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Triple 6 · 09-19-2006, 10:38 PM

there is NO LAW that requires you to do so?

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squishypimp · 09-19-2006, 10:42 PM

is that right?, i thought there was a law again not paying federal income tax.

Triple 6 · 09-19-2006, 10:59 PM

16th amendment is your law. Which states (personal) income cannot be taxed.

If you ever get hounded by the IRS because of a personal audit or for not doing your 1094, ask them to show you the LAW the requires you to pay income tax. They will show nothing because there is no such thing.

Corporate tax is another story. Income tax people have paid goes to the federal reserve, which is not even a real 'government' entity. Simply a private company that prints our money.

pocketkangaroo · 09-20-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple 6

16th amendment is your law. Which states (personal) income cannot be taxed.

If you ever get hounded by the IRS because of a personal audit or for not doing your 1094, ask them to show you the LAW the requires you to pay income tax. They will show nothing because there is no such thing.

Corporate tax is another story. Income tax people have paid goes to the federal reserve, which is not even a real 'government' entity. Simply a private company that prints our money.

The 16th Amendment states:

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. "

Arguments against the 16th amendment have been shot down time and time again in courts. Go ahead and ask them to show you the law, they'll laugh in your face and haul you off for tax evasion.

spunkmaster · 09-20-2006, 12:22 AM

The supreme court already ruled on this and you have to pay !

Triple 6 · 09-20-2006, 12:33 AM

The 16th amendment was 'supposedly' ratified in 1913 (the income tax act) so that 'income' can be defined as wages. This was not a legal ratififcation, and in 1916 the Supreme Court ruled in Brushaber that wages are NOT income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment.

Look it up...

pocketkangaroo · 09-20-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple 6

The 16th amendment was 'supposedly' ratified in 1913 (the income tax act) so that 'income' can be defined as wages. This was not a legal ratififcation, and in 1916 the Supreme Court ruled in Brushaber that wages are NOT income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment.

Look it up...

Actually, it was legal according to the Supreme Court on every case that has been brought to it in regards to it. You can look them up:

Sisk v. Commissioner
Ficalora v. Commissioner
United States v. Sitka
United States v. Stahl
Brown v. Commissioner
Lysiak v. Commissioner
Miller v. United States

As for Brushaber, he lost his case and his case is used as an example of why an income tax is constitutional. You are completely, 100%, wrong. Read the case, read the constitution, don't get your information from some video on YouTube that some 19 year old put together.

pocketkangaroo · 09-20-2006, 02:32 AM

Here is a link to the decision:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bi...ol=240&invol=1

Tat2Jr · 09-20-2006, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple 6

The 16th amendment was 'supposedly' ratified in 1913 (the income tax act) so that 'income' can be defined as wages. This was not a legal ratififcation, and in 1916 the Supreme Court ruled in Brushaber that wages are NOT income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment.

Look it up...

You may be right, but really..... there are tons of people sitting in federal prison for not paying their taxes.

Look it up...

Scootermuze · 09-20-2006, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Here is a link to the decision:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bi...ol=240&invol=1

The tax folks try to use the Brushaber case to show that taxing income is constitutional, but they fail to mention that this case has to do with foreign related income, which falls with the treasuries definition of, "sources derived".

"....it is hereby held that income accruing to nonresident aliens in the form of interest from the bonds and dividends on the stock of domestic corporations is subject to the income tax imposed by the Act of October 3, 1913."

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 1916 that the 16th Amendment DID NOT change the Constitution because of the fact that Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, and Article I, Section 9, Clause 4, were not repealed or altered; the U.S. Constitution cannot conflict with itself.

and for those who think the 16th amendment made it legal to tax income from your job down at the factory.. Here's your chance to flaunt your knowledge and win $10,000...

This is one of the more detailed sites concerning income taxes.. Lots and lots of references, laws, codes, rulings, etc. ..

Scootermuze · 09-20-2006, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

You may be right, but really..... there are tons of people sitting in federal prison for not paying their taxes.
Look it up...

These are usually people who are actually there for tax evasion, which is nothing more than purgery.. They lied on a federal document that they chose to sign..

Kinda like Martha Stewart's deal..

But.. Many of those are sitting there because the gov't has all the money in the world to fight tax cases, so they have the advantage whether they're right or not..

TheDoc · 09-20-2006, 06:43 AM

Yes people, you can not pay your taxes, that IS legal.. HOWEVER, you have to do MANY things to get this to happen. One is set yourself up as a natural person and learn EXACTLY what to do and what to to the IRS. And yes, MANY people have gotten out of paying taxes..

The simple trick is, the tax code puts YOU into a CORPORATION class rather than a person, they can't tax a person, but they can tax a corp..
IE: YOUR LAST NAME, FIRSTNAME, SSN, is your CORP name & ID.

Don't get this confused with personal taxes and business taxes. If you own a business in the United States, then you are a corp doing business within the US corp, so you must pay taxes.

This is the very basic of it, if you have already paid taxes then I suggest you keep paying them. You must know exactly what you are doing and exactly what to say or they will own your ass. A few 100 people have won by saying the correct things... however a few 1000 have lost by saying the wrong thing.

ColBigBalls · 09-20-2006, 07:07 AM

move to canada and get hosed all year

Dirty Dane · 09-20-2006, 07:14 AM

Pay highest rate, 58 % here, and there's no way around it, except the costs (or company investments) and retirement savings

... or make less

Additionally, we have 25% VAT

fallenmuffin · 09-20-2006, 07:15 AM

Yeah, Federal Income Tax is a pain in the ass... but I'll be paying it lol.. its 20% if i'm not mistaken.

