Ambush Interview #99 12clicks - Page 7 - GoFuckYourself.com

Mojo · 09-14-2006, 04:58 PM

I enjoyed the pics of your house.

Why don't you post a pic of the door to your wine cellar? I can't get enough of that.

Brad Mitchell · 09-14-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

to say nothing of your dance moves.

That was a great night in Phoenix! I remember Kourush was mixing up the 80s music (and more) and the Red Bull Vodkas had me in quite the happy dancing place. I don't so much mind if everyone else thinks I am a dork when I am enjoying myself

Brad

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpie

This is maybe the most priceless piece of the era.....! I laughed my ass off again.

http://www.cecash.com/agent69/

But, you kinda had 'to be there, to understand all that it inflects. A 'newbie just would't 'get it. A great memory of power politics at it's peak:-)

Hey, I want to say that you are one of the people truly pushing our business forward. Your efforts with shows are tremendous and I thank you for it.

Now, a bit of a story about you.

Back in seacaucus NJ in what, 1999? At the party JoeE (I think) threw, I remember you cornering one of my then partners on a couch. he, sitting, you standing over him. You're smoking a cig with the longest ash I've ever seen about to drop off the cig, my partner caught undernieth, just waiting for it to drop on him.
We were laughing our asses off watching from across the room.
priceless.
Thanks for all the shows over the years.

Deej · 09-14-2006, 05:02 PM

Quality Entertainment...

Peaches · 09-14-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

right! its always smart to keep stuff past its valueable marketability.
I'd rather ask a dope why they are tripping on their dick than *be* the dope tripping on their dick.

Sweetie, YOU were the one asking for the archives. Apparently it still has "marketability" though that's not why they keep it

Just like the Agent 69 cartoon - there are a lot of people who have it on their servers besides CE. When you have your own servers, and it doesn't cost anything to keep something there, YNOT?

sweetums · 09-14-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

hey, we could fall flat on our face just like anyone else could. Thinking we can waltz back into this biz would ensure our failure.
We will not be waltzing, we shall be break dancing.

I would actually pay to see you do the "electric boogaloo"

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

hey 12clicks

I see 12clickscash.com is up and running....is the official launch today?

no. but since you're snooping where you shouldn't, do you like the design?

Deraj · 09-14-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

it might have been earlier and ran through 2000.

Ugh.. is that RRRED?

swoop · 09-14-2006, 05:10 PM

so do u miss me at all?

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by punker barbie

This shall be an awesome read! If you've never been to one of 12clicks and Mojo's dinners then you are totally missing out. Cant wait for the next one! ;)

missing out on gazing upon the beauty that is "punker barbie"

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deraj

Ugh.. is that RRRED?

its an awful picture of her. Being a gentleman, I had to take this question out of order to defend her honor.
She's a hottie. Check out the other pic of the two of us.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

I remember that banner! It's a crack up!

it signed up a ton of webmasters in its day.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-14-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

If you've got something to say, don't beat around the bush, fuckin' say it!

Good interview...

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I always knew I was a star And now, the rest of the world seems to agree with me.

- Freddie Mercury

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12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

nice read so far i had dinner at picasso with mojo and ron and the botto boys one of the best dinners I have ever eaten

dude, that was one hell of a night.
Here's how I remember it.
It was our first try at throwing a big shot dinner. Robert and I had somehow arrainged to pic up the tab but I really don't remember us being the organizers of the event. Anyway, its you, the botto brothers, the 4 of us, Tony morgan, and a few others at Picasso and we're going to meet with some hot shot Casino dude who wanted to buy traffic from us.
At the time, the table represented a probably what, 30% reach of the entire internet?
Anyway, he come in late, greats the maitre de by name and tells the waiter to tell the chef (whos name he alos knows) that he's here and that he wants the chef to just make us whatever he wants. he then turns to the waiter and tells him to pick whatever wines he'd like to pair with the dishes the chef serves.
Robert and I look at each other and with our eyes, say to each other,"this is going to cost us a fortune"

The guy proceeds to explain how we can send him traffic and he'll count it by asking the arriving surfer to use a drop down box to explain where he came from.
After about 10 minutes of polite silence by us, I think it was Sweet T who finally interupted him and said something like,"no offense, but you've got over half of the adult net sitting at this table and we have a better way of counting traffic"
it broke the ice and we went on to have a great dinner. Never did business with the casino dude but dinner was fun.

