Why Porn no longer makes the money it used too...

[Anthony]

Prevelance of the material everywhere.

This is the death knell right here.

http://pornotube.com/media.php?mode=videos

[mattz]

ill agree on that

[Anthony]

My favorite so far...

http://pornotube.com/media.php?m=46

[Jace]

yeah, I have mixed feelings about pornotube.com...most of the feeling isn't very good the more I think about it

isn't aebn running that? wonder how they will feel when people start uploading their videos

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Jace

yeah, I have mixed feelings about pornotube.com...most of the feeling isn't very good the more I think about it

isn't aebn running that? wonder how they will feel when people start uploading their videos

Why do they care? AEBN has their video's watermarked. Check out post 3.

[HpicAnn]

Lot of affiliate programs with good content in the industry, I think!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by HpicAnn

Lot of affiliate programs with good content in the industry, I think!

Why don't you think like a surfer?

Why pay for it,when I get can it for free?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Why do they care? AEBN has their video's watermarked. Check out post 3.

anyone going to that site isn't going to preview a site before buying, they are going for 100% free content

but you are right, I am sure aebn will fill that shit up with their videos on their own...so they won't care

like I said, mixed emotions

[I'm a sig whore]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Why don't you think like a surfer?

Why pay for it,when I get can it for free?

this is true

[gooddomains]

Free Free Free

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Jace

anyone going to that site isn't going to preview a site before buying, they are going for 100% free content

but you are right, I am sure aebn will fill that shit up with their videos on their own...so they won't care

like I said, mixed emotions

Youtube is already full of porn.

A site that is geared to it is gonna be so fucking hard to police, it's not even funny.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Youtube is already full of porn.

A site that is geared to it is gonna be so fucking hard to police, it's not even funny.

it is an unfortunate business we are in, and it gets worse by the day

[Phoenix]

hows does that site make money..i only saw one video watermarked

no ads anywhere really

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

hows does that site make money..i only saw one video watermarked

no ads anywhere really

it isn't technically open yet....still in beta

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

hows does that site make money..i only saw one video watermarked

no ads anywhere really

It's in beta right now.

I figured, the plan is to have videos that are watermarked like the video I posted in post 3.

[Tdog]

This seems the same as any other of the 1000's MPG sites out there.

[strobi]

My god! Is that YouTube for porn? This is gonna be massive...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tdog

This seems the same as any other of the 1000's MPG sites out there.

Thank you for making my point.

Why porn no longer makes the money it used too.

In 2000, I would send 20,000 clicks to ARS and make 15 to 20 sales at 40 bucks.

On Circle Jerk traffic.

Anyone who traded with me back then could tell you that I had a minimum of 15 consoles opening trading traffic and selling them.

[media]

heh, some large videos on there.. asstraffic had a couple it looked like.. one was 20 minutes..

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by media

heh, some large videos on there.. asstraffic had a couple it looked like.. one was 20 minutes..

What's up Homeboy!

What do you think about this whole video site?

Good or bad for the industry?

[MattO]

Once teenagers start uploading videos of their girlfriends shoving bananas into their twats that place will get some heat.

[ridikuloz]

P2P programs...

[Lazonby]

Another reason.

1. Sponsor gives access to members area to each affilliate so that they have oodles of promotional material.

2. Sponsor does not insist that the last 4-8 thumbs are not clickable to full size.

3. Between 10 affilliates, the entire members section (or as close to as makes no difference) per girl is available over a series of different galleries.

4. Surfer goes to peachy18.com or somewhere similar to find all of the available galleries of each girl.

5. Surfer whacks off to his heart's content without having to get his credit card out.

6. Everyone moans about shitty ratios but is not prepared to do anything about it.

7. No-one is prepared to make the first move because (horror of horrors) they may (or may not) have to take a temporary dip in revenue before the situation improves.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Lazonby

Another reason.

1. Sponsor gives access to members area to each affilliate so that they have oodles of promotional material.

2. Sponsor does not insist that the last 4-8 thumbs are not clickable to full size.

3. Between 10 affilliates, the entire members section (or as close to as makes no difference) per girl is available over a series of different galleries.

4. Surfer goes to peachy18.com or somewhere similar to find all of the available galleries of each girl.

5. Surfer whacks off to his heart's content without having to get his credit card out.

6. Everyone moans about shitty ratios but is not prepared to do anything about it.

7. No-one is prepared to make the first move because (horror of horrors) they may (or may not) have to take a temporary dip in revenue before the situation improves.

Good stuff. Another reason why not to judge GFY postes by their join date.

[Egomancer]

Originally Posted by Lazonby

Another reason.

1. Sponsor gives access to members area to each affilliate so that they have oodles of promotional material.

2. Sponsor does not insist that the last 4-8 thumbs are not clickable to full size.

3. Between 10 affilliates, the entire members section (or as close to as makes no difference) per girl is available over a series of different galleries.

