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Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Lars has money to burn in November!

Yes I do and our affilaites are going to be extra happy with their fat checks just in time for the holidays !! 10 years of paying out fat fat cash to thousands of affialites.

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

Then what is it exactly you are doing with Zango?

Buying pop up ads.

OG LennyT · 10-25-2006, 08:59 AM

So if I'm reading correctly, Lars is using a 'hes doing it so I can too' defense?

interesting.... I guess he missed class the day they went over business ethics.

carry on sheep.. baaaaaaahhhhh

Pleasurepays · 10-25-2006, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We are not stealing anything from anyone. I think you have been turned into a sheep.

thats interesting. you didn't take the time to refute any of the posts about this. you didn't take the time to even address the concerns of webmasters sending you traffic... you just call people "sheep" and are now pointing the finger at others which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what happens when YOU buy scumware traffic and affiliates do not get credited for the sale that THEY worked hard to generate and YOU do.

maybe there is just a lot of confusion on the issue.

you can take the time to enlighten everyone and explain the process of how an user infected with zango finds cams.com or AFF?

explain the popups

we'll wait.

obviously no one gets it. you are partly to blame for that because you didn't explain it.

obviously you would want to be the one to explain it to clear the air. i mean you haven't done this yet in the 2 weeks that you have had to do so, so you must be really desperate and anxious at this point to sit down and explain how totally ethical it is.

the adult webmaster world is listening.....

Evil1 · 10-25-2006, 09:03 AM

This thread is funny as hell

Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, send more traffic
Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, we're rasing payouts
Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, netflix does it too, send more traffic, did I mention i have a lot of money?

and on and on and on.

mortenb · 10-25-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Buying pop up ads.

So if I send traffic from one of my sites to some cam or dating site and the words in the url of the site I'm sending to fit your target keywords, you should be allowed to pop an ad over the site I have sent the surfer to and have the first go at converting that surfer?

It seems to me, and and lot of other people that I have talked to on this board, that we as affiliates should be allowed to control the traffic we have worked so hard to get and not have it stolen away by someone using browser hijacking.

Ross · 10-25-2006, 09:07 AM

Lars do you own AFF 100%?

polish_aristocrat · 10-25-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil1

Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, send more traffic

lol, this is funny

BlackCrayon · 10-25-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Buying pop up ads.

if those ads are popping on anyone elses pages but your own, thats stealing sales from affiliates.

mortenb · 10-25-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if those ads are popping on anyone elses pages but your own, thats stealing sales from affiliates.

I still is if the affiliate sent the traffic to one of the AFF sites and AFF pops an ad over the window containing the affiliate ID.

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if those ads are popping on anyone elses pages but your own, thats stealing sales from affiliates.

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

I still is if the affiliate sent the traffic to one of the AFF sites and AFF pops an ad over the window containing the affiliate ID.

We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.

BlackCrayon · 10-25-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

if only it were that simple. unlike any other pop up add, these ones are not coming from the web site. that is the big difference. its a third party making these pop ups appear, hense the website the surfer is visiting gets nothing from it, and in fact often loses because of it. now surely you can see the difference.

as for uninstalling, i bet 80% of the time surfers think these pop up ads are coming from the websites. do you really think most know that installing these toolbars will do such things? maybe 20% do but most im sure downloaded them in the first place to get something from some misleading website. not because they wanted a stupid toolbar that they could get from google or msn without any pop ups.

Lazonby · 10-25-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

Your post makes no sense at all in the context of sales being stolen from affiliates.

Do you have a trained monkey posting for you today?

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if only it were that simple. unlike any other pop up add, these ones are not coming from the web site. that is the big difference. its a third party making these pop ups appear, hense the website the surfer is visiting gets nothing from it, and in fact often loses because of it. now surely you can see the difference.

as for uninstalling, i bet 80% of the time surfers think these pop up ads are coming from the websites. do you really think most know that installing these toolbars will do such things? maybe 20% do but most im sure downloaded them in the first place to get something from some misleading website. not because they wanted a stupid toolbar that they could get from google or msn without any pop ups.

Have you ever installed this software ?

They pop a popup occasionally that says hey this is what it is and if youw ant to remove it here are the things for you to do. I dont know how much more clear it can be than that plus every pop up has a bar under it stateing clearly where it is from.

Pleasurepays · 10-25-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH!

ok... lets see if we are getting this straight.

