If Al Qaeda blew off a Nuclear or Chemical Bomb in a major US city...

[Anthony]

Would you condone the use by the United States of America of Nuclear Weapons on the countries that harbor terrorists?

As in from their own book... "An Eye for an Eye"?

[Shok]

I think we would start seeing alot of hate crime killings in the US

[TheLegacy]

terrorists are a small group and NOT the status quo of the entire country - those who are doing these assaults do not speak for the entire country and need to be stopped individually. They would want nothing more than USA to retaliate and blow up a city and get even more citizens to join their army.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Shok

I think we would start seeing alot of hate crime killings in the US

Without a doubt, and bad ones. Stories of some filipinos attacked in southern cali after 9/11 because they heard there were muslims in the PI.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

terrorists are a small group and NOT the status quo of the entire country - those who are doing this assaults do not speak for the entire country and need to be stopped individually. They would want nothing more than USA to retaliate and blow up a city and get even more citizens to join their army.

Good points old boy, have you read this?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52018

[squishypimp]

that would send the world toppling upside down...

[pradaboy]

who would they bomb? Afghanistan, just because they might have camps there? Iraq, because they might have cells there? It's not as easy IMO.

[Libertine]

The vast majority of muslims despise Al Qaeda. What exactly would be the point in nuking the enemies of your enemies?

Taking hard action against those who attack you is just good sense. Taking hard action against others if you fail to find those who attack you is plain stupidity.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Good points old boy, have you read this?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52018

That's a little disturbing but not really surprising. We have schoolkids shooting up schoolkids and American citizens shooting other citizens on a semi-regular basis. It only stands to reason that their is going to be a percentage of the population that will join a terror cell inside the US for no other reason than to blow shit up and become famous. The use of nuclear or biological weapons is only going to be a matter of time.

Something I'm not sure many people noticed in the last month was the warning from Al Queda for American's to switch to the muslim religion. ("Sheikh Osama bin Laden has completed his cycle of warnings.") THAT is something they apparently do right before a terrorist attack, because their religion says they have to offer that up to the people they intend to attack. So it wouldn't surprise me to see a major attack inside the next 12 months. I hope I'm wrong.

This isn't a war that can be won imo. It has become a way of life for everyone and will be for generations to come.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Would you condone the use by the United States of America of Nuclear Weapons on the countries that harbor terrorists?

As in from their own book... "An Eye for an Eye"?

are you really that retarded, or do you do it for the sigviews?... or is it both?

[s9ann0]

you are a fucking genius

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Good points old boy, have you read this?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52018

thank you for the read - astounds me that such hatred exists - out of that hatred there will be Americans (or anyone for that matter) that will join any group just for the chance to act out and kill - doesn't matter what cause - or twisted version of a cause - just so that they can see destruction.

Here I see teen kids in Toronto who in order to join a gang are handed guns - they walk or drive them around with the goal of shooting anyone. No sense - just blindly attack anyone including children simply to join a gang. Even those in jail have some sort of code but even that is almost gone. We have all lost our innocence and sense of right and wrong.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

are you really that retarded, or do you do it for the sigviews?... or is it both?

Sorry, didn't mean to upset your muslim sensiblities.

[Sly]

Most of the Middle Eastern Muslim countries are having their own problems with Al Qaeda, so going on a nuke spree would be pretty pointless unless there was a specific country supporting and harboring those that attacked in which they refused to cooperate. What needs to happen, and I don't understand why the Muslim community doesn't seem to get this through their heads, is the "moderate" Muslims need to stand up and speak out against those that are terrorizing the world in the name of Allah. The extremists are making a total mockery of the Islam religion and the Muslims are too concerned about "speaking out" against their "brothers" that they won't do anything about it.

The Pope and other Christian Clerics speak out against Christian terrorists. Where are the Imams?

