Swiss bank accounts / Micheloud & Cie

[pimplink]

Micheloud & Cie (http://www.swiss-bank-accounts.com) claim to open Swiss bank accounts for a commission, lowering the minimum deposit and account balance required.

Has anyone worked with them? Does anybody happen to know exactly what banks they're working with? Thanks in advance!

[pimplink]

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[wdsguy]

I can open a nigerian bank acct for you.

[wedouglas]

Why do you want a swiss bank account? Just so you know, swiss bank accounts are just normal bank accounts. Nothing exclusive about them. They aren't something that is hard to get.

Now, if you want a numbered account, from what I've read, you better be dropping millions in it. They won't go through the trouble to get a numbered account for small people.

[abdulzabak]

generally these guys charge you few hunderds $$$ for something you can do yourself for free.
It's no problem to open up swiss bank account by mail at no costs.
For example here postfinance.ch/?nls=en

Dont pay these thiefs.

[woj]

Originally Posted by wdsguy

I can open a nigerian bank acct for you.

[The Shame]

Originally Posted by wdsguy

I can open a nigerian bank acct for you.

oh stop it lol

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pimplink

Micheloud & Cie (http://www.swiss-bank-accounts.com) claim to open Swiss bank accounts for a commission, lowering the minimum deposit and account balance required.

Has anyone worked with them? Does anybody happen to know exactly what banks they're working with? Thanks in advance!

Open your own bank accounts - you don't need "experts" to do that for you.

Also, seriously look at why you may need a "Swiss bank account" - it may not offer privacy to the degree you may require.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by wdsguy

I can open a nigerian bank acct for you.

now THATS funny

[Webby]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Now, if you want a numbered account, from what I've read, you better be dropping millions in it. They won't go through the trouble to get a numbered account for small people.

You read a load of shit wedouglas The days of numbered accounts in any western/offshore banking system ended decades ago.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by wdsguy

I can open a nigerian bank acct for you.

Excellent Is it true they offer interest rates at 42% even on current accounts?

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Webby

You read a load of shit wedouglas The days of numbered accounts in any western/offshore banking system ended decades ago.

Really? Had no clue.

[abdulzabak]

Originally Posted by Webby

You read a load of shit wedouglas The days of numbered accounts in any western/offshore banking system ended decades ago.

very true, main advantage of Swiss banks is, that they will not exchange data about clients with any non-Swiss regulator, tax office, government etc.

[pimplink]

Originally Posted by abdulzabak

generally these guys charge you few hunderds $$$ for something you can do yourself for free.
It's no problem to open up swiss bank account by mail at no costs.
For example here postfinance.ch/?nls=en

Dont pay these thiefs.

Postfinance only opens bank accounts for customers from neighbouring countries as far as I know.

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by abdulzabak

very true, main advantage of Swiss banks is, that they will not exchange data about clients with any non-Swiss regulator, tax office, government etc.

But if you are getting wires or getting paid, and depositing to a swiss bank account, the record of that transaction is present in two spots. So what is the point?

[Webby]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Really? Had no clue.

The last type of numbered account was an Austrian Sparbuch and not really sure, some may be still available yet using old passbooks. They were abused bigtime by Austrian nationals, tho not really suitable for abuse by folks outside Austria

Basically you had a bank passbook and a "secret code" and needed to present yourself at an Austrian bank to deposit/withdraw funds - it's not really much good for international trading.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by abdulzabak

very true, main advantage of Swiss banks is, that they will not exchange data about clients with any non-Swiss regulator, tax office, government etc.

Uhuh that explains all the formerly Nazi money they found there after the Swiss authorities informed everyone.

Get real, if you know 1% bout banking you know your statement is bs.

[faxxaff]

Much better to bank in China :-)

[FuqALot]

Anyone tried http://www.swissquote.ch ?

[kaktuz]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Why do you want a swiss bank account? Just so you know, swiss bank accounts are just normal bank accounts. Nothing exclusive about them. They aren't something that is hard to get.

