Mobile billing for adult site access as an alternative billing method? Your thoughts? - GoFuckYourself.com

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 12:15 AM

Dialers are pretty much dead due to years of schemes and abuse. Password By Phone is a pretty good service but in general most have just died off.

Mobile commerce is growing by leaps and bounds and will continue to well into the future.

Although we're not going to be able to truly do it domestically (in the U.S.) for some time - there are many countries that this type payment system could work with that would bolster sales without cannibalizing credit card and check sales.

IMHO the timing reminds me of what it was like getting online in 96/97 ... it's ground floor.

I think it would just add to program owner's and webmaster's bottom line.

What do YOU think?

Jakke PNG · 08-24-2006, 12:18 AM

SMS is good for europe. Scandinavia especially.
Everyone has a phone, and people are a bit shy about using creditcards online (mainly because banks tell us not to).

WiredGuy · 08-24-2006, 12:45 AM

I think its great but after the telco's cut, there isn't much left to split with affiliates.
WG

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

SMS is good for europe. Scandinavia especially.
Everyone has a phone, and people are a bit shy about using creditcards online (mainly because banks tell us not to).

I think Scandinavian, EU and Asian countries too.

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I think its great but after the telco's cut, there isn't much left to split with affiliates.
WG

I think there's a bigger picture. Potentiel surfers from these countries that have been lost due to the death of dialers THAT ARE COMFORTABLE with mobile payment solutions would just be added revenue or FOUND money.

Maybe it would be less per signup BUT better less than NOTHING - dont you think?

Paul Markham · 08-24-2006, 01:03 AM

How would you stop them using their mobile to bill when they would of used their CC?

If you lose some of the CC sign ups to mobile you will lose more money than you gain.

TheSwed · 08-24-2006, 01:07 AM

It's a big market in Europe for that,here in Sweden we have a lot of this.You can already have recurring payments on things.

btw.see first line in my sig,streaming movies pay with sms.

studiocritic · 08-24-2006, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How would you stop them using their mobile to bill when they would of used their CC?

If you lose some of the CC sign ups to mobile you will lose more money than you gain.

Test, test, test.

A few thousand signups would be enough to get the info you need.

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How would you stop them using their mobile to bill when they would of used their CC?

If you lose some of the CC sign ups to mobile you will lose more money than you gain.

In most countries where this alternative method of billing is available CC's aren't the preferred payment method or widely used in the first place.

I doubt very highly that mobile billing would cannabilize CC or check transactions in the very least. I think what would happen is more people that never paid for porn would start to

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 01:19 AM

Here's the piece that got me thinking about it in the first place:

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FriendFinder.com Releases Mobile Payment System

PALO ALTO, Calif. ? Dating site operator FriendFinder.com has introduced a new mobile payment system for its members. The new billing method allows subscribers to be billed directly by cellphone operators in the U.S., Australia and many European countries.

Utilizing the Premium Short Message Service (PSMS) protocol, the new payment system was rolled out in the U.K. first for all FriendFinder.com programs. In the U.S., PSMS billing will be available for FriendFinder.com and Passion.com only, starting in September.

?We are turning on a PSMS billing system that enables members to buy special services or upgrade to a premium membership without using a credit card or other payment system,? FriendFinder.com Partner and Spokesman Legendary Lars said. ?Members can handle the entire transaction simply by entering their mobile phone number in a box on our billing page.?

Over the next few weeks, the service will be made available in Australia, Germany, Austria, France, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Korea, Taiwan and China.

Using the PSMS system, a billing confirmation message is sent to the member?s mobile phone. When the member replies to the confirmation alert the cost of the service they requested is charged to their cellular service provider, providing an alternative method of payment for people who prefer not to use a credit card.

Paying monthly membership dues is not the only feature that can be paid for using PSMS. Service upgrades that can be purchased with PSMS include placing a member at the top of buddy lists so that visitors can spot them quickly when browsing the site. Premium members also get personalized lists of suggested member contacts, a ?super search? tool to find people with specific profiles or body types, speedier photo and profile reviews and ICQ, AIM, YIM and MSN instant messaging. They also get access to the Cupid service highlighting new members with matching profiles.