4. Surfer goes to peachy18.com or somewhere similar to find all of the available galleries of each girl.

5. Surfer whacks off to his heart's content without having to get his credit card out.

6. Everyone moans about shitty ratios but is not prepared to do anything about it.

7. No-one is prepared to make the first move because (horror of horrors) they may (or may not) have to take a temporary dip in revenue before the situation improves.

I agree 100% with that. The problem is that if you do not put promotional material you won;t make sales and consequently you will get out of the market. SO the sponsors are in a dillema.

However, the bad ones will dissapear which means that less content will be available for free. And then the subscriptions will increase.

Egomancer

[Rui]

that and the image of the industry with shit like spamming, adware, spyware, pre-checked crossells,millions of "tgps",etc..etc...

[Pornwolf]

Porn needs a Cartel or Mafia to police it. It seems no one is going to do the right thing willfully, some people need a little "motivation" to fix this problem.

Don't think for a second that this isn't a problem. It is. As Anthony said, it is a death knell.

[CIVMatt]

I've always said right now in porn if you have a half ounce of sense about the internet there is no reason to ever pullout your credit card anymore.

[Rui]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Porn needs a Cartel or Mafia to police it. It seems no one is going to do the right thing willfully, some people need a little "motivation" to fix this problem.

Don't think for a second that this isn't a problem. It is. As Anthony said, it is a death knell.

As harsh as it sounds you do have a point...

people complain all the time about rules, regulations and whatnot, but look what happens when its "every man for itself"

This industry is killing itself...always has and i doubt it will stop...

Imagine in say 5 years conversions 10x worse than the average tgp conversions nowadays (nothing worth talking about)

[Rolo]

AEBN business model is to lower the income per consumer instead of maximizing it. Its idiotic at best, but their movtive is to make a "AEBN" vs. "the rest of the adult internet" situation. That means you and me are the enemy in AEBN´s eyes.

Lots of studio owners have bought into this without thinking long term - content owners are basicly given content FREE to AEBN, which then takes it and markets it as a cheap throw away product, lowering the overall value.

If their business was really the best way to sell porn, then why will you never see the "Paris Hilton´s videos" of the world on AEBN... because the content owner KNOWS that people are READY to pay more than 8 cents per minute of which he only receive 3 cents!!! Same with a good paysite - it will beat AEBN any time!

Anyone who have pushed the AEBN "per minute" site knows how little it makes per consumer/sale vs. a standard paysite

Now AEBN knows this, so they have started to venture out in the traffic game as many other sponsors have aswell. Nothing wrong with that, but they bring their "business attitude" with them. So again you and me are the enemy in AEBN´s eyes. And how will they beat us? By giving away OUR OWN content to THEIR surfers for FREE

AEBN´s newest project is so close to the business model GUBA that it hurts! Except its even cheaper, because it is FREE!

AEBN is worse than GUBA!

[dirtypxl]

isnt the stuff there copyprotected and so illegal?

[Peaches]

So many programs are counting on their affiliates WAY too much. Instead of bringing in their own traffic the way they want to, they are catering to the every whim of the affiliate (free pics, FHG, free sites, free drinks/dinners, etc.) because it's "easier" than hiring someone inhouse to bring the traffic in w/o having give the store away.

It's a very short sighted way of looking at things, IMO.

I think the programs you see which are still successful in 5 years are going to be those with the smallest amount of affiliates.

[nico-t]

well all i know i click on the 'adult ' category and all i see is fucking gay dudes
too damn gross

[Splum]

Yeap porn is dead, sell your sites, quit working porn please thanks.

[pornguy]

Its going to be a masive bill that may NOT pay off.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by dirtypxl

isnt the stuff there copyprotected and so illegal?

You think AEBN is going to worry about copyrights before people upload every porn video they have in their porn collection?

[Lazonby]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Good stuff. Another reason why not to judge GFY postes by their join date.

Funny thing is, I'm not YET an adult webmaster. I'm at the 'have some ideas but don't have the time to get in yet' stage.

But even though I'm no expert, it's so obvious that this industry is in a real mess. The level of professionalism in general across the industry is very, very low, if GFY is anything to go by.

There ARE ways to improve things for all the serious, non-scammer, professional webmasters but it will require alot of effort, some treading on of toes, some time and a little money. I've identified several people on this board who I think might be able to lead this industry away from the drain it's heading towards and I've seen a bit of encouraging talk here and there but no moves towards real action.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Lazonby

Funny thing is, I'm not YET an adult webmaster. I'm at the 'have some ideas but don't have the time to get in yet' stage.

But even though I'm no expert, it's so obvious that this industry is in a real mess. The level of professionalism in general across the industry is very, very low, if GFY is anything to go by.

There ARE ways to improve things for all the serious, non-scammer, professional webmasters but it will require alot of effort, some treading on of toes, some time and a little money. I've identified several people on this board who I think might be able to lead this industry away from the drain it's heading towards and I've seen a bit of encouraging talk here and there but no moves towards real action.

I look forward to reading more about you - you are on the right track

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Its going to be a masive bill that may NOT pay off.