1 - hardworking webmaster creates and builds site
2 - hardworking webmaster starts generating traffic
3 - hardworking webmaster sees "105.00 per join", thinks cams.com is great. Lars is wonderful and wants to send the highly ethical Lars traffic
4 - surfers go to webmasters site
5 - surfer has zago installed on his computer
6 - because of the site text/domain and other variables popup windows open on surfers computer
7 - hardworking webmasters affiliate code is not in those popups.
8 - sale goes to cams.com, sexsearch or whoever and webmaster gets no credit for it.
9 - Lars says "its not our fault that the sufer clicked the ad... whats the problem? he had a choice to ignore the ad.. but didn't, which absolves us of any responsibility for what you might percieve as unethical and stealing on our part"

Violetta · 10-25-2006, 09:26 AM

question authorities, think for yourself

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

Your post makes no sense at all in the context of sales being stolen from affiliates.

Do you have a trained monkey posting for you today?

Right because we are not taking anything from our affilaites.

But we are paying them more mooney than anyone else.

mortenb · 10-25-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.

How nice of you to only steal from other sites and their affiliates.

It doesn't really make that much of a difference that you use URL tracking. If your window is on top, then it is very likely that your window will be the one making the sale.

Juicy D. Links · 10-25-2006, 09:28 AM

bahhhhhhhh bahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

swedguy · 10-25-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

One of the problems is that the surfer does not know that it's Zango that pops the windows. Thus they do not know what to uninstall to get rid of the problem.

mrkris · 10-25-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Right because we are not taking anything from our affilaites.

But we are paying them more mooney than anyone else.

I've tried to stay out of this thread. If you don't like the deal with AFF, then don't send them traffic, that simple. Lars, quit repeating "$105PPS", we get it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH!

ok... lets see if we are getting this straight.

1 - hardworking webmaster creates and builds site
2 - hardworking webmaster starts generating traffic
3 - hardworking webmaster sees "105.00 per join", thinks cams.com is great. Lars is wonderful and wants to send the highly ethical Lars traffic
4 - surfers go to webmasters site
5 - surfer has zago installed on his computer
6 - because of the site text/domain and other variables popup windows open on surfers computer
7 - hardworking webmasters affiliate code is not in those popups.
8 - sale goes to cams.com, sexsearch or whoever and webmaster gets no credit for it.
9 - Lars says "its not our fault that the sufer clicked the ad... whats the problem? he had a choice to ignore the ad.. but didn't, which absolves us of any responsibility for what you might percieve as unethical and stealing on our part"

See this is just wrong. the surfer has 2 windows open he can close the pop up and continue on and join the site and the affialite gets full credit, or the surfer can subscribe to both sites. Oh and we are talking about one half of 1% of traffic. As long as I raise payouts more than one half of 1 % then the affialite is making more money overall. Oh and look I raise payouts all the time.

So the end result is Our affilaites are making more money than anyone else and you cant stand it.

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

One of the problems is that the surfer does not know that it's Zango that pops the windows. Thus they do not know what to uninstall to get rid of the problem.

hahaha really every pop up says Zango on it. very clear and in your face you would ahve to be a total moron not to notice this ad brought to you by zango.

BlackCrayon · 10-25-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Have you ever installed this software ?

They pop a popup occasionally that says hey this is what it is and if youw ant to remove it here are the things for you to do. I dont know how much more clear it can be than that plus every pop up has a bar under it stateing clearly where it is from.

no i haven't installed it but before i got a firewall installed on my pc many times without any consent had adware installed on my pc just by visiting sites and sure enough AFF was one that popped up among others. this was a few years ago but there was nothing saying where it came from or how to get rid of it. apparently things have changed due to the threatening legal landscape BUT>>>

no matter how clear it might be..why do you think its ok to use others content as a means for advertising over top of their own advertising?

Juicy D. Links · 10-25-2006, 09:35 AM

Lars you sending any of the twinks to NY for Ad Tech? I miss em

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Lars you sending any of the twinks to NY for Ad Tech? I miss em

Of course

wet ready and LUBED up for ya

Juicy D. Links · 10-25-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Of course

wet ready and LUBED up for ya

my ass is gonna be sore again

Klen · 10-25-2006, 09:40 AM

Hmm somehow in latest time a lot of negative things about aff.But i heard negative thing even before.There is one site where they say something about fraud from aff but cant reccall what they saying exactly.

Lazonby · 10-25-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Right because we are not taking anything from our affilaites.

But we are paying them more mooney than anyone else.

You're a bare-faced liar. And your post I quoted actually blames this all on the surfer. After all, if the surfer didn't click the popup then no-one's sales would be stolen.