?We are seeing very quickly that this is what people want,? Lars said. ?Immediately after putting the PSMS payment option provided by Vidicom.co.uk on the billing page of just one site, we received transaction requests that averaged $250 every 15 minutes. The best part is that we achieved this reaction without any advertising or marketing at all. We simply put a link on the bottom of our payment page and let the surfer pick the transaction method.?

Granted this company that provides the mobile billing solution for AFF isn't dealing with "Joe Blow program operator" doing 20 joins per day ... it's not worth their time BUT ... THE RACE IS ON!!!

It's happening and going to grow!

JOKER · 08-24-2006, 01:36 AM

It's an good alternative for the right business model.

Problem is, many carriers have problems with adult-related transactions and subscriptions...

If used right, it does increase your bottomline

theharvman · 08-24-2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I think its great but after the telco's cut, there isn't much left to split with affiliates.
WG

That is simple enough to solve just add the telco percentage in to the pruchase Price and pass it on to the end user. IT WORKS I should know! Then their is plenty left and PSMS users expect to pay more to use their phone as a payment method!

theharvman · 08-24-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

In most countries where this alternative method of billing is available CC's aren't the preferred payment method or widely used in the first place.

I doubt very highly that mobile billing would cannabilize CC or check transactions in the very least. I think what would happen is more people that never paid for porn would start to

Adding in the Telco Percentage to the price of the purchase usually doens the trick a 25% increase in prics makes CC or Check user shy away while PSMS users expect to pay more and do. While I was at Adult Friend Finder they ran Mobile billing A/B tests and now have proven that PSMS does not cannabilize CC or check. There is proof positive from the biggest in the Biz!

theharvman · 08-24-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

It's an good alternative for the right business model.

Problem is, many carriers have problems with adult-related transactions and subscriptions...

If used right, it does increase your bottomline

That is true but we at chagemymobile.com are now approved with over 50 carriers for Adult.

polle54 · 08-24-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

It's a big market in Europe for that,here in Sweden we have a lot of this.You can already have recurring payments on things.

btw.see first line in my sig,streaming movies pay with sms.

hit me up mate
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theharvman · 08-24-2006, 09:03 AM

Here is our latest Release From Xbiz:

SAN DIEGO ? Mobile adult veteran Harvey Kaplan has been named CEO of startup ChargeMyMobile, a proprietary mobile billing platform that allows consumers to pay for web content on their mobile phones.
While ChargeMyMobile is owned by the U.K.-based Vidicom Ltd., Kaplan will be working out of the company?s new San Diego offices.

Prior to joining ChargeMyMobile, Kaplan helmed Xobile, AEBN?s mobile division, and most recently ran mobile operations for FriendFinder.

?ChargeMyMobile provides a clear and easy path for increased revenue in an untapped market for webmasters and payment processors,? Kaplan said. ?We are very encouraged by the enthusiastic reception we are getting for the program even before we have officially announced its availability.?

ChargeMyMobile is an alternative form of payment that uses mobile phones like credit cards. The product is offered to website operators in addition to current billing solutions.

It works when a surfer enters their mobile phone number using an interface the company provides on the website, and clicks the submit button. ChargeMyMobile sends the user a text message confirming their order, and the user replies to start the billing process. The subscriber is then sent a unique PIN code to gain access to the site.

?We are delighted that Harvey will be representing our company in the U.S. with ChargeMyMobile,? Vidicom?s Glyn Smith said. ?We have worked with him on assignments over the past two years and found his knowledge and contacts in the industry to be invaluable.?

The benefit of using ChargeMyMobile is twofold, Smith said. There are no chargebacks, eliminating the hassle of costly credit card processing, and the user can subscribe to adult sites anonymously through the use of a PIN code provided by the mobile billing company. This eliminates the user having to enter their credit card number on adult sites.

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 09:40 AM

Hahahahaha!

That's pretty good timing Harvey!

Congratz, my friend

Give me a call today and let's catch up, please!

theharvman · 08-24-2006, 10:32 AM

No Problem J$ I will buzz ya in an hour..