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Good points old boy, have you read this?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52018

thank you for the read - astounds me that such hatred exists - out of that hatred there will be Americans (or anyone for that matter) that will join any group just for the chance to act out and kill - doesn't matter what cause - or twisted version of a cause - just so that they can see destruction.

Here I see teen kids in Toronto who in order to join a gang are handed guns - they walk or drive them around with the goal of shooting anyone. No sense - just blindly attack anyone including children simply to join a gang. Even those in jail have some sort of code but even that is almost gone. We have all lost our innocence and sense of right and wrong.

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Good points old boy, have you read this?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52018

thank you for the read - astounds me that such hatred exists - out of that hatred there will be Americans (or anyone for that matter) that will join any group just for the chance to act out and kill - doesn't matter what cause - or twisted version of a cause - just so that they can see destruction.

Here I see teen kids in Toronto who in order to join a gang are handed guns - they walk or drive them around with the goal of shooting anyone. No sense - just blindly attack anyone including children simply to join a gang. Even those in jail have some sort of code but even that is almost gone. We have all lost our innocence and sense of right and wrong.

[OldJeff]

There would be no choice - 90% of the Middle east would cease to exist.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

are you really that retarded, or do you do it for the sigviews?... or is it both?

How did your muslim cartoon go for you?

[iAlieni]

None of the above.

I would make a movie about it.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

are you really that retarded, or do you do it for the sigviews?... or is it both?

Sorry, didn't mean to upset your muslim sensiblities.

[SmokeyTheBear]

if your neighbour fucked your dog , would you fuck his dog as payback ?

[Sly]

Most of the Middle Eastern Muslim countries are having their own problems with Al Qaeda, so going on a nuke spree would be pretty pointless unless there was a specific country supporting and harboring those that attacked in which they refused to cooperate. What needs to happen, and I don't understand why the Muslim community doesn't seem to get this through their heads, is the "moderate" Muslims need to stand up and speak out against those that are terrorizing the world in the name of Allah. The extremists are making a total mockery of the Islam religion and the Muslims are too concerned about "speaking out" against their "brothers" that they won't do anything about it.

The Pope and other Christian Clerics speak out against Christian terrorists. Where are the Imams?

[tony286]

first off they would probably bring martial law here, which would be more painful than the bombing. We should get off the oil tit and get out of that whole area, they want to kill each other have a ball.

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

terrorists are a small group and NOT the status quo of the entire country - those who are doing these assaults do not speak for the entire country and need to be stopped individually. They would want nothing more than USA to retaliate and blow up a city and get even more citizens to join their army.

Apparently you either have never been to Saudi Arabia or Iran or you are from one of those countries and are trying to blow smoke.

The Kuran states that Islam shall be spread by the sword. If you do not convert you can pay a higher tax and never attain a higher status in society. If the clerics in Iran said, "Kill the Christians in all of the world!" Being a Muslim you would have to do so or face death yourself.

The Koran has 7 different interpretations and 2 variations on those interpretations. None is allowed to be considered better than any other one. Which is why the Taliban got its ass kicked and was ultimately not supported by Islam as a whole. They said their version was THE word of God and all others were not. Bad move...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if your neighbour fucked your dog , would you fuck his dog as payback ?

Wrong analogy.

If your neighbour took your lawn mower and killed your dog with it, would you kill his dog with an .50 cal rifle?

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if your neighbour fucked your dog , would you fuck his dog as payback ?

What kind of dog are we talking about?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

What kind of dog are we talking about?

I think that's Smokey is referring to as significant other.

[bl4h]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30921363959855

we should teach them muslims a lesson or two

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Apparently you either have never been to Saudi Arabia or Iran or you are from one of those countries and are trying to blow smoke.

The Kuran states that Islam shall be spread by the sword. If you do not convert you can pay a higher tax and never attain a higher status in society. If the clerics in Iran said, "Kill the Christians in all of the world!" Being a Muslim you would have to do so or face death yourself.