ATTENTION GFY - LEGENDARY LARS IS CALLING YOU ALL C*NTS

It reminds me of the Chinpokomon episode from South Park in which the Japanese Emporer distracts attention from his plans to destroy the US by mentioning how large is the American penis.

Fast forward to 2 minutes exactly

Juicy D. Links · 10-25-2006, 09:40 AM

Rule #1

DO NOT snap pictures as we drive by the UNITED NATIONS lolllll

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

no i haven't installed it but before i got a firewall installed on my pc many times without any consent had adware installed on my pc just by visiting sites and sure enough AFF was one that popped up among others. this was a few years ago but there was nothing saying where it came from or how to get rid of it. apparently things have changed due to the threatening legal landscape BUT>>>

no matter how clear it might be..why do you think its ok to use others content as a means for advertising over top of their own advertising?

you mean like how when I send email to my customers and they are using a service like google email that insterts my competions links right into my email the one that I have a relationship with ? I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. The surfer has downloaded and accepted to get ads for use of software, you and I might think why would someone do that, I would not do that. Well I would not buy porn on the internet but I sure am glad somebody does.

Pleasurepays · 10-25-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

See this is just wrong. the surfer has 2 windows open he can close the pop up and continue on and join the site and the affialite gets full credit, or the surfer can subscribe to both sites. Oh and we are talking about one half of 1% of traffic.

ok,... let me get this straight... window pops up on surfer, he doesn't close it... he clicks a link, joins the site from the popup and the webmaster who sent that surfer to YOU gets zero credit for the sale correct?

wrong?

ohh... its a small % of traffic which makes stealing totally acceptable.

Sean · 10-25-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Lars you sending any of the twinks to NY for Ad Tech? I miss em

sagi, fred, and sarah will be there

Xenophage · 10-25-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

It reminds me of the Chinpokomon episode from South Park in which the Japanese Emporer distracts attention from his plans to destroy the US by mentioning how large is the American penis.

Fast forward to 2 minutes exactly

hahhahahahah that episode was so funny just emtioning it makes me laugh so hard.

lucky1 · 10-25-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

I disagree just like any pop up the surfer can choose to ignore the pop up and continue on surfing where he was at. And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

Yea just simply uninstall this fine program.

http://adwaresucks.com/zango/

Lazonby · 10-25-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Rule #1

DO NOT snap pictures as we drive by the UNITED NATIONS lolllll

I don't think you've managed to divert the course of the thread. Your PR skills ain't what they used to be.

Lazonby · 10-25-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

hahhahahahah that episode was so funny just emtioning it makes me laugh so hard.

This is funnier:

ATTENTION GFY - LEGENDARY LARS IS CALLING YOU ALL C*NTS

mrkris · 10-25-2006, 09:52 AM

You can call it "freedom of choice" all you want, but if your affiliate hadn't sent that person, you wouldn't have made a sale. Also, most of the people using Zango are idiots and have no idea what it is, what it does or how to remove it. Have you ever done tech support for a company? I have, and even the simplest things people don't understand.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-25-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

You're a bare-faced liar. And your post I quoted actually blames this all on the surfer. After all, if the surfer didn't click the popup then no-one's sales would be stolen.

ATTENTION GFY - LEGENDARY LARS IS CALLING YOU ALL C*NTS

It reminds me of the Chinpokomon episode from South Park in which the Japanese Emporer distracts attention from his plans to destroy the US by mentioning how large is the American penis.

Fast forward to 2 minutes exactly

What part of this don't you get?

Quote:

We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.

I have highlighted the important bits for you.....

lucky1 · 10-25-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Oh and we are talking about one half of 1% of traffic. As long as I raise payouts more than one half of 1 % then the affialite is making more money overall. Oh and look I raise payouts all the time.

So the end result is Our affilaites are making more money than anyone else and you cant stand it.

If the "popup traffic" that you purchase from zango and whatever other "adware" programs is so minimal why not just drop it and make your affiliates happy? With all the zango drama right now if AFF took a stance against zango I think it would get more recognition than another "we are raising payouts" promotion.

studiocritic · 10-25-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Oh and we are talking about one half of 1% of traffic. As long as I raise payouts more than one half of 1 % then the affialite is making more money overall.

Check your math.

0.5% of traffic doesn't equal a 0.5% increase in payouts.

Quickdraw · 10-25-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.

Unless you have changed your practices within the last couple weeks, that is not true.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-25-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Unless you have changed your practices within the last couple weeks, that is not true.

