Ambush Interview #99 12clicks - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 09-13-2006, 01:22 PM

100clicks

Mojo · 09-13-2006, 01:22 PM

>>>>>
I know he's got modf on his team. Moof is quite the asset from what I know of it.
>>>>

ModF is quite the man asset. (If you know what I mean...

)

Dirty F · 09-13-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'll take this question out of turn since a hater was brave enough to post in this thread.

Why do cheaters always refer to themselves as "affiliates"
sending fraudulent traffic or traffic that is not allowed does not make you an affiliate, it makes you a cheater.
In the days when we were kings of adult pay per click, we were light years ahead of other programs when it came to fraud. Mojo actually flew to goto.com (now overture.com for you young ones) offices and gave them a talk on how we detected fraud. It was an eye opener for them and one of the reasons we were able to do big business with them.
Anyway, you'd have these guys beating programs left and right and along we came with our good looks and higher payouts. ALL the cheaters came over for the high payouts. We identified them and pointed their traffic at an identical looking page but with only PPS sponsors so as not to hurt our buyers. We then just let them run the counter up imagining they were getting paid. We saw it as our duty to clean up the industry since we had the ability.
Well, imagine the squealing that went on when these guys were outed as thieves. Here many of them were, pillars of their little online communities, outed for what they really were.

I made many many enemies for that and some of them you still see today (all under new names and swearing they never knew me before last week but badmouthing me all the same)

Then you have people like frank who wanted to collect the highest rates in the industry but didn't want to follow the rules. His argument today is that we changed our rules all the time to create cheaters out of honest webmasters. Its a simple matter to disprove this lie by looking up the programs in the wayback machine and seeing that in the long life of these programs the terms changed maybe, one, twice tops.
We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.

but you know, the franks of the world are always right. There's so much money to be made chasing honest webmasters out of the system.

Hah, good to see my question got your attention and you answered it before all the other ones (almost).

And it's Franck, not Frank.

StuartD · 09-13-2006, 01:27 PM

Is it true that ModF's goatee tickles?

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 01:28 PM

This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well.
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG

its worth the click.

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 01:28 PM

double post

CDSmith · 09-13-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo

ModF is quite the man asset. (If you know what I mean...

)

So you like em skinny eh? Interesting.

Now I know why you guys have never offered to bring me on board. :D

RAM · 09-13-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

double post

Double post Double Click

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Nice.

12Clicks has always been a star in my eyes.

Mojo too.

queer.

machinegunkelly · 09-13-2006, 01:34 PM

Great thread :D
Always enjoy 12clicks posts ;) this is awesome

BradShaw · 09-13-2006, 01:41 PM

Going to be a great read!

lulu36 · 09-13-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

"dodged another bullet, eh fag? One day you're going to get a bad case of botulism"

lmao. nice!

Shok · 09-13-2006, 01:46 PM

Ron and I have banged dead hookers together.

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

6. Have you ever terminated someone from one of your programs just cause you didn't like them? discuss

oh sure. We'd get noobs who would send nasty emails because they didn't know how to put our link on their page (ctl+c, ctl+v)

or they would find one of our affiliate managers on icq or phone and start ripping them a new asshole. I'd take over and say the following,"ok, I just fixed the problem for you" right after I killed their account.

Then there was the memorable confrontation with Shap back when we were both younger and a little quicker to anger. He was in one of our programs, maybe blindlinks and making good money. He starts just hammering me on the boards maybe for arguing with one of his friends, I honestly don't remember. Anyway, he's just relentless and I'm like, "WTF? I'm your meal ticket" I told my people to go over his account and make sure he wasn't breaking any rules. Sure enough, he was opening us in a new window. (strictly forbidden) So now I come back with some "fuck yous" of my own, post his page and post our terms and cancelled his account. It was ugly and I'm sure we both look back and wished we hadn't done it. We both went on to bigger and better things so no biggie.

RRRED · 09-13-2006, 01:59 PM

Hehe.. here you whiny little bitch.

I have got to photoshop that other one

tranza · 09-13-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

oh sure.

Finally you admited being a scammer.