Oh, and remember when they served Bob Botto quail for the main course and he balked? He says to the waiter, "um, I can't eat this. It looks too much like pigeon. I can't eat this"

verey funny night. very great night.

Lars, we need to do dinner again. Its been too long.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

mann i look good in a party hat

That was the first year sleazy threw a tgp party, and I have to say sponsoring most of them has been one of the best networking and profitable ad spends I have done

dude, you look good in a party hat because you're always wearing a party shirt.
The chop is all in good fun.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

25. Who do you look up to in online adult? Down on?

hmmmm, this will take me a long time to answer.
who do I look up to?
obviously Mojo. He's like a gentleman farmer of the internet. I don't think he's ever had an enemy even when *we've* had enemies. As I've said before, he's brilliant. Other people see that and want to be around him because of it. Being his idiot sidekick has opened many door for me.

Another guy, is Ken Lawson. honest as the day is long. I used to say back in the day, "Ken is so honest, I'd trust him with my naked wife." and its true. hell of a guy. (of course, he never thought much of me, haha)

Ron Cadwell is another guy who has my full respect. Much like Mojo, he's brilliant. Always entertaining and interesting at our dinners, always someone I look up to. When we used to worry about processors, I ALWAYS said, as long as one of the processors is run by Ron Cadwell, this business is in good hands. Another guy I'd trust completely.

Uh, I don't think I can do a paragraph for each guy I respect in this business so let me list them.

Lars, Rich Botto, Lensman, Brad Shaw, Zimm, Kjell, John Bennett, David Vander Pole (or however that dutch bastard spells it), Steve Lightspeed, Marc De, Kevin from Top Bucks, boy there's really too many to name and I'll piss some guys off by forgetting them.

but I make special room for Sweet T. Tony has always always been good to us. A good friend, generous, etc. He really at times led us noobs around vegas by the hand. I',m sure it meant nothing to him but it meant everything to us. Even when we weren't doing business with him he was always great.
Thanks T.

People I look down on?
shit, again I know you hope I name names so let me think.
Well, the obvious is pimpdog. How on earth do
people do business with him. He's an immature woman hater who has no business here. Our business is dependent on woman!!!! This asshole attacks them for no reason. If you're in this business and doing business with him, you're an idiot. You can choose from so many sponsors and you choose him? its quite frankly irrisponsible.

hmmmm, who else? a good number of nameless people from the AWI board. So many thieves over there that I used to call it the "traffic cheaters board"

all the anon people on GFY of course. Very few people are truely anon, they've just burnt through thier other usernames.

then there's chat board trolls like m00d, webby, mr.soul, confucy, peaches, and several others who pretend to be in this business just so they can spew their nonsense.

Drake · 09-14-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

That was a great night in Phoenix! I remember Kourush was mixing up the 80s music (and more) and the Red Bull Vodkas had me in quite the happy dancing place. I don't so much mind if everyone else thinks I am a dork when I am enjoying myself

Brad

That's all that matters

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:11 PM

god damn it, I knew I'd forget people.
Shemp, Mike Strouse, The Hun, Dave Purehardcore (ok, so thats his old school name)

Peaches · 09-14-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

then there's chat board trolls like m00d, webby, mr.soul, confucy, peaches, and several others who pretend to be in this business just so they can spew their nonsense.

Gee Ron, I still get checks from a lot of people you mentioned looking up to. And I'm pretending to be in this business? I started in 1997 and started going to shows in 1999 and I think I met you for the first time at a show around 2001. I've probably been to more shows than you have

I don't think I'd spend my own money to attend these events if I was "pretending" to be in the biz, lol.

I realize your issue - you have to make a decision that someone is lying between two people and it's in your best interest to choose me. I have no problem with that and I understand your reasoning. But acting like I'm not in this business and haven't been for years is beneath you. Don't lower yourself to that level.

