Found another cheating ccbill program - GoFuckYourself.com

rowan · 08-30-2006, 05:29 AM

No surprise really, they changed NATs (and billers) several months ago and by default fucked over webmasters with existing ccbill links. Disabling any future ccbill rebills was just an extra kick in the teeth.

That's assuming they were not forcibly terminated by ccbill, of course.

studiocritic · 08-30-2006, 07:16 AM

I thought we already played this game and determined that "zero" meant indefinite?

CCBill?

Napolean · 08-30-2006, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studiocritic

I thought we already played this game and determined that "zero" meant indefinite?

CCBill?

correct

studiocritic · 08-30-2006, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napolean

correct

so, fake drama

justsexxx · 08-30-2006, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napolean

correct

Nope....99rebills is unlimited...ZERO means 0 nothing nada

Andre

Pete-KT · 08-30-2006, 07:44 AM

Fake Drama

Gnus · 08-30-2006, 07:44 AM

Yep I have the same thing here rowan. Looks like it's time to remove some links.

Zarathustra · 08-30-2006, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studiocritic

I thought we already played this game and determined that "zero" meant indefinite?

CCBill?

"(Unlimited) rebills" means unlimited
"(Zero) rebills" means 0

L0rdJuni0r · 08-30-2006, 07:51 AM

cheaters suck..........

rowan · 08-30-2006, 07:55 AM

No fake drama. A legit sponsor will show this:

Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills

Exclusively4Affiliates shows this:

Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

Zero rebills means you're paid on the initial signup only.

Gnus · 08-30-2006, 08:29 AM

Here's some more I have found. Doing the same thing

Sexypayouts.com
Yotone.com
Tomaparadise.com

studiocritic · 08-30-2006, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

No fake drama. A legit sponsor will show this:

Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills

Exclusively4Affiliates shows this:

Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

Zero rebills means you're paid on the initial signup only.

Looks like you're right. I don't promote programs that don't cascade.

The Ghost · 08-30-2006, 09:25 AM

Does it say in their terms that they don't pay rebills on revshare? Amazed that programs (if it's true) still do these type of things.

DutchTeenCash · 08-30-2006, 09:43 AM

zero means zero

you wont get paid for rebills if youre promoting them - a prg id never signup for

period

tenderobject · 08-30-2006, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

Here's some more I have found. Doing the same thing

Sexypayouts.com
Yotone.com
Tomaparadise.com

hmm thats fucked. yotone is one of my sponsors. i have to check my sponsors then . thanks man.

mikeyddddd · 08-30-2006, 01:23 PM

I emailed Exclusively4Affiliates to respond.

It looks like a Nats account was created from the CCBill info.

PORNPAYOUTS · 08-30-2006, 01:25 PM

Click my sig... before all the drama about EXCLUSIVELY4AFFILIATES begins...

Digipimp · 08-30-2006, 01:25 PM

did you know that probably 3/4's sponsors cheat you somehow, so its not really news

mikeyddddd · 08-30-2006, 01:43 PM

Someone should be here shortly to explain things. They rebill through NATS.

If you don't promote Exclusively4Affiliates click here.

RyanL · 08-30-2006, 01:44 PM

I see rebills from exclusively4affiliates in both nats and in my old ccbill stats.

mikeyddddd · 08-30-2006, 01:52 PM

PlugRush Sascha · 08-30-2006, 02:00 PM

I've never had any issues with rebills on E4A even after the switch to NATS. I got an e-mail when they switched to NATS, so it wasn't any secret that they switched and the CCBILL links went through NATS and I've gotten signups this way with them.

andrej_NDC · 08-30-2006, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAA Ryan

I see rebills from exclusively4affiliates in both nats and in my old ccbill stats.

Yes, it affects only new sales and their rebills, but since they switched to NATS, they dont want new sales through the old ccbill link codes anymore probably(do they still allow affiliates to sign-up for a "ccbill only" program?). So the rebills for ccbill sales before NATS are not affected at all.

Yotone · 08-30-2006, 02:03 PM

yo yo yo! i never set anything to zero!!! im checking right now whats the deal.