The Koran has 7 different interpretations and 2 variations on those interpretations. None is allowed to be considered better than any other one. Which is why the Taliban got its ass kicked and was ultimately not supported by Islam as a whole. They said their version was THE word of God and all others were not. Bad move...

no I havent - but my father worked in saudi arabia for 8 years (my mother stayed with him) and travelled the world. I still stand by what i said.

Even the Iraq people are being threatened by their own since these terrorist/religious cells are smaller and in competition - so they find another group then threaten the hell out of them until they join up. The war is also internal as well. Living in brampton it is filled with citizens that were from overseas who had no problem explaining to me the feelings and atmosphere of how they treat one another.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

How did your muslim cartoon go for you?

I stopped the project when they burned two of our embassy's down in the middle east. Didnt want to risk getting my house, family or other people involved. There are people living on the second floor of my office building - I didn't want to see them burn.

I still think the project could have been fun, and could generate a huge amount of traffic - but sometimes its just not worth the risk

[rodney25]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if your neighbour fucked your dog , would you fuck his dog as payback ?

Nope. I'd rather let my dog fuck my neighbour instead..

[Blingbaby]

There is no spoon..

[cess]

Originally Posted by Blingbaby

There is no spoon..

I'm pretty sure you aren't suppose to tell everyone that though.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony404

first off they would probably bring martial law here, which would be more painful than the bombing. We should get off the oil tit and get out of that whole area, they want to kill each other have a ball.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

Here is a list of where we get our oil.

Saudi Arabia, a huge ally, comes in third. Iraq comes in seventh. Kuwait comes in thirteenth. With those figures and the fact that several new reserves and new technology, I think its fair to say that Middle Eastern "oil tit" isn't needed as much as people think it is.

[notabook]

Yeah, nuke all of the INNOCENT CIVILIANS of a country who didn't do shit. That's a real winner right there.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Wrong analogy.

If your neighbour took your lawn mower and killed your dog with it, would you kill his dog with an .50 cal rifle?

I'm sorry but that isn't a very good analogy either.

Here you go: if your neighbor let his dog run free and said dog attacked your children yet your neighbor did nothing about his dog, would you stand there and watch or would you do something yourself about the dog?

[Tempest]

More people need to seriously think about what they would expect their leaders to do in this case because it's coming and coming soon. The US people need to figure out ahead of time how far they're willing to go before it happens and they're blinded by anger.

Osama has the approval of the religious nuts to kill up to 10 million americans and he has warned the US on several occasions including "inviting" them to convert.... In other words.. He has done all the things reguired in Islam before attacking the enemy and so it's just a matter of time now.

[TheJimmy]

I understand the sentiment and although it would be VERY easy to vote for item #1, I would rather take that money and energy and spend it on intell and and special ops troops to deal more directly and aggressively with the remaining terrorist organizations.

A nuc seems a bit of a waste of money, lives, and not nearly as effective as the Nagasaki/Hiroshima events. That was a state vs. state war........this is not that.

However, in the scenario you're talking about, taking some restrictions off how our intell and spec ops troop operate and give them a more 'open ticket' to do what they need to I'd be more apt to support.

We're not there, but one day I suspect it'll happen. The more we talk about it, the more we think about it, the more we stay and piss off the middle east, the more TV and news talk about it, the more it seems to become an inevitable reality. :/ I don't think nearly enough 'peace making' has been done or covered to counterbalance things.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

We're not there, but one day I suspect it'll happen. The more we talk about it, the more we think about it, the more we stay and piss off the middle east, the more TV and news talk about it, the more it seems to become an inevitable reality. :/ I don't think nearly enough 'peace making' has been done or covered to counterbalance things.

To spin off of this topic, do you think "peace making" can actually be done? I personally don't believe terrorists will ever settle for peace.