CDSmith · 09-14-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

god damn it, I knew I'd forget people.
Shemp, Mike Strouse, The Hun, Dave Purehardcore (ok, so thats his old school name)

Nice save.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coatsy

12clicks what age were you when you got into the online adult industry?

I believe I was 33

and dead sexy.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Gee Ron, I still get checks from a lot of people you mentioned looking up to. And I'm pretending to be in this business? I started in 1997 and started going to shows in 1999 and I think I met you for the first time at a show around 2001. I've probably been to more shows than you have

I don't think I'd spend my own money to attend these events if I was "pretending" to be in the biz, lol.

I realize your issue - you have to make a decision that someone is lying between two people and it's in your best interest to choose me. I have no problem with that and I understand your reasoning. But acting like I'm not in this business and haven't been for years is beneath you. Don't lower yourself to that level.

I made my choice after watching how the two people in question act.
I made the right choice as one of them continues to come into my threads, uninvited, and bringing nothing but nonsense.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by corvette

This thread has just the right balance of information, industry history, style, humor, charisma, attempted drama, and large models passed out on couches

with cake.

Peaches · 09-14-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I made my choice after watching how the two people in question act.
I made the right choice as one of them continues to come into my threads, uninvited, and bringing nothing but nonsense.

"Your" threads? There are "invites"? Sorry - I thought these were public message boards. My bad. And no nonsense. I was correcting your incorrect information. And I don't lie.

If you want to carry a "Peaches" chip on your shoulder and see everything negatively, that's your decision.

I'll view this as being "uninvited" - Ciao

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

If I was gay i would bang 12clicks

If I were blind, I'd bang you.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

"Your" threads? There are "invites"? Sorry - I thought these were public message boards. My bad. And no nonsense. I was correcting your incorrect information. And I don't lie.

If you want to carry a "Peaches" chip on your shoulder and see everything negatively, that's your decision.

I'll view this as being "uninvited" - Ciao

I've written you off. I don't know you exist except for your incessant posts in all of my threads. you'r an annoyance. if thats what you aspire to, you've succeeded.

Drake · 09-14-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I believe I was 33

and dead sexy.

How old are you now?

How old are you kids? Are they interested in business/entreprenuership(sp) or do you think they will pursue careers in the professions?

Sorry if thse question were already asked, I didn't notice them.

What's your educational background and how important has formal schooling been in who you are and how you run your business.

jonesy · 09-14-2006, 06:28 PM

after reading this interview so far as well as the banter, one word comes to mind.

Enigma.

carry on.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel

I remember that! LOL Didn't LocalG show up at your office one day to meet you out of the blue?

Ha, another good story.
Yeah, back before we knew him, he showed up at our door out of the blue. The receptionist calls back to my office and says,"theres someone here to see 12clicks"
well, no one just shows up to see 12clicks at our office. I was a bit freaked so I told her to put him in our conferance room. I then told one of our sales guys to go to talk to him see what he wants, and get rid of him.
Only later did I realize who he was, what he did, and how much I liked him.

He's only one of 3 people who ever came to the office. ok, 4. I forgot about Nina Knows Best.

Sharpie · 09-14-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Hey, I want to say that you are one of the people truly pushing our business forward. Your efforts with shows are tremendous and I thank you for it.

Now, a bit of a story about you.

Back in seacaucus NJ in what, 1999? At the party JoeE (I think) threw, I remember you cornering one of my then partners on a couch. he, sitting, you standing over him. You're smoking a cig with the longest ash I've ever seen about to drop off the cig, my partner caught undernieth, just waiting for it to drop on him.
We were laughing our asses off watching from across the room.
priceless.
Thanks for all the shows over the years.

Hey there, I am glad you feel that way, because I really do TRY!