Manowar · 09-20-2006, 07:15 AM

they will pwn you for trying that

Sosa · 09-20-2006, 07:31 AM

there is a local guy here that stops in and asks all these questions about why we pay and shit. dude is fucking annoying. Your going to get fucked in the end for not paying

godisdead · 09-20-2006, 08:20 AM

Someone else who has watched America: From Freedom to Facism?

OG LennyT · 09-20-2006, 08:24 AM

this is an interesting thread and yes, I hate paying taxes

Barefootsies · 09-20-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

You may be right, but really..... there are tons of people sitting in federal prison for not paying their taxes.

Look it up...

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Triple 6 · 09-20-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by godisdead

Someone else who has watched America: From Freedom to Facism?

hell yes.

The screener i saw last night got yanked from google video.

Makes fahrenheit 9/11 and 9/11 loose change look like sesame street

edgeprod · 09-20-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

The supreme court already ruled on this and you have to pay !

many ... many ... many .. times.

People are so retarded some times, heh.

Scootermuze · 09-20-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Actually, it was legal according to the Supreme Court on every case that has been brought to it in regards to it. You can look them up:

Sisk v. Commissioner
Ficalora v. Commissioner
United States v. Sitka
United States v. Stahl
Brown v. Commissioner
Lysiak v. Commissioner
Miller v. United States

I believe these cases were 16th amendment cases and not tax law cases. Arguments about the wording of the amendment, and/or the authenticity of its ratification..

Scootermuze · 09-20-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

many ... many ... many .. times.

People are so retarded some times, heh.

I'd be interested in seeing some of these tax law related Supreme Court rulings..

psili · 09-20-2006, 05:14 PM

So, just wondering, what happens to the US if income taxes weren't collected?

And, if nothing bad, I'd be willing to give what's taken out for taxes from my income for a couple of years to the person who gets it so I don't have to pay taxes again. Well... I'd like to hear what would happen to the country first, if people didn't pay income tax.

pocketkangaroo · 09-20-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

I'd be interested in seeing some of these tax law related Supreme Court rulings..

The Supreme Court only handles constitutional issues. Again, read through these cases:

Sisk v. Commissioner
Ficalora v. Commissioner
United States v. Sitka
United States v. Stahl
Brown v. Commissioner
Lysiak v. Commissioner
Miller v. United States

They are the standards for determining taxing citizens is constitutional. You can argue it all you want, but the Supreme Court has said that you are wrong. In the end, the Supreme Court has a little more say on our constitutionality of our tax laws than you do.

LadyMischief · 09-20-2006, 05:17 PM

Enjoy paying it? No. Pay every penny? Hells yeah.

pocketkangaroo · 09-20-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

So, just wondering, what happens to the US if income taxes weren't collected?

And, if nothing bad, I'd be willing to give what's taken out for taxes from my income for a couple of years to the person who gets it so I don't have to pay taxes again. Well... I'd like to hear what would happen to the country first, if people didn't pay income tax.

They would tax businesses much more who would in turn pass the costs on to you. One way or another, you're going to end up paying for it.

pocketkangaroo · 09-20-2006, 05:20 PM

And another thing. If there was a way to get out of paying taxes, someone would be doing it. You have guys paying millions of dollars a year in taxes, and I'm sure if there was a way to legally fight it, and win, they would do it.

If you don't pay your taxes, they'll get you eventually. If you don't believe it is constitutional, take it to court, and lose like everyone who has done so before you.

Seriously people, YouTube is not the source for your tax law information.

BLish · 09-20-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple 6

hell yes.

The screener i saw last night got yanked from google video.

Makes fahrenheit 9/11 and 9/11 loose change look like sesame street

i have a Directors copy of this movie.... he came on our nationally syndicated radio show and plugged his movie and gave us all copies.... and I have watched this movie at least 3 times now.... it's sad the scam that is being pulled by the IRS on peoples Income. They are technically breaking the law.

For those of you that want a copy of my directors copy... my icq is in my sig.

woj · 09-20-2006, 05:30 PM

damn, this is a breakthrough, you found a loop hole in the tax system! and I've been paying taxes like a sucker all these years

GrannyDollars · 09-20-2006, 05:34 PM

Sounds like a good plan, let's all stop paying that bs.
You go first...

fuzebox · 09-20-2006, 05:34 PM

Man it must really suck to pay taxes.

lelahosting · 09-20-2006, 05:56 PM

this argument again...if you believe it dont pay and see what happens

Triple 6 · 09-21-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The Supreme Court only handles constitutional issues. Again, read through these cases:

Sisk v. Commissioner
Ficalora v. Commissioner
United States v. Sitka
United States v. Stahl
Brown v. Commissioner
Lysiak v. Commissioner
Miller v. United States

They are the standards for determining taxing citizens is constitutional. You can argue it all you want, but the Supreme Court has said that you are wrong. In the end, the Supreme Court has a little more say on our constitutionality of our tax laws than you do.

sure, taxing us is constitutional when we go pay for food, gas, clothing, housing, transportation, blah blah. But on the money WE earned? WTF. Thats fucking with the 13th amendment, because im involuntarily working for our goverment. Instead of them giving me money, they are taking it. lol.

Mafioso style.

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	And another thing. If there was a way to get out of paying taxes, someone would be doing it. You have guys paying millions of dollars a year in taxes, and I'm sure if there was a way to legally fight it, and win, they would do it. If you don't pay your taxes, they'll get you eventually. If you don't believe it is constitutional, take it to court, and lose like everyone who has done so before you. Seriously people, YouTube is not the source for your tax law information.

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