Yotone · 08-30-2006, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

Here's some more I have found. Doing the same thing

Sexypayouts.com
Yotone.com
Tomaparadise.com

ok, so i check immediatly as well as called ccbill and all is correct...

unlimited rebills for all affiliates for life.

do tell me what you have found. and if you are mistaken i expect a retract of your statement.

Mark_E4A · 08-30-2006, 02:29 PM

To clear this up real quick

A) The old ccbill account WERE added into our nats system and ALL affiliates were emailed about this.

B) The old ccbill link codes STILL to this day will work (they all get redirected through YOUR nats code and you still get the credit.)
click your old ccbill link then look in your nats admin and you will see the hit
(for those who dont read sponsors emails and didnt see this email months ago please hit me up and I will get you your login info)

C) When the rebills ect.. were set to 0 (in ccbill) there were no past rebilling memberships left (through ccbill ) as this was a cpl months after we had nats running ( NATS is calculating ALL the rebills from all the billers).

Yotone · 08-30-2006, 02:37 PM

ok something is funky after all here, im with ccbill right now trying to figure it out.

fyi, i would NEVER have set zero rebills, ever.

Mark_E4A · 08-30-2006, 02:44 PM

ALL the rebills go through nats and ARE calculated.
not through the billers

Gnus · 08-30-2006, 03:00 PM

Yotone I have a screenshot for ya.

Gary

Yotone · 08-30-2006, 03:04 PM

well, it seems to be fixed now, i dont know how, when or why it was ever changed but seems it was just a few older accounts.

thanks for brining it to my attention. i dont know what else to say about it but all should be fixed now. if not, let me know.

Gnus · 08-30-2006, 03:08 PM

Yotone, Yes it is fixed and yes it was an older account. Would of never discovered it if it wasn't for this thread. Figured better check them all.

Gary

FilthyRob · 08-30-2006, 03:09 PM

Seems to be a dilema. How do you find out your ccbill account number and how to access the ccbill stats if your signed up through the nats program? I have an older original e4a ccbill account, but I don't think that's the one connected to my Nats account.

Dirty Dane · 08-30-2006, 03:14 PM

I was told by CCBill that (zero) means unlimited.

RogerV · 08-30-2006, 03:19 PM

We pay on rebills forever

TheSwed · 08-30-2006, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

To clear this up real quick

C) When the rebills ect.. were set to 0 (in ccbill) there were no past rebilling memberships left (through ccbill ) as this was a cpl months after we had nats running ( NATS is calculating ALL the rebills from all the billers).

So why set to 0?
if there was no more rebilling

Lykos · 08-30-2006, 03:23 PM

scammers...

TheSwed · 08-30-2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykos

scammers...

agree

andrej_NDC · 08-30-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I was told by CCBill that (zero) means unlimited.

I will give you zero dollars, enjoy.

rankscom · 08-30-2006, 04:31 PM

"Exclusively4..." seem legit to me! We've used them for quite a while now, and always gotten proper rebills from what I see. Now that they use Nats, those cc bill account settings don't apply anymore.

Sometimes things aren't always what they seem...

rabbit · 08-30-2006, 04:43 PM

a ton of sponsors kill old links when they change programs,but e4a ones work, which is great. mark's a good guy, i'll trust him on this one.

Rep · 08-30-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

We pay on rebills forever

Classy

78

pocketkangaroo · 08-30-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenderobject

hmm thats fucked. yotone is one of my sponsors. i have to check my sponsors then . thanks man.

Shit, me too. Some very old sites too that still pull in a few sales a month, but still.

georgeyw · 08-30-2006, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

No surprise really, they changed NATs (and billers) several months ago and by default fucked over webmasters with existing ccbill links. Disabling any future ccbill rebills was just an extra kick in the teeth.

That's assuming they were not forcibly terminated by ccbill, of course.

stop speaking out of your arse! They emailled us all letting us know that existing ccbill links coulld be left as they will be redirected to our NATS code.

Mark is a good guy - how about speaking to him first before spouting bullshit like this.