Bandwidth is cheap... and so is FREE content

[Rolo]

Wonder when AEBN will announce they have bought GUBA

[Rui]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Bandwidth is cheap... and so is FREE content

if you cant monitize it, soon the cheap BW bill will grow and grow and grow...well you get the idea

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Peaches

So many programs are counting on their affiliates WAY too much. Instead of bringing in their own traffic the way they want to, they are catering to the every whim of the affiliate (free pics, FHG, free sites, free drinks/dinners, etc.) because it's "easier" than hiring someone inhouse to bring the traffic in w/o having give the store away.

It's a very short sighted way of looking at things, IMO.

I think the programs you see which are still successful in 5 years are going to be those with the smallest amount of affiliates.

yes complete the circle

something i have been recommending to everyone i have consulted over the years...very very few agree and see the light though

i guess from their perspective if it aint broke dont fix it....hope it doesnt break

[xxxice]

Originally Posted by Rolo

I look forward to reading more about you - you are on the right track

[Lazonby]

Originally Posted by Egomancer

I agree 100% with that. The problem is that if you do not put promotional material you won;t make sales and consequently you will get out of the market. SO the sponsors are in a dillema.

However, the bad ones will dissapear which means that less content will be available for free. And then the subscriptions will increase.

Egomancer

The sponsor should be providing LESS material, not more. So what if 1000 TGPs are all showing the same gallery. It's the 'tease factor' which makes surfers sign up*. Why would they sign up if they have already seen all of your members area across a load of TGPs.

*The surfer has two options: he can either get the content for free on a content ripping site or similar (these can be shut down or discouraged) or he can pay for the content by buying a membership. Providing your entire site for inclusion in TGPs is plain stupidity.

Take the sites like MET-art for example. I like the kind of girls on those sites and if it wasn't for the fact that all the content is easily available across x amount of TGPs, I'd be buying myself memberships. As it is, I can get all the content easily and for free.

[sweetcuties]

I'm with AEBN and I have 2 studios with them. Here's my take:

1. Surfers are getting smart and their changing the genre and numbers on the vids, therefore having access to thousands of hrs of FREE content.

2. If you've got a studio, the content isn't watermarked.

3. I'm looking at one of my studios right now and they've got 10 different videos with 7 sec clips each! That's 70 seconds of FREE footage!!

4. To top it off with their new templates, they have 5 different movies but the movies are longer (15 sec's each)

5. I can easily send them approx 10 new vid's but prob won't. I don't like seeing my "unwatermarked" content splattered all over the place. I bust my ass finding these girls, especially pregnant girls and I don't like seeing $$ flying out the window.

It's just not AEBN, there's to much free porn out there. To many people giving away hardcore! I've been saying this for yrs. If you're seen my galleries out there, you know I tease the surfer. The idea is to convert, not to give the sufer everything.

That's my take

[Lazonby]

Well guys, there is a way out of this...............

[CumPacker]

46........

[pornpf69]

that site is really awesome!!

[FlexxAeon]

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD....someone start an organization/coalition/think tank/goon squad or something to change this shit. all this free porn out there not only hurts our pockets it gets us all into a lot of trouble

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Why don't you think like a surfer?

Why pay for it,when I get can it for free?

Webmasters keep on with this illusion that if porn were not available for free, everyone who looks at porn now would become a paying customer. The cost of going along with this naive idea is that we stop looking for what is really holding us back.

But the vast majority of people will never pay for (online) porn and those who are willing to do so understand the difference between premium porn and free porn, even if, apparently, a lot of webmasters cannot make that distinction.

I grant that if there were zero free porn, we might see a trickle of one-time, curiosity sales. On the other hand, we would lose one of the best marketing tools we have, so on balance I seriously doubt we would come out in front.

If we actually want a bigger cake, instead of fighting over the one we have, we need to look at what we are selling and how we are selling it. For the most part we are selling crap which would be overpriced whatever its cost. A lot of sponsors put zero thought into marketing and most of those who do, direct their energy into ways to screw buyers out of more money than they intended to spend.

In the last few days I was emailed about a brand new site, one which turns out to be based on pics originally sent out by a content club in 2001/2002. It was dirt cheap when it was new and has been so overused I have been rejecting TGP submissions which still use it. This morning I get a list of hosted movie galleries from a very well-known sponsor: unlit, over-optimized rubbish that wouldn't sell an ID if it were the only porn site on the planet.

We aren't selling primarily to newbies any more because they are a tiny minority of the surfing population and the only countries still showing any serious growth in Internet takeup are ones that by and large we cannot process payments for. As long as so many sponsors rely on armies of affiliates to make sales on the mud sticks principle, rather than offering something people actually want to buy, making money will keep getting harder.

Yesterday Will76 posted here about a scam he had got caught up in relating to charges added to his telephone bill. Everyone who responded was rightly indignant and a few even compared it to the scams online porn runs. But all those comments were along the lines of how much worse that scam was than anything in adult, or see, we are not the only people pulling tricks like that. Not one person pointed out that if such scams upset us, perhaps they upset our customers too...