Seacaucus was our first Internet show in 1998. 2007 will be our 10th Anniversary - and we are still here!! (our demise has been greaty exagerated from time to time) Actually, at that time about the only people in the biz I knew by sight were Mark Tiarra, Allissa, Sammi, Rich Bono, and Lee Noga. Everyone else was just a name on a chatboard. By the time I left, I think I had met just about everyone that was important in the business at that time.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

Why the fuck do I have this insatiable urge to listen to queen right now???

because of my dead sexy man ass.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

this is one excellent interview...
Ron, thanks for your Vegas hospitality and here's to good business in the future

Shemp, I value our chats on the phone and our friendship. You're welcome at my table anytime (vegas or otherwise)
Oh, and you should be hearing from me soon about the business we talked about.

Cyndalie · 09-14-2006, 06:46 PM

The 10th Anniversary should be back in NJ - NE Coast Still alive and Representing! Been a long time since any large industry gathering has been held up there.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

26. Thoughts on drugs, booze, and all the twinks and babes you've had sex with?

I'm not a big fan of drugs. I've done my share in my youth and have many funny stories to go with it but I just think at some point you out grow it.
Now, booze, now you're speaking my language.
I think booze is a wonderful social lubricant. Absolutely necissary in this business filled with shut in computer geeks.

(no offense to the shut in computer geeks)
I've had years of fun around grey goose martinis but we all know I'm a red wine man. In slightly more than moderation, its wonderful. hahaha

Twinks and babes I've had sex with? so far, I'm as pure as driven snow. Ask any women or twink who's been to my dinners if I've ever so much as undressed them with my eyes.

No, the day I wake up with a roofie hang over and a sore ass will be my first.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Harmless?

Amelia, I don't think I've ever seen these pics.
Holy shit, we look like we're about to head upstairs for sex.

you certainly know how to pose for, and dominate a pic!

escorpio · 09-14-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

I tried and tired to explain that so many times but it never gets through. All the Porn News Mags point to Rep's as the enemy. If the industry is not careful they are going to vote a Dem in thinking "Yeah we are all safe" and then BAM the Dem really fucks the industry. But oh well, I guess you live and learn the hard way when you have a closed mind.

I agree that 12clicks is right on the money with this issue and I respect him for having the balls to speak about it despite all the shit he takes.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

27. Talk about you famous dinners. What makes them so famous? Do you do this in an attempt to buy friends?

My famous dinners. ok, I guess they are famous because of the good time everyone attending has. Our dinners usually consist of less than 15 people, all of them tops in our industry. The venues have always been fantastic (in a gay way) such as Picasso, Delmonicos, Le Cirque, and Smith&Wollenski's
People polite enough to accept our invitation have been a who's who of the industry. Besides the people already mentioned in this thread, we've had Lensman, Ron Cadwell, Tony Morgan, Botto Brothers, JB, Mike Strouse, Shemp, Gary Kremen, Chris Mallick, Punker Barbie, Three Kisses Marie, KK, Brad Shaw, Lars, Python Aly, Loryn, Butterflied, Pornkings Carol, Jen, and Lisa, Cory, and really a host of others (again, I'll be crucified for forgetting names) but who wouldn't have a good time in that company.

As far as whether its an attempt to buy friends, can you hit these people up and see if its working?

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

The new Bruce Wayne?

I'm Batman

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetums

Ok, there are resemblances and then there are resemblances....that image is going to freak me out for the rest of the day

they say, everyone has a twin.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

I tried and tired to explain that so many times but it never gets through. All the Porn News Mags point to Rep's as the enemy. If the industry is not careful they are going to vote a Dem in thinking "Yeah we are all safe" and then BAM the Dem really fucks the industry. But oh well, I guess you live and learn the hard way when you have a closed mind.

if your point of view spans all of 2 years, its kinda easy to misunderstand.

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

She looks like she could be your daughter.

Cute pic though!

at my age, don't all the sexy ones look like daughters?

12clicks · 09-14-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

This will be a good read. I like Ron.

man, if I were Bi, I could clean up!

Anthony · 09-14-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

man, if I were Bi, I could clean up!

It's the height and the chiseled good looks!

Cyndalie · 09-14-2006, 07:32 PM

I think it's that troublemaker "I'm up to no good and you love it" expression he always seems to have.

wine-O · 09-14-2006, 07:34 PM

Its his lack of wine knowledge that turns me on.

xxxdesign-net · 09-14-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

This pic of 12clicks, taken pre-internet, clearly shows he was destined to be in adult...