As far as I remember the story from the other thread it was an affiliate who was doing this and he has been canned.

BlackCrayon · 10-25-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

you mean like how when I send email to my customers and they are using a service like google email that insterts my competions links right into my email the one that I have a relationship with ? I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. The surfer has downloaded and accepted to get ads for use of software, you and I might think why would someone do that, I would not do that. Well I would not buy porn on the internet but I sure am glad somebody does.

with free email providers you get the benefit of being able to send and recieve emails without any cost to you. what benefit do the people who install the zango toolbar get?

the surfer has agreed sure, and thats why people can get away with it but you know damn well people don't read terms, be it surfers or webmasters signing up to a program. like i said, i haven't installed these things but i have been promted to many times, by many other companies than just zango and the yes/no panel looks just like it would when agreeing to download flash or a codec.

SpeakEasy · 10-25-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

really Where Exactly Did I Lie ?

Or are you just anoher shill gfy account who is someone witha personal axe to grind and find this an easy bandwagon to jump aboard ?

By the way your profile says Myspace in it did you know that the biggest installer of adware is Myspace. This is where the Think people Think comes in to play. if you do not like Adware you must stop using Google and Yahoo and myspace, plus Cingular phones and dell computers and netflix, because they all advertise on adware.

The MySpace under my name does not refer to the myspace site at all, it means I live in my space of the world. As far a shill goes I've had this name since the conception of gfy and it has a very clear meaning www.speakeasy.net/speedtest <<<Pretty cool tool if you want to take a test drive

Now as far as an axe to grind, I beg to differ. I don't do any biz with you nor would I ever, you have openly admitted to being a cheat and a thief yet you are in denial to yourself. You also tell people that you will pay them more than any other sponsor, yet at the same time you are screwing all your affiliates out of their hard earned work and money. It is simply amazing that there are still some sheep that will follow you through the fields of deception, which means your unethical business practices and pure spewed bull shit is somewhat believable to a few sheep. Oh well continue with your charades, what goes around, comes around in the end.

fuzebox · 10-25-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

And if the surfer really does not want any more pop ups they simply uninstall the adware and the pops ups are gone.

Wow, just wow. If you insulting all your affiliates earlier wasn't bad enough, this one takes the cake.

u-Bob · 10-25-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

We do not pop the same site over the same site

So you only use spyware/adware to steal traffic from other dating sites?

Damian_Maxcash · 10-25-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

So you only use spyware/adware to steal traffic from other dating sites?

If AFF want to stay on top - which of course benefits everyone - then they need a level playing field.....

Why should there be one rule for AFF and one for the other programs?

studiocritic · 10-25-2006, 10:34 AM

best backfiring thread. ever.

10-25-2006, 08:59 AM	#53
OG LennyT Wall Street Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 14,345	So if I'm reading correctly, Lars is using a 'hes doing it so I can too' defense? interesting.... I guess he missed class the day they went over business ethics. carry on sheep.. baaaaaaahhhhh __________________ Tradeking - my online broker \| 4.95 a trade \| make real $$

10-25-2006, 09:03 AM	#55
Evil1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,893	This thread is funny as hell Affilates: you are ripping us off Sponsor: So what, send more traffic Affilates: you are ripping us off Sponsor: So what, we're rasing payouts Affilates: you are ripping us off Sponsor: So what, netflix does it too, send more traffic, did I mention i have a lot of money? and on and on and on. __________________

10-25-2006, 09:26 AM	#67
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10-25-2006, 09:52 AM	#89
mrkris Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,737	You can call it "freedom of choice" all you want, but if your affiliate hadn't sent that person, you wouldn't have made a sale. Also, most of the people using Zango are idiots and have no idea what it is, what it does or how to remove it. Have you ever done tech support for a company? I have, and even the simplest things people don't understand. __________________ PHP-MySQL-Rails \| ICQ: 342500546

10-25-2006, 10:34 AM	#100
studiocritic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 2,442	best backfiring thread. ever. __________________ 254342256

10-25-2006, 09:07 AM	#57
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	Lars do you own AFF 100%?

10-25-2006, 09:28 AM	#70
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	bahhhhhhhh bahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

10-25-2006, 09:35 AM	#76
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Lars you sending any of the twinks to NY for Ad Tech? I miss em

10-25-2006, 09:40 AM	#79
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Hmm somehow in latest time a lot of negative things about aff.But i heard negative thing even before.There is one site where they say something about fraud from aff but cant reccall what they saying exactly.