JOKER · 08-24-2006, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theharvman

That is true but we at chagemymobile.com are now approved with over 50 carriers for Adult.

Sounds good.

Would you mind sending me a list of countries and carriers that you are approved with, I'm always looking for new mobile billers and solutions for my clients. joker AT jokerempire DOT info

Thanx,
Steve

P.S.: Your button in your signature is missing the .com in the link.

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

No Problem J$ I will buzz ya in an hour..

Thanks, Harvey!

It was a pleasure speaking with you as always, brotha.

Pretty cool stuff!

theharvman · 08-24-2006, 01:50 PM

Always good talking to you too!

theharvman · 08-24-2006, 03:41 PM

Bump for a good cause... $$$$

loxapinedreams · 08-24-2006, 03:48 PM

this is what phillip ercisson envisioned when they invented bluetooth cell phones..

its late a night.. you get off the train in another country.. no local cash ...and you need smokes?
just walk up to the vending machine.. bluetooth the machine.. money removed from your account.. and bingo... you got smokes.

its great concept.. and it should do wonders to alot of markets

i guess excluding the escort market.. most wives eyeball the monthly cellphone bill

webgurl · 08-24-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

Always good talking to you too!

Hey Harvman , do you have any references of any major
programs using your services ?
Thanks

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by webgurl

Hey Harvman , do you have any references of any major
programs using your services ?
Thanks

Look at post #10 in this thread

Talk about a MAJOR PROGRAM!

If I'm not mistaken ... after an extensive conversation - Harvey has the exclusive on the backend technology that drives ChargeMyMobile.com.

AFF might not be HIS client but it's in essence the same service if I understand correctly

Libertine · 08-24-2006, 04:22 PM

GREAT system. It allows the adult industry to capitalize on a completely new demographic: 12-18 year old boys who have mobile phones but no creditcards.

JOKER · 08-24-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine

GREAT system. It allows the adult industry to capitalize on a completely new demographic: 12-18 year old boys who have mobile phones but no creditcards.

In some countries this might be a *possible* case... but don't worry, more and more countries require you to opt-in to Adult-related services to be able to use these shortcodes labeled as adult. This will probably be the future for those countries and carriers that will not block adult at all.

It's basicly good for us, as this protects minors and spares us the chargebacks and bitching when the parents find out.

webgurl · 08-24-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Look at post #10 in this thread

Talk about a MAJOR PROGRAM!

If I'm not mistaken ... after an extensive conversation - Harvey has the exclusive on the backend technology that drives ChargeMyMobile.com.

AFF might not be HIS client but it's in essence the same service if I understand correctly

okay how did i totally miss that LOL !! i never look at in between posts
j/k

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

okay how did i totally miss that LOL !! i never look at in between posts
j/k

J$tyle$ · 08-24-2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

In some countries this might be a *possible* case... but don't worry, more and more countries require you to opt-in to Adult-related services to be able to use these shortcodes labeled as adult. This will probably be the future for those countries and carriers that will not block adult at all.

It's basicly good for us, as this protects minors and spares us the chargebacks and bitching when the parents find out.

BING FUCKING O

I think there is a HUGE opportunity here.

Looking for my angle

J$tyle$ · 08-25-2006, 12:25 AM

Anyone else have an opinion?

TheJimmy · 08-25-2006, 12:33 AM

Speaking with a few eastern euro developers about 2 years ago...they told me SMS is pretty huge over there. I'd have to agree with you that this is definitely an emerging source to consider tapping in the near future.

I'm not shocked that AFF is already ontop of that action. They're definitely some progressive proactive mofos!

betabomb · 08-25-2006, 12:36 AM

show me the money

J$tyle$ · 08-25-2006, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

Speaking with a few eastern euro developers about 2 years ago...they told me SMS is pretty huge over there. I'd have to agree with you that this is definitely an emerging source to consider tapping in the near future.

I'm not shocked that AFF is already ontop of that action. They're definitely some progressive proactive mofos!

J$tyle$ · 08-25-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How would you stop them using their mobile to bill when they would of used their CC?

If you lose some of the CC sign ups to mobile you will lose more money than you gain.