That's how I got scammed for the first and only time in this business. I had just started and after a couple of months I had reached the minimum payout. Two months after that, I still hadn't received my check so I wrote an e-mail and got a bs reply saying that my address looked suspicious so they didn't e-mail me the check, but promissed to do it. A month after that I still hadn't received my check. So I e-mailed them again and 12clicks pretty much told me to stop sending traffic because I was "not worth the trouble", and that he was going to send me a check with the total I ever made with Mojo Search.

2 months after I talked to the scammer I still didn't have my checks and I posted on a couple major boards (including this one). 12clicks started some bs threads saying that I didn't knew my address and that the checks were returned to them or something.

I hope the newbies around here are reading this and NEVER send any traffic to this scammer. I've seen quite a lot of people complaining about not breaking any rules and never getting paid.

The worst part is that the minimum payout was around $25 or something, so he's a small time thief, nothing else.

He doesn't even deny it.

Dirty F · 09-13-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

The worst part is that the minimum payout was around $25 or something, so he's a small time thief, nothing else.

That looks small time but with the amount of people he did this to its not really small time anymore.

tradermcduck · 09-13-2006, 02:20 PM

wow this thread brings back memories...

StandardInternet was one of my first sponsors

tranza · 09-13-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

That looks small time but with the amount of people he did this to its not really small time anymore.

You think I don't know that?

The first time I posted on GFY about not getting paid by these scammers I got at least 15 people saying the exact same thing.

Anthony · 09-13-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

queer.

I am what I am.

You and Mojo bent over backwards to help me out when I started, I"ll never forget that.

Ron is a pioneer, and I am glad to see him get his due.

Knee in the nuts from me later this year.

Paul · 09-13-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tradermcduck

StandardInternet was one of my first sponsors

Mine too

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

With all the 12clicks haters out there this one could go more pages than all the others.

the haters usually come out at night (after their real job during the day is over)
there really are far fewer haters out there. Scammers and dopes tend not to hang around. look at tranza, he's got to pretend that some day long ago he had 15 people agreeing with him.

Mojo · 09-13-2006, 02:33 PM

>>>
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG
>>>

I remember this.

I knew he'd win so when I called up the trophy place I said "Go down to your basement and find the biggest, ugliest trophy you can. I want the one that is so ridiculous you're ashamed to sell it to anyone."

And there it is. And I never won it back from the bastard in the last 7 years.

CDSmith · 09-13-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well.
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG

its worth the click.

I would so... so.... SO kick your ass at bubble hockey.

But you hang on to that trophy for me, k? Thanks man. :D

axelcat · 09-13-2006, 02:45 PM

I love these interviews

Loryn · 09-13-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RAM

Not only what will he wear but will he take me as his date ????????

Oh NO back off Rammy he is ALLLLLLL mine! grrr

Great Interview Sleazy! I love reading all of 12Clicks posts. He is my big sexy beast!

I love ya Ron and I can't wait to read this whole thread.

I love your dinners as well and hope to attend them again when you get your ass back in the game. The first dinner I attended I felt the Mojo that night LOL Even kicked ass at the craps table! Can't wait to see you again!

Ron + Loryn + Grey Goose Vodka Martini's =

Here is a pic of my sexy beast with two of my favorite girls!

I hear that Mojo likes his dessert fed to him by tall blondes, is this true?

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

7. How many cheaters do you think there are really out there?

far far fewer than there used to be, thats for sure. When pay per click died in adult, the cheaters died with it. Ok, so a lot of them jumped into adwords now.

During blindlinks/rawlikesushi days, I could come in, look over the new signups that came in overnight and term 10, 15 accounts right away. It was just amazing. And then to see them get better.
We're talking a time when most programs still didn't record ips for the clicks. Cheaters would just set up a hitbot and collect checks. These guys were simple to catch. Then we'd compare raw/unique ratio. You run a blindlinks program and a guy has a page with all your links on it but the guy sends 100% unique traffic to you, he gives himself away. That was a give away even after they started spoofing ips.
In our search program it was even easier. Guy would make a ton of money, go to the site and he's just got a blank searchbox yet he'd have 1000 searches on "hot sex" he'd spoof the ip but forget to spoof search terms. Then they got smarter and started using term lists. Of course, we were ahead of them there too. Since we logged searches, we knew what a random search pattern would look like. you could pick out a term list in a seond.