Now, if you want a numbered account, from what I've read, you better be dropping millions in it. They won't go through the trouble to get a numbered account for small people.

totally agreed.

[pimplink]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

Anyone tried http://www.swissquote.ch ?

As far as I know this is 'only' a broker, processing, apart from stockmarket orders, only payments from and to one 'reference account'.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by kaktuz

totally agreed.

there are no numbered accounts anymore - I repeat - NONE.

After the FATF the Sparbuch is gone and they call it anon accounts but theyre not since the banks are obliged to keep records due to FATF rules.

I should charge you for this kinda info.

Looks like Webby is the only one who knows stuff here.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by abdulzabak

very true, main advantage of Swiss banks is, that they will not exchange data about clients with any non-Swiss regulator, tax office, government etc.

Sadly, not quite true any longer What happens is govts tell lies and a Swiss court will order the opening of an account based on the lies of a foreign govt.

The upside and good news is... Swiss courts and banks no longer trust lying foreign governments and that scenario may be improving.

The classic case was.. forget the name... a US person, where the US requested opening of his bank account in Switzerland for some relatively obscure reason. That horse never ran with the Swiss, so three months later, the US came back with a story that the guy was a drugs dealer, pedo, arms trafficking and hell knows what else - and his account was opened.

When it came to a trial in the US, the Swiss bank had representatives in court. They were astounded that no mention was ever made of drugs, pedo activity or arms trafficking

[chupachups]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

Anyone tried http://www.swissquote.ch ?

My father uses them for trading, and I believe he is happy with them.

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Webby

Sadly, not quite true any longer What happens is govts tell lies and a Swiss court will order the opening of an account based on the lies of a foreign govt.

The upside and good news is... Swiss courts and banks no longer trust lying foreign governments and that scenario may be improving.

The classic case was.. forget the name... a US person, where the US requested opening of his bank account in Switzerland for some relatively obscure reason. That horse never ran with the Swiss, so three months later, the US came back with a story that the guy was a drugs dealer, pedo, arms trafficking and hell knows what else - and his account was opened.

When it came to a trial in the US, the Swiss bank had representatives in court. They were astounded that no mention was ever made of drugs, pedo activity or arms trafficking

I always thought about that. If the gov't really wanted to see your account, they could bring you up on bullshit charges. I assume you'd be pretty big on their list for them to go through that kind of trouble though. Also, I would hope that the Swiss bank would request a lot more proof than just someone saying so.

[FuqALot]

If you want to legally not pay any taxes, you just gotta move to Monaco or something. 'All' you need is to put like 400,000 on a bankaccount in such a country and live there for a few months every year. A swiss banking account is not an option anymore.

My plan is to start doing this in 2007.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

But if you are getting wires or getting paid, and depositing to a swiss bank account, the record of that transaction is present in two spots. So what is the point?

Originally Posted by thinkx

Uhuh that explains all the formerly Nazi money they found there after the Swiss authorities informed everyone.

Get real, if you know 1% bout banking you know your statement is bs.

I think what matters here is that the Swiss Banks / Swiss Government don't share their customers info with foreign governments / tax agencies on their own.

So unless there's some strong investigation in regard to you, then noone will know that you have the swiss bank account.

If you get payments from country A, to your swiss bank account ( Switzerland = country B ) and you live in country C, then you could theoretically not pay taxes on that income and noone would ever find out...

not that it is legal of course....

[Webby]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I always thought about that. If the gov't really wanted to see your account, they could bring you up on bullshit charges. I assume you'd be pretty big on their list for them to go through that kind of trouble though. Also, I would hope that the Swiss bank would request a lot more proof than just someone saying so.

Sure.. and yes, the US govt did want him for some domestic tax offenses - and he was convicted for this in the US.

The banks won't really do much, application needs to be made to Swiss courts and evidence produced. Production of the evidence can be any alleged govt officer lying his head off and producing false paperwork - who is gonna bother once he leaves Switzerland? The most would be a complaint to the US embassy in Switzerland - oops, sorry, we made a mistake

[MaddCaz]

wow thsi chick is gettings erious bump!