Mark_E4A · 08-30-2006, 06:15 PM

Rowan
I would like to thank you for making this thread, it is a real eye opener.

I just spoke with ccbill and nothing was effected by the 0 on rebills ( as they are all going through NATS )

However, I also found out this:
because i only set the rebill to 0 and not the initial sale, you or any affiliate were paid not only by me ( E4A ) but also paid by ccbill for the same sale.

Again, thanks for making this clear to me

georgeyw · 08-30-2006, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

Rowan
I would like to thank you for making this thread, it is a real eye opener.

I just spoke with ccbill and nothing was effected by the 0 on rebills ( as they are all going through NATS )

However, I also found out this:
because i only set the rebill to 0 and not the initial sale, you or any affiliate were paid not only by me ( E4A ) but also paid by ccbill for the same sale.

Again, thanks for making this clear to me

damn so no more 100% payouts

first time an affiliate has been able to shave a sponsor

Kenny B! · 08-30-2006, 06:47 PM

Well looks like no more 100% payouts, thanks for ruining it for the rest of us lol.
Mark is an honest guy, he wouldn't cheat affiliates

pornguy · 08-30-2006, 06:50 PM

I am promoting them, just started actuallu. With nats link codes. So far, no good, but I am hopeful.

georgeyw · 08-30-2006, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Well looks like no more 100% payouts, thanks for ruining it for the rest of us lol.
Mark is an honest guy, he wouldn't cheat affiliates

yes indeed - would be nice if there were more program owners like him!

Solid Bob · 08-30-2006, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

Rowan
I would like to thank you for making this thread, it is a real eye opener.

I just spoke with ccbill and nothing was effected by the 0 on rebills ( as they are all going through NATS )

However, I also found out this:
because i only set the rebill to 0 and not the initial sale, you or any affiliate were paid not only by me ( E4A ) but also paid by ccbill for the same sale.

Again, thanks for making this clear to me

E$_manager · 08-30-2006, 06:57 PM

THanks for making it clear to everyone.

08-30-2006, 05:29 AM	#1
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Found another cheating ccbill program No surprise really, they changed NATs (and billers) several months ago and by default fucked over webmasters with existing ccbill links. Disabling any future ccbill rebills was just an extra kick in the teeth. That's assuming they were not forcibly terminated by ccbill, of course.

08-30-2006, 07:16 AM	#2
studiocritic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 2,442	I thought we already played this game and determined that "zero" meant indefinite? CCBill? __________________ 254342256

08-30-2006, 07:51 AM	#9
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08-30-2006, 09:25 AM	#13
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08-30-2006, 09:43 AM	#14
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08-30-2006, 07:44 AM	#6
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08-30-2006, 07:44 AM	#7
Gnus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 577	Yep I have the same thing here rowan. Looks like it's time to remove some links.

08-30-2006, 07:55 AM	#10
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	No fake drama. A legit sponsor will show this: Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills Exclusively4Affiliates shows this: Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills Zero rebills means you're paid on the initial signup only.

08-30-2006, 08:29 AM	#11
Gnus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 577	Here's some more I have found. Doing the same thing Sexypayouts.com Yotone.com Tomaparadise.com

08-30-2006, 01:23 PM	#16
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08-30-2006, 01:25 PM	#17
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08-30-2006, 01:25 PM	#18
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08-30-2006, 01:43 PM	#19
mikeyddddd Viva la vulva! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself Posts: 16,557	Someone should be here shortly to explain things. They rebill through NATS. If you don't promote Exclusively4Affiliates click here. __________________ AdultStarProfits AmbyaCash AnilosCash AzianiGold ColdHardCash FlashTheMoney IdolBucks MediumPimpin NSCash Nubiles PussyCash ScoreCash Sextronix SpunkyCash TubeTitans Twistys

08-30-2006, 01:44 PM	#20
RyanL Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,145	I see rebills from exclusively4affiliates in both nats and in my old ccbill stats. __________________ ICQ: #126013016 :: Amateur Index Last edited by RyanL; 08-30-2006 at 01:45 PM..