I'm fairly certain I've seen every type of cheating out there except carding (because we never dealt with signups) but I already know all the things I'll be looking for there too. its all a matter of gathering info and picking out the oddity.

sorry, too wordy, I know. here's a pic of two hot men for the trouble of reading this rambley post:

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by modF

Is it true you have a signed picture of a very silly man called Dubya in your office?

Not only that, I have an 8x10 glossy of mojo signed,"you're so gay, love Mojo"
I have to be careful not to let it face any mirrors as it could disrupt the space/time continueum

Loryn · 09-13-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JUSTB

Contrary to popular belief I do not believe Ron to be a Republican.....

This could be the longest ambush yet....

Because of that statement it's guaranteed to be the longest one yet!

Ron asked me to marry him and make little Republican babies but we live on different sides of the country so marriage and family are out of the question. We have to settle for Internet lovin instead!

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I can't wait to read every single word! This is going to be the next best interview to #100 with Sleasy!

Congrats on the Ambush Ron... let's see some fat answers

Brad

I shall hold nothing back, including a pic I have of you!

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

8. What kind of car(s) do you own? pics

I've never been a huge car guy, I did the SL thing for the last 2 summers but now I'm driving a 300 hemi. I also have a Navigator
I know I have pics of the SL somewhere but I don't think I have any of the other 2. who would take pics of an ordinary car?

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:11 PM

yeah, here's the SL. sorry, its all I have.

Elli · 09-13-2006, 03:19 PM

Hooorah! Ron gets an Ambush? I'm glued to my screen!!

I would post a photo but my ftp isn't set up on this station yet..

and I would watch the video, but I haven't found the box with my speakers in it yet...

I have always enjoyed my time with Ron, be it over an incredible dinner at Le Cirque or over drinks at the GFY party.

Elli · 09-13-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I shall hold nothing back, including a pic I have of you!

Oh dear...

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RAM

I have been waiting for the Story of Big Ron 12 Clicks

did I or did I not teach you everything you knew about blindlinks programs via icq?
hahahaha

yes, ladies and gentleman, before our little porn starlet Ram became famous on film, he ran a little program called cheattraffic.com

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Oh dear...

sorry, Elli. You're only collateral damage

tranza · 09-13-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

look at tranza, he's got to pretend that some day long ago he had 15 people agreeing with him.

Lol. I have that thread bookmarked on my home PC. I'll make sure I bump it when I get home.

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Those archives exist on a several servers besides the YNOT ones

that would mean several people aren't bright enough to utilize it instead of one.

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Lol. I have that thread bookmarked on my home PC. I'll make sure I bump it when I get home.

just walk out of your bedroom and grab your "home PC" from your mom.

Nickatilynx · 09-13-2006, 03:35 PM

Interesting read , no doubt.

Nice seeing pioneers active again. I mean Mojo posting..holy fuck.

Good luck with your new venture

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

9. Where did the name rawlikesushi come from? talk about this business.

I honestly don't remember how the name came about, maybe mojo remembers and will post his recollection. I know it involved us brainstorming around the idea of paying for raw traffic but thats it.
Rawlikesushi was an unbelievably successful program. This came on the heels of blindlinks.com which was hugely successful as well. If I remember correctly, we payed 3 cents raw for text links and 4 cents raw for button clicks (highly clickable buttons) The volumes where just amazing and between the two programs, we had just about every webmaster in adult in one or both of them. Sending out checks at the end of the month was a major operation. Between these programs and our mainstream stuff I think we have a small room filled with cancelled checks.

Even though the adult world was much smaller then, it was still a very heady time to control that much traffic, and make good money off of it. Our margins were huge.

Cory W · 09-13-2006, 03:39 PM

I just laughed so hard....oh man : )

I love your wit Ron.

I am going to have to read the remainder from Europe. Looking forward to it!

Cyndalie · 09-13-2006, 03:49 PM

How much for ModF?
I have some plans to utilize his assets

Brad Mitchell · 09-13-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Oh dear...

Hey, at least you could have denied that was you in the photo! My hairline is unfortunately un-mistakeable!

