider moving to China or Iran, obviously your brain is wired more for those types of governments.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Whatever idiot. If the cops were taking guns out of the hands of teabagging nutjobs you'd be the first on here screaming about the 2nd amendment. Maybe you should consider moving to China or Iran, obviously your brain is wired more for those types of governments.

Haha.

I don't agree with the 2nd Amendment at all. I don't believe a gangster with a pistol under his car seat or a hillbilly with a rifle in his truck, constitutes a "well organized militia". Personally, I don't care if people own guns or not.

Back to the topic...

Let me know where i can send 100 shit disturbers to set up residence on your lawn. Don't think about asking them to leave, because you just don't have the right to do that in your world. If they refuse to leave, you'll have to find a new place to live,... what other option is there to remove trespassers from private property? Call the authorities? Thats absurd!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by gleem

IF they were on public property and not harming anyone that's one thing.

They were on private property, trespassing, refusing to leave, the way the law works in this county... cops were on the right side of the law... distasteful? yes, legal? yes.

kinda like attacking peaceful countries for their resources

yes

we know how law works

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Haha.

I don't agree with the 2nd Amendment at all. I don't believe a gangster with a pistol under his car seat or a hillbilly with a rifle in his truck, constitutes a "well organized militia". Personally, I don't care if people own guns or not.

Back to the topic...

Let me know where i can send 100 shit disturbers to set up residence on your lawn. Don't think about asking them to leave, because you just don't have the right to do that in your world. If they refuse to leave, you'll have to find a new place to live,... what other option is there to remove trespassers from private property? Call the authorities? Thats absurd!

This occurred at someones private residence? Link?

[porno jew]

every violent reaction by the pigs escalates this to it's logical conclusion, which is fine, because the system right now is ridiculous and offensive to those but the most dead souls right now anyway.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

This occurred at someones private residence? Link?

Private property is private property. Surely you won't mind if your own property was being used in this way and would have no complaints.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Private property is private property. Surely you won't mind if your own property was being used in this way and would have no complaints.

This was on a college campus where these students pay to be there and you're comparing it to someones front lawn? Are you fucking retarded?

[Babaganoosh]

First amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

This was on a college campus where these students pay to be there and you're comparing it to someones front lawn? Are you fucking retarded?

What makes you so sure it was students?

Further, paying to be there as a student, doesn't give you any particular "rights". You have to follow the rules and obey the administration of the campus. I swear, you people need to learn the meaning of the word "rights".

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

First amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

No such right has been violated.

If you want to peaceably assemble, you apply for the appropriate permits, you use the appropriate venues, you follow the law and you do your thing.

No worries.

The First Amendment does not give you the right to break the law and do what you wish in the name of "protesting against the government" and it doesn't mean that applicable laws suddenly cease to exist.

[D Ghost]

Totally, thanks to the the boys in blue for spraying those students, I was really afraid for my safety and others. LOL.

Yeah and clearly they were "circled in" since the one cop was able to step over the line of students in order to pepper spray them.

[porno jew]

it was a non-violent protest organized by a prof / faculty member. and they probably have a similar thing every month.

the issue here is the level of force response by the police. it is not about some crude basic interpretation on property rights.

if someone is sleeping on your lawn does not give you a right to shoot him in the head.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No such right has been violated.

Tell that to the people getting pepper sprayed in public places paid for with taxpayer money.

[BAKO]

Fuck the police.

[D Ghost]

Officers placed on leave: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...a-davis-police

Two University of California, Davis police officers involved in pepper spraying seated protesters are being placed on administrative leave as the chancellor of the school accelerates the investigation into the incident.

Chancellor Linda Katehi said she has been inundated with reaction over the incident, in which an officer dispassionately fired pepper spray on a line of sitting demonstrators.

Video of the incident was circulated widely on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter on Saturday, and the university's faculty association called on Katehi to resign, saying in a letter there had been a "gross failure of leadership".

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by porno jew

it was a non-violent protest organized by a prof / faculty member. and they probably have a similar thing every month.

the issue here is the level of force response by the police. it is not about some crude basic interpretation on property rights.

if someone is sleeping on your lawn does not give you a right to shoot him in the head.

No one got shot in the head though right?

There was no summary execution.

If someone is sleeping on your lawn, you ask them to leave.

When they refuse to leave, you call the police.

The police will ask them to leave and warn them of the consequences of not complying.

When they finally don't leave after that, they are forcibly removed.

Pretty basic stuff. Its not like the Campus Administration was cheering them on.. they wanted them out and tried to get them to leave and they refused.

[u-Bob]

I feel much safer now I know the cops are doing everything they can to keep us safe

[porno jew]

no it's about using the appropriate levels of force response, which the cops should have been trained in.

you would have to be on mars if one thinks shooting pepper spray down throats was an appropriate force response to someone sitting on a road.

but things have become so mean spirited and deranged in the US i guess some people just relish in sadism i guess.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No one got shot in the head though right?

There was no summary execution.

If someone is sleeping on your lawn, you ask them to leave.

When they refuse to leave, you call the police.

The police will ask them to leave and warn them of the consequences of not complying.

When they finally don't leave after that, they are forcibly removed.

Pretty basic stuff. Its not like the Campus Administration was cheering them on.. they wanted them out and tried to get them to leave and they refused.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by porno jew

no it's about using the appropriate levels of force response, which the cops should have been trained in.

you would have to be on mars if one thinks shooting pepper spray down throats was an appropriate force response to someone sitting on a road.

but things have become so mean spirited and deranged in the US i guess some people just relish in sadism i guess.