I want to bring up Hamas for a second. Not exactly a terrorist group as brought up in this thread, but definitely a group of concern. Since elected into office, the worldwide blockades on Hamas has crippled the Palestinians. Just now after 6 months of having no money to pay its government employees, they have sought out a deal with Fatah because they had no other choice. They are now being requested to recognize Israel, stop attacks, and honor all past peace agreements and they'll basically get open rights to the international community once again. They refuse. They don't want anything to do with those 3 points, even if it means getting back money. And this isn't even a huge extremist group.

How do you deal with radicals?

[CyberHustler]

this shit is so fucking stupid

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by Sly

To spin off of this topic, do you think "peace making" can actually be done? I personally don't believe terrorists will ever settle for peace.

...

How do you deal with radicals?

Terrorists won't...

Two big things that have to happen in this 'peace making' area.

One, take away as many possible reasons for them to hate us (that are reasonable), and two, bombard them with reasons to like us or at least the repetitive message that we should be. We have an uphill battle in this area but it has to get done.

Basically we need a uber diplomatic face and positive media onslaught with some more 'non state' war waging behind the scenes to only kill those too insane to deal with and the ones that would fill their shoes.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

I stopped the project when they burned two of our embassy's down in the middle east. Didnt want to risk getting my house, family or other people involved. There are people living on the second floor of my office building - I didn't want to see them burn.

I still think the project could have been fun, and could generate a huge amount of traffic - but sometimes its just not worth the risk

So the terror stopped you from doing it eh?

[Phoenix]

can they not detect radiation from a nuclear bomb?
i mean long before it goes off it still emits?

maybe im wrong but i think theyd show up as a bright blinking x if they brought something in

[psili]

Originally Posted by Sly

What needs to happen, and I don't understand why the Muslim community doesn't seem to get this through their heads, is the "moderate" Muslims need to stand up and speak out against those that are terrorizing the world in the name of Allah. The extremists are making a total mockery of the Islam religion and the Muslims are too concerned about "speaking out" against their "brothers" that they won't do anything about it.

Great point.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

can they not detect radiation from a nuclear bomb?
i mean long before it goes off it still emits?

maybe im wrong but i think theyd show up as a bright blinking x if they brought something in

Every container that comes through is not scanned for radiation. At this point it just isn't possible. It would grind the economy to a standstill. The Port Authority and Department of Homeland Security, plus Congress, have been trying to find a practical solution for a while now.

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by notabook

Yeah, nuke all of the INNOCENT CIVILIANS of a country who didn't do shit. That's a real winner right there.

It's crazy... how many times have we seen posted here, "nuke em all" or "turn the entire middle east into a glass parking lot"? Some people have no comprehension of what could be actually done before the retailiations wiped out more than they would think acceptable in return

[GregE]

Think about this for a minute, we're talking about the deaths of tens of millions followed by similar death tolls with each subsequent incident; we'd have no choice but to strike back in kind, even if somewhat blindly. Our only other option would be to simply roll over and die.

The reason the cold war never turned hot is because all the players were fully aware that such an outcome would result in the total extinction of human life within their own borders.

The governments in the middle east need to understand that those rules have not changed and that it would therefore be in their own best interests to ensure that none of their citizens precipitate WWIII.


It's my guess that in the long run the world has a slightly better than even chance of avoiding such a fate.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Wrong analogy.

If your neighbour took your lawn mower and killed your dog with it, would you kill his dog with an .50 cal rifle?

It wasnt an analogy it was a question..

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Osama has the approval of the religious nuts to kill up to 10 million americans

They do not have the ability to kill that many. It's not like they can obtain a 20 megaton nuke. Some say that a rogue nation may give them a smaller one, but I disagree. Such a nation would be just as guilty of bombing us. Even if we got hit with a 1 kiloton or less, you would see retaliation on a level this planet has never seen before. Not even "crazy Islamic facists" are that dumb.

[Fizzgig]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if your neighbour fucked your dog , would you fuck his dog as payback ?

That's a very strange way of looking at it. If my neighbour fucked my dog I would ask him to do it again so I could get it on video.