08-30-2006, 01:52 PM	#21
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08-30-2006, 02:00 PM	#22
PlugRush Sascha Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 2,772	I've never had any issues with rebills on E4A even after the switch to NATS. I got an e-mail when they switched to NATS, so it wasn't any secret that they switched and the CCBILL links went through NATS and I've gotten signups this way with them. __________________ Plugrush - Push ads, native ads, banners & pops. Buy & sell adult and mainstream traffic. Skype plugrushsascha

08-30-2006, 02:03 PM	#24
Yotone Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: usa Posts: 32	yo yo yo! i never set anything to zero!!! im checking right now whats the deal. __________________ Sell My Sites!

08-30-2006, 02:29 PM	#26
Mark_E4A Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: pornSEO.com - Toronto Posts: 1,514	To clear this up real quick A) The old ccbill account WERE added into our nats system and ALL affiliates were emailed about this. B) The old ccbill link codes STILL to this day will work (they all get redirected through YOUR nats code and you still get the credit.) click your old ccbill link then look in your nats admin and you will see the hit (for those who dont read sponsors emails and didnt see this email months ago please hit me up and I will get you your login info) C) When the rebills ect.. were set to 0 (in ccbill) there were no past rebilling memberships left (through ccbill ) as this was a cpl months after we had nats running ( NATS is calculating ALL the rebills from all the billers). __________________ icq - 205700725 email - marke4a at gmail com phone - 416-809-4393

08-30-2006, 02:37 PM	#27
Yotone Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: usa Posts: 32	ok something is funky after all here, im with ccbill right now trying to figure it out. fyi, i would NEVER have set zero rebills, ever. __________________ Sell My Sites!

08-30-2006, 02:44 PM	#28
Mark_E4A Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: pornSEO.com - Toronto Posts: 1,514	ALL the rebills go through nats and ARE calculated. not through the billers __________________ icq - 205700725 email - marke4a at gmail com phone - 416-809-4393

08-30-2006, 03:00 PM	#29
Gnus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 577	Yotone I have a screenshot for ya. Gary

08-30-2006, 03:04 PM	#30
Yotone Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: usa Posts: 32	well, it seems to be fixed now, i dont know how, when or why it was ever changed but seems it was just a few older accounts. thanks for brining it to my attention. i dont know what else to say about it but all should be fixed now. if not, let me know. __________________ Sell My Sites!

08-30-2006, 03:08 PM	#31
Gnus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 577	Yotone, Yes it is fixed and yes it was an older account. Would of never discovered it if it wasn't for this thread. Figured better check them all. Gary

08-30-2006, 03:09 PM	#32
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	Seems to be a dilema. How do you find out your ccbill account number and how to access the ccbill stats if your signed up through the nats program? I have an older original e4a ccbill account, but I don't think that's the one connected to my Nats account. __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

08-30-2006, 03:14 PM	#33
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	I was told by CCBill that (zero) means unlimited.

08-30-2006, 03:19 PM	#34
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	We pay on rebills forever

08-30-2006, 03:23 PM	#36
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,027	scammers... __________________

08-30-2006, 04:31 PM	#39
rankscom Rick Moby Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 433	"Exclusively4..." seem legit to me! We've used them for quite a while now, and always gotten proper rebills from what I see. Now that they use Nats, those cc bill account settings don't apply anymore. Sometimes things aren't always what they seem... __________________ MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.

08-30-2006, 04:43 PM	#40
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08-30-2006, 06:15 PM	#44
Mark_E4A Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: pornSEO.com - Toronto Posts: 1,514	Rowan I would like to thank you for making this thread, it is a real eye opener. I just spoke with ccbill and nothing was effected by the 0 on rebills ( as they are all going through NATS ) However, I also found out this: because i only set the rebill to 0 and not the initial sale, you or any affiliate were paid not only by me ( E4A ) but also paid by ccbill for the same sale. Again, thanks for making this clear to me __________________ icq - 205700725 email - marke4a at gmail com phone - 416-809-4393

08-30-2006, 06:47 PM	#46
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08-30-2006, 06:50 PM	#47
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08-30-2006, 06:57 PM	#50
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