I've been corrected

Quote:

Originally Posted by theharvman

Adding in the Telco Percentage to the price of the purchase usually doens the trick a 25% increase in prics makes CC or Check user shy away while PSMS users expect to pay more and do. While I was at Adult Friend Finder they ran Mobile billing A/B tests and now have proven that PSMS does not cannabilize CC or check. There is proof positive from the biggest in the Biz!

Jamie · 08-25-2006, 07:03 PM

Who else is offering this service besides chargemymobile?
Are there any EU companies doing it?

J$tyle$ · 08-25-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie

Who else is offering this service besides chargemymobile?
Are there any EU companies doing it?

ChargeMyMobile.com is using the backend supplied by vidicom, a UK company.

It is my understanding that they have the exclusive contract to offer these services.

There are a ton of companies offering "sms billing" but none that i know of that offer the opportunity to charge FULL MEMBERSHIP PRICES (plus a premium for the carrier/cmm fees), with RECURRING and NO CHARGEBACKS

This is in mostly EU/Asian/Scandinavian and other countries .. not for US based surfers,

08-24-2006, 12:18 AM	#2
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08-24-2006, 12:15 AM	#1
J$tyle$ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 11,500	Mobile billing for adult site access as an alternative billing method? Your thoughts? Dialers are pretty much dead due to years of schemes and abuse. Password By Phone is a pretty good service but in general most have just died off. Mobile commerce is growing by leaps and bounds and will continue to well into the future. Although we're not going to be able to truly do it domestically (in the U.S.) for some time - there are many countries that this type payment system could work with that would bolster sales without cannibalizing credit card and check sales. IMHO the timing reminds me of what it was like getting online in 96/97 ... it's ground floor. I think it would just add to program owner's and webmaster's bottom line. What do YOU think?

08-24-2006, 09:03 AM	#16
theharvman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,366	Here is our latest Release From Xbiz: SAN DIEGO ? Mobile adult veteran Harvey Kaplan has been named CEO of startup ChargeMyMobile, a proprietary mobile billing platform that allows consumers to pay for web content on their mobile phones. While ChargeMyMobile is owned by the U.K.-based Vidicom Ltd., Kaplan will be working out of the company?s new San Diego offices. Prior to joining ChargeMyMobile, Kaplan helmed Xobile, AEBN?s mobile division, and most recently ran mobile operations for FriendFinder. ?ChargeMyMobile provides a clear and easy path for increased revenue in an untapped market for webmasters and payment processors,? Kaplan said. ?We are very encouraged by the enthusiastic reception we are getting for the program even before we have officially announced its availability.? ChargeMyMobile is an alternative form of payment that uses mobile phones like credit cards. The product is offered to website operators in addition to current billing solutions. It works when a surfer enters their mobile phone number using an interface the company provides on the website, and clicks the submit button. ChargeMyMobile sends the user a text message confirming their order, and the user replies to start the billing process. The subscriber is then sent a unique PIN code to gain access to the site. ?We are delighted that Harvey will be representing our company in the U.S. with ChargeMyMobile,? Vidicom?s Glyn Smith said. ?We have worked with him on assignments over the past two years and found his knowledge and contacts in the industry to be invaluable.? The benefit of using ChargeMyMobile is twofold, Smith said. There are no chargebacks, eliminating the hassle of costly credit card processing, and the user can subscribe to adult sites anonymously through the use of a PIN code provided by the mobile billing company. This eliminates the user having to enter their credit card number on adult sites. __________________ Email:[email protected] Site: http://TheScreamingO.com Program: http://http://www.idevaffiliate.com Skype: theharvman ICQ: 150092593

08-24-2006, 09:40 AM	#17
J$tyle$ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 11,500	Hahahahaha! That's pretty good timing Harvey! Congratz, my friend Give me a call today and let's catch up, please!

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TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	Speaking with a few eastern euro developers about 2 years ago...they told me SMS is pretty huge over there. I'd have to agree with you that this is definitely an emerging source to consider tapping in the near future. I'm not shocked that AFF is already ontop of that action. They're definitely some progressive proactive mofos! __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

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