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

If you want to legally not pay any taxes, you just gotta move to Monaco or something. 'All' you need is to put like 400,000 on a bankaccount in such a country and live there for a few months every year. A swiss banking account is not an option anymore.

My plan is to start doing this in 2007.

That doesn't fly if you are a US citizen, especially if you are getting paid by US companies. As a US citizen, you are taxed on global income. I was reading about tax laws in Monaco, but I don't think it was as easy as it seemed. It may be different if you are incorporated there though. I'm sure there are loop holes to help, but I highly doubt you can get away without paying any taxes.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

If you want to legally not pay any taxes, you just gotta move to Monaco or something. 'All' you need is to put like 400,000 on a bankaccount in such a country and live there for a few months every year. A swiss banking account is not an option anymore.

My plan is to start doing this in 2007.

You like Monaco for some reason FuqALot?

You can move to any low or no-tax area and do exactly the same thing. There are a few to chose from along with banks (with privacy) to hold your money.

Example.. you can form an IBC in several Caribbean countries and bank wherever and the IBC entitles you, as an employee of your corp, to live there, tax free.

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

That doesn't fly if you are a US citizen, especially if you are getting paid by US companies. As a US citizen, you are taxed on global income. I was reading about tax laws in Monaco, but I don't think it was as easy as it seemed. It may be different if you are incorporated there though. I'm sure there are loop holes to help, but I highly doubt you can get away without paying any taxes.

If I knew all about it yet, I would be there already. Right now I'm just trying to learn as much as possible, and get this going next year.

All I know is that I am not getting paid by US companies, and won't be moving to Monaco as a US-citizen. So what you mentioned won't be a problem. As far as I know, all I have to do is to make an initial bank deposit and stay there for 5-6 months a year. Fine with me ;-)

[Webby]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

That doesn't fly if you are a US citizen, especially if you are getting paid by US companies. As a US citizen, you are taxed on global income.

100% correct wedouglas - it's hard to get out of that legally and to keep it strictly legal, may involve relinquishing US citizenship and possibly taking up citizenship of Canada or any EU country (to max any benefits on a passport).

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by Webby

You like Monaco for some reason FuqALot?

You can move to any low or no-tax area and do exactly the same thing. There are a few to chose from along with banks (with privacy) to hold your money.

Example.. you can form an IBC in several Caribbean countries and bank wherever and the IBC entitles you, as an employee of your corp, to live there, tax free.

Yeah, I havent really looked into other countries yet.

I've been to Monaco a few times and I like it.. I'm not really interested in moving all my stuff to some corrupt country (with all respect) - because I want some quality living too - otherwise its just not worth it.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

Yeah, I havent really looked into other countries yet.

I've been to Monaco a few times and I like it.. I'm not really interested in moving all my stuff to some corrupt country (with all respect) - because I want some quality living too - otherwise its just not worth it.

Only my - Monaco alone is kinda restrictive and a posers paradise - being forced to live there 6 months/year is a numbing thought

Seriously suggest you have a good look all over. There are many really nice places for lifestyle which offer a no-tax scenario. There is also no reason why banking "must" be in any one location.

PS.. They are all corrupt countries - have you ever found a country which is not corrupt, - including Monaco?

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by Webby

Only my - Monaco alone is kinda restrictive and a posers paradise - being forced to live there 6 months/year is a numbing thought

I know, but it's not like I will be there for 6 months a year ;-). I highly doubt they will be knocking on my door every morning. And when they do, I will just make sure I have the daily grocery receipts at hand.

Next thing for me to do is to hit up some accountants/advisers over there.

[wedouglas]

Ahhh, the joys of trying to get out of paying taxes

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

If I knew all about it yet, I would be there already. Right now I'm just trying to learn as much as possible, and get this going next year.