I'm not really for or against you. I get protesting, being angry, resenting authority and all of that. I certainly think we are long overdue for an overhaul of Washington and how power is accessed and abused there.

However, that aside, when you protest and break the rules, this is the outcome. Not just sometimes... this is what happens every time. How are police supposed to remove them when they won't be removed and refuse to leave?

What appropriate level of force is there when everyone is determined to resist and physically resisting?

They were warned many times. They were given the opportunity to leave. They were warned they would be sprayed. Some left, took down tents. Many chose to stay and hunkered down and locked arms in a show of defiance. They were repeatedly warned again. They were eventually sprayed and arrested.

I would say that any non lethal force after all of the precautions and warnings is justified.

The protesters all made the conscious choice to be sprayed with pepper spray. It's not like police were sneaking around doing it randomly.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by porno jew

but things have become so mean spirited and deranged in the US i guess some people just relish in sadism i guess.

Also, how is this different than at any other point in history? How should people be removed when they refuse and lock arms and resist? Methods today are certainly far kinder than in years past.

I prefer law and order. If people want change, there is a remedy for that through elections. IF that doesn't work, then OWS is clearly not in the 99% of opinion on the matters that are important in this. At the end of the day, Americans will side with law and order over chaos. Thats always been the case.

[Spunky]

Don't spray me bro

[porno jew]

i can't find it but i think's it's called "continuity of force?" was trained in it back in the day.

if someone is lying there you can pick them up, if they hit you you can hit them, if they try and kill you you can use any force necessary. it is used in courts as well.

to pepper spray people sitting there is off the charts and will not end well for the cops and administration.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i can't find it but i think's it's called "continuity of force?" was trained in it back in the day.

if someone is lying there you can pick them up, if they hit you you can hit them, if they try and kill you you can use any force necessary. it is used in courts as well.

to pepper spray people sitting there is off the charts and will not end well for the cops and administration.

This is where the "against" side twists things. No matter what happens, the protesters will resist. That's why they are there, sitting down with their arms locked. That's why they are refusing to comply with the administration of the campus and with the police. They have openly declared and are demonstrating that they will refuse to obey any lawful command by an officer as well as resist arrest (two additional illegal acts).

So, one can't make the argument that force won't be used. Proportionate will NEVER be an argument accepted by those against the police because the protesters cause the escalation of force used. Once it requires physical force to break people apart and take them down and cuff them, everyone is still going to talk about the brutality of the officers and how everyone was just sitting there minding their own business.

It's Lose/Lose for police no matter what the outcome is unless they refuse to do their jobs completely.




Again, i don't disagree with everyone's frustration or that they want to protest and all that. I personally feel its a little disingenuous to act shocked when the police do their jobs after countless warnings and giving everyone every opportunity to avoid it.

[porno jew]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...-put-on-leave/

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...20111121&fc=10

[cam_girls]

Originally Posted by porno jew

no it's about using the appropriate levels of force response, which the cops should have been trained in.

you would have to be on mars if one thinks shooting pepper spray down throats was an appropriate force response to someone sitting on a road.

but things have become so mean spirited and deranged in the US i guess some people just relish in sadism i guess.

what choice did the police have:

1 give the protesters squatting rights

There's 10,000 other students and lecturers etc. using the University too!

2 water cannon

3 TAZERS

4 by force with batons / guns

Looks brutal, but Capsicum is a moderate way to Quell situations with near Zero long term injuries

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by porno jew

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...-put-on-leave/

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...20111121&fc=10

You are arguing that unnecessary force was used. Now whether or not officers are on paid leave while an investigation is conducted... which is very standard.

What level of force is necessary? Clearly, they have to get physical with them and they will continue to resist. What level of force is necessary?

[ThunderBalls]

Right wingers notoriously love it when cops abuse people and will defend it to the bitter end. They love watching others suffer, whether its from dropping bombs, denying them medical care, or cops bashing someones head in. Misery certainly does love company.

[cam_girls]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Lieutenant John Pike holds a can of pepper spray in the air and announces that he will spray the students - giving everyone fair warning

Here's a free piece of advice!

If you see this happening you don't sit around!

You fucking BOLT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Right wingers notoriously love it when cops abuse people and will defend it to the bitter end. They love watching others suffer, whether its from dropping bombs, denying them medical care, or cops bashing someones head in. Misery certainly does love company.

Left wingers are notoriously irrational and illogical and respond with emotionally charged, rambling and irrational rants rather than a well reasoned, well defended argument.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Left wingers are notoriously irrational and illogical and respond with emotionally charged, rambling and irrational rants rather than a well reasoned, well defended argument.

Well reasoned and well defended argument

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Students defiantly encircle the tents which they were asked by campus administration and security to remove:




Some students later agree to remove the tents





Others sit on the ground and continue to refuse to leave. Police warn the protesters that if they don't leave they will be pepper sprayed




Lieutenant John Pike holds a can of pepper spray in the air and announces that he will spray the students - giving everyone fair warning





Lieutenant John Pike walks up and down the line spraying students in the face




Students then get arrested as a result of their behavior



Then police back away and disperse.

Wow... crazy. People trespass, are asked to leave...refuse to leave, get warned that if they don't leave they will get sprayed and arrested, they refuse to leave, they get sprayed and arrested.

shocker.

You are ruining the liberal narrative, you are making too much sense.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Right wingers notoriously love it when cops abuse people and will defend it to the bitter end. They love watching others suffer, whether its from dropping bombs, denying them medical care, or cops bashing someones head in. Misery certainly does love company.

Oh yea, we love Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler.. our National Socialist heroes.