Classic pic of 12clicks.. Damn he has long arms...

Halcyon · 09-14-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

pink was the new black that year.

It still is!!

(Great Ambush, btw)

Minte · 09-14-2006, 08:02 PM

Great Ambush! Just like I knew it would be.

Xenophage · 09-14-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

dude, that was one hell of a night.
Here's how I remember it.
It was our first try at throwing a big shot dinner. Robert and I had somehow arrainged to pic up the tab but I really don't remember us being the organizers of the event. Anyway, its you, the botto brothers, the 4 of us, Tony morgan, and a few others at Picasso and we're going to meet with some hot shot Casino dude who wanted to buy traffic from us.
At the time, the table represented a probably what, 30% reach of the entire internet?
Anyway, he come in late, greats the maitre de by name and tells the waiter to tell the chef (whos name he alos knows) that he's here and that he wants the chef to just make us whatever he wants. he then turns to the waiter and tells him to pick whatever wines he'd like to pair with the dishes the chef serves.
Robert and I look at each other and with our eyes, say to each other,"this is going to cost us a fortune"

The guy proceeds to explain how we can send him traffic and he'll count it by asking the arriving surfer to use a drop down box to explain where he came from.
After about 10 minutes of polite silence by us, I think it was Sweet T who finally interupted him and said something like,"no offense, but you've got over half of the adult net sitting at this table and we have a better way of counting traffic"
it broke the ice and we went on to have a great dinner. Never did business with the casino dude but dinner was fun.

Oh, and remember when they served Bob Botto quail for the main course and he balked? He says to the waiter, "um, I can't eat this. It looks too much like pigeon. I can't eat this"

verey funny night. very great night.

Lars, we need to do dinner again. Its been too long.

Exactly! Everyones food was different not to mention the Cigars and Cognac
that was an amazing dinner, I still remember the dessert I ate is was simply amazing, and the Bellagio had just opened not to much earlier so it was uber hip

Agreed lets do Dinner again for certain , but this time I get to treat

I remember sitting at that table looking around and thinking why am I here, but looking back I know its cuzz I was pushing so much frigging golden traffic. I also remember knowing I had arrived and was starting to make a name for myself. I sure miss the Botto Boys and the whole Max Cash Crew they were great to do business with! I believe that was 1998.

Anthony · 09-14-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

dude, how funny is it to say "new" and "500k a day" in the same sentence?
noobs can not really grasp what it was like back then.
Glad you remember, glad we did right by you.

I miss those days, and I don't regret one day of them.

It's good to see you back Ron, and Mojo.

09-14-2006, 04:58 PM	#301
Mojo Used to be a Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 356	I enjoyed the pics of your house. Why don't you post a pic of the door to your wine cellar? I can't get enough of that. __________________ -12clicks wears fancy boots.

09-14-2006, 05:02 PM	#304
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Quality Entertainment... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

09-14-2006, 05:10 PM	#309
swoop Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,903	so do u miss me at all? __________________ Earn 50 % Per Sale - Weekly Payments by check, wire, PayPal, or ePassporte

09-14-2006, 06:11 PM	#318
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,737	god damn it, I knew I'd forget people. Shemp, Mike Strouse, The Hun, Dave Purehardcore (ok, so thats his old school name) __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

09-14-2006, 06:28 PM	#328
jonesy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,688	after reading this interview so far as well as the banter, one word comes to mind. Enigma. carry on. __________________ . Shooting Bikini Girls

09-14-2006, 06:46 PM	#333
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	The 10th Anniversary should be back in NJ - NE Coast Still alive and Representing! Been a long time since any large industry gathering has been held up there. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

09-14-2006, 07:32 PM	#344
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	I think it's that troublemaker "I'm up to no good and you love it" expression he always seems to have.

09-14-2006, 07:34 PM	#345
wine-O Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hell Posts: 2	Its his lack of wine knowledge that turns me on.

09-14-2006, 08:02 PM	#348
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	Great Ambush! Just like I knew it would be. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.