All I know is that I am not getting paid by US companies, and won't be moving to Monaco as a US-citizen. So what you mentioned won't be a problem. As far as I know, all I have to do is to make an initial bank deposit and stay there for 5-6 months a year. Fine with me ;-)

Perhaps im prying, but are you a non-citizen living in the US right now? I thought you lived in the US. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

[Theo]

monaco does have personal tax for the residents, their tax dept pretty much negotiate on per case. Now if you think you are on the same level with Stelios from easyjet (one of their last ppl that negotiated his personal tax there) move lol

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

monaco does have personal tax for the residents, their tax dept pretty much negotiate on per case. Now if you think you are on the same level with Stelios from easyjet (one of their last ppl that negotiated his personal tax there) move lol

Was wondering who thought up the idea of Monaco or what website published a feature It's not exactly the normal offshore scenario - more like, "Can you rent me a room for $25K a month" - hardly a lifestyle improvement and easier just to pay taxes.

[Crazy Carlos]

u have several account in switzerland and it is a good way to keep some cash of the radar but spending is going to be a problem for most. except me because i also have a resident in switzerland. But it is a good way to get your self some good spending money without having to pay tax or to use it to invest. i would suggest you also start a dummy company there if you ever wish to invest with the money being held there on the accounts. You have a lot of money on it and you want to use a lrage part of it i will still show up on the radar of your country and that can be difficult. having a dummy company ensures that you can spend. but you have to pay some to swiss guys. but not as much as you should pay in your own country at least not as much as in mine.

[he-fox]

thanks to everybody that posted interesting info here

[Webby]

Originally Posted by he-fox

thanks to everybody that posted interesting info here

Is that a touch of sarcasm he-fox?

You don't need any of that crap - you got more "facilities" where you are than anyone would need

[starpimps]

lol nigerian bank account, i can do you one better and tell you where my nigerian treasure chest full of money is

[he-fox]

Originally Posted by Webby

Is that a touch of sarcasm he-fox?

You don't need any of that crap - you got more "facilities" where you are than anyone would need

No, not sarcasm at all, it's a subject that I'm interested into, and the more info and opinions I get, the more I can form an objective image on the matter.

[pimplink]

bump for this thread

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by he-fox

thanks to everybody that posted interesting info here

[Why]

oh the ignorance of this thread.

1. you must spend 6+ months in monaco to 'live' there. and yes they do check on people they suspect of only using them as a tx haven, including knocking on your door.(so its rumored at least)
2. there are much better places then CH(switzerland) and monaco. if you dont know any, keep hunting.
3. call a swiss bank and ask thier requirements. i recommend UBS or CreditSuisse. their numbers are on thier websites and the person who answers will speak english. they have been heavily leaned on in recent years for allowing so many outsiders to hide money thier. its getting more difficult.
4. all USD funds transfers worldwide are to be reported to the US Fed. its thier money, they like to keep track of it. so try to use another currency whenever possible.
5. almost all countries recieving foreign aide from the US, trade bank records in one form or another, you think we give them money for free? no.

[pimplink]

Originally Posted by Why

oh the ignorance of this thread.

1. you must spend 6+ months in monaco to 'live' there. and yes they do check on people they suspect of only using them as a tx haven, including knocking on your door.(so its rumored at least)
2. there are much better places then CH(switzerland) and monaco. if you dont know any, keep hunting.
3. call a swiss bank and ask thier requirements. i recommend UBS or CreditSuisse. their numbers are on thier websites and the person who answers will speak english. they have been heavily leaned on in recent years for allowing so many outsiders to hide money thier. its getting more difficult.
4. all USD funds transfers worldwide are to be reported to the US Fed. its thier money, they like to keep track of it. so try to use another currency whenever possible.
5. almost all countries recieving foreign aide from the US, trade bank records in one form or another, you think we give them money for free? no.

Thanks for the info. I'm not an american so not totally worried about US fed knowing any details (although it's unrealistic for one to think they can actually keep up with that). Any recommendations on (non-CH) banks in countries with strong banking secrecy laws?

[ForteCash]

Concentrate on maxing out all available retirement accounts for tax-free interest!!!

Stay in the USA until you have sufficient funds to retire on and live off the interest.