Brad

ravo · 09-13-2006, 04:35 PM

Wow, is this thread ever a walk down memory lane.

12clicks (unknowingly) got me started in the 'pay-per-click' game.

SleazyDream · 09-13-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well.
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG

its worth the click.

why did my spyware alarm go off when I downloaded that?

CDSmith · 09-13-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

why did my spyware alarm go off when I downloaded that?

Okay that was good.

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

What are you going to wear to the Playboy Mansion?

all of my prettiest shirts go with jeans. Its quite a dillema since I was thinking of wearing pants.

12clicks · 09-13-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I like to refer to them as "the ugly years"

griffin · 09-13-2006, 05:26 PM

By my figuring 12clicks owes me a good chunk of money for terminating his program before I was done sending clicks.

09-13-2006, 01:22 PM	#102
Mojo Used to be a Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 356	>>>>> I know he's got modf on his team. Moof is quite the asset from what I know of it. >>>> ModF is quite the man asset. (If you know what I mean... ) __________________ -12clicks wears fancy boots.

09-13-2006, 01:27 PM	#104
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Is it true that ModF's goatee tickles? __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

09-13-2006, 01:28 PM	#105
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,737	This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well. http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG its worth the click. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

09-13-2006, 01:28 PM	#106
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,737	double post __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed. Last edited by 12clicks; 09-13-2006 at 01:30 PM..

09-13-2006, 01:34 PM	#110
machinegunkelly Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,140	Great thread :D Always enjoy 12clicks posts ;) this is awesome __________________ dead.

09-13-2006, 01:22 PM	#101
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	100clicks

09-13-2006, 01:41 PM	#111
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09-13-2006, 01:46 PM	#113
Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	Ron and I have banged dead hookers together.

09-13-2006, 01:59 PM	#115
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Hehe.. here you whiny little bitch. I have got to photoshop that other one Last edited by RRRED; 09-13-2006 at 02:02 PM..

09-13-2006, 02:20 PM	#118
tradermcduck Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe - By the way I know my nickname sucks ;-) Posts: 2,362	wow this thread brings back memories... StandardInternet was one of my first sponsors

09-13-2006, 02:33 PM	#123
Mojo Used to be a Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 356	>>> http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG >>> I remember this. I knew he'd win so when I called up the trophy place I said "Go down to your basement and find the biggest, ugliest trophy you can. I want the one that is so ridiculous you're ashamed to sell it to anyone." And there it is. And I never won it back from the bastard in the last 7 years. __________________ -12clicks wears fancy boots.

09-13-2006, 02:45 PM	#125
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	I love these interviews

09-13-2006, 03:11 PM	#132
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,737	yeah, here's the SL. sorry, its all I have. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

09-13-2006, 03:19 PM	#133
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Hooorah! Ron gets an Ambush? I'm glued to my screen!! I would post a photo but my ftp isn't set up on this station yet.. and I would watch the video, but I haven't found the box with my speakers in it yet... I have always enjoyed my time with Ron, be it over an incredible dinner at Le Cirque or over drinks at the GFY party. __________________ Make More Money with Cams and Dating at FFN.com! email: [email protected]

09-13-2006, 03:35 PM	#140
Nickatilynx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: International Gypsy Posts: 819	Interesting read , no doubt. Nice seeing pioneers active again. I mean Mojo posting..holy fuck. Good luck with your new venture

09-13-2006, 03:39 PM	#142
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	I just laughed so hard....oh man : ) I love your wit Ron. I am going to have to read the remainder from Europe. Looking forward to it! __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

09-13-2006, 03:49 PM	#143
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	How much for ModF? I have some plans to utilize his assets __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

09-13-2006, 04:35 PM	#145
ravo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Skype: ravo.fpctraffic Posts: 5,421	Wow, is this thread ever a walk down memory lane. 12clicks (unknowingly) got me started in the 'pay-per-click' game. __________________ AdultAdBroker - Buy and Sell Your Flat Rate Banners, Links, Tabs, Pops, Email Clicks and Members' Area Traffic - updated April 2024

09-13-2006, 05:26 PM	#150
griffin Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 87	By my figuring 12clicks owes me a good chunk of money for terminating his program before I was done sending clicks. __